I feel like I'm getting worse...

Alexrb

Semi-Pro
So I lost my video camera in the move, and just found it this past weekend. It's been 7 months since my last recording, and I set a lesson with the local pro tomorrow to work on basically everything. I realize watching feeds vs match/hitting partner play is totally different, but yesterday was my day with the wifey and was just happy to be able to hit a couple even if they were sprayed everywhere. Any thoughts or tips on below?



 

IowaGuy

Hall of Fame
So I lost my video camera in the move, and just found it this past weekend. It's been 7 months since my last recording, and I set a lesson with the local pro tomorrow to work on basically everything. I realize watching feeds vs match/hitting partner play is totally different, but yesterday was my day with the wifey and was just happy to be able to hit a couple even if they were sprayed everywhere. Any thoughts or tips on below?
1HBH topspin:

IMHO you are over-rotating, which reduces control.

Try to stay sideways more on your follow-through (keeping your left arm back more can help with this) like these guys:


 

Alexrb

Semi-Pro
1HBH topspin:

IMHO you are over-rotating, which reduces control.

Try to stay sideways more on your follow-through (keeping your left arm back more can help with this) like these guys:



I was doing that for a little while but it felt like I had nothing on it/all arm. Probably means I was doing it wrong, maybe I should film that as well. I probably just don't understand how it all flows.
 

FiReFTW

Legend
Tennis progress is not linear and you don't just keep improving day after day after day.

Heres a chart how tennis progress actually is vs how most people think it is, it was drawn by my coach once (I drew this picture now but its more or less very similar to how my coach drew it then).




The one from my coach probably had alot bigger ups and downs even.

Theres so much going on that affects tennis which is an extremely technical sport where extremely small differences make for big differences in where and how the ball goes.
Your mood, whats on your mind, your thought process, when you start missing a few it instantly affects what your thinking and your confidence, how well you slept... so many things can affect it, sometimes you can play bad for a whole week or even a month and you don't know why.

Just look at the pros, how was Djokovic so **** in the first half of 2018, then dominated in the 2nd part?

Sometimes some pros are completely out of tune for weeks or months or a whole year, then suddenly it comes back.

So you as an amateur can't possibly expect to keep improving constantly day in day out and have no downs.
 

IowaGuy

Hall of Fame
I was doing that for a little while but it felt like I had nothing on it/all arm.
Fed and Shapo definitely not arming those BH! :)

1HBH topspin is the trickiest groundstroke mechanics, IMHO. Timing/footwork is tougher than slice BH or 2HBH.
 

user92626

Legend
Man, you have to tell me your secret of getting your wife to agree to do these activities with you*. I can't get mine to comply. :)



Your tennis strokes look very decent and above typical recreational levels.

Sometimes when I feel I'm spraying I just need to do an exercise of hitting and keeping 50 balls in, usually pretty soft power and manipulative with the strokes but that's how I get my confidence and calibration.



*Rhetorical question. Don't bother to answer. :)
 

Alexrb

Semi-Pro
Fed and Shapo definitely not arming those BH! :)

1HBH topspin is the trickiest groundstroke mechanics, IMHO. Timing/footwork is tougher than slice BH or 2HBH.
Trust me, I don't think they are either. When I try to emulate them I feel like I am though. Just don't get how it all connects
 

Alexrb

Semi-Pro
Tennis progress is not linear and you don't just keep improving day after day after day.

Heres a chart how tennis progress actually is vs how most people think it is, it was drawn by my coach once (I drew this picture now but its more or less very similar to how my coach drew it then).




The one from my coach probably had alot bigger ups and downs even.

Theres so much going on that affects tennis which is an extremely technical sport where extremely small differences make for big differences in where and how the ball goes.
Your mood, whats on your mind, your thought process, when you start missing a few it instantly affects what your thinking and your confidence, how well you slept... so many things can affect it, sometimes you can play bad for a whole week or even a month and you don't know why.

Just look at the pros, how was Djokovic so **** in the first half of 2018, then dominated in the 2nd part?

Sometimes some pros are completely out of tune for weeks or months or a whole year, then suddenly it comes back.

So you as an amateur can't possibly expect to keep improving constantly day in day out and have no downs.
I get it, but still it's frustrating. I'm trying to beat a couple people who have been playing since they were a fetus, and feel like if I can limit the drastic ups and downs that I might have a chance one day. Their level is just so consistent, rarely do I see them have a day where they can't hit one of their shots. Just looking back at the last year I would take my now forehand, my year ago's backhand, my 10 months ago's second serve, my 2 months agos first serve (you get the idea). Knowing how good a shot has felt in the past but being unable to replicate it in the present is one of the most frustrating things I've experienced (which is why I'm going to get a lesson).

I love your strokes, FH and backhand from what I remember. Any thoughts on mine?
 

IowaGuy

Hall of Fame
Trust me, I don't think they are either. When I try to emulate them I feel like I am though. Just don't get how it all connects
You might need a good coach on this one.

IMHO, it's a tough shot for self-teaching. The best self-teaching progression I have seen is this one by Tomaz; check out Videos #5 and #6. IMO you're doing the "let go" part but not the "control the line/non-dominant hand" part.


 

mcs1970

Hall of Fame
Beautiful strokes. As you said casual hitting vs matches are a bit different. People do tend to hit out a lot in practices. Also as @FiReFTW said, improvement is never linear. I'd posted an youtube video on consistency a couple of weeks ago. For strokes, the coach offered an advice that I'd not heard before. I know this is almost TTPS like, but he asks to softly say the words 'Over the net and in the court' each time you hit.

It does 3 things...releases your breath and so you're not tense while hitting, makes you focus on getting the ball over the net, and reinforces to not swing so hard that you're not landing the ball in the court (of course pros and high level players can hit hard and land the ball in the court...they're a different breed).
 

Alexrb

Semi-Pro
Beautiful strokes. As you said casual hitting vs matches are a bit different. People do tend to hit out a lot in practices. Also as @FiReFTW said, improvement is never linear. I'd posted an youtube video on consistency a couple of weeks ago. For strokes, the coach offered an advice that I'd not heard before. I know this is almost TTPS like, but he asks to softly say the words 'Over the net and in the court' each time you hit.

It does 3 things...releases your breath and so you're not tense while hitting, makes you focus on getting the ball over the net, and reinforces to not swing so hard that you're not landing the ball in the court (of course pros and high level players can hit hard and land the ball in the court...they're a different breed).
I've actually been told I don't breathe enough when I hit, if I were to speak too I might keel over and die. Something else I'm trying to work on lol.
 

mcs1970

Hall of Fame
I've actually been told I don't breathe enough when I hit, if I were to speak too I might keel over and die. Something else I'm trying to work on lol.
Same here....I always hold my breath when hitting unless I am carefully monitoring. I think breath control is one of the key differences between good and very good players. Not just for hitting, but also for serves.
 

ChaelAZ

Legend
Okay, something seems a miss to me between how nice you look to be hitting the ball and how little pop and power it looks to have. Maybe it's something in the video, but balls look very short for the mechnaics and swing you are using. Have you checked strings/stringing, just out of curiosity?
 

Fxanimator1

Hall of Fame
Okay, something seems a miss to me between how nice you look to be hitting the ball and how little pop and power it looks to have. Maybe it's something in the video, but balls look very short for the mechnaics and swing you are using. Have you checked strings/stringing, just out of curiosity?
I bet part of it is the fact that he's hitting hand feeds rather than a ball coming in there at 60 mph. He's having to generate his own pace.
 

FiReFTW

Legend
I get it, but still it's frustrating. I'm trying to beat a couple people who have been playing since they were a fetus, and feel like if I can limit the drastic ups and downs that I might have a chance one day. Their level is just so consistent, rarely do I see them have a day where they can't hit one of their shots. Just looking back at the last year I would take my now forehand, my year ago's backhand, my 10 months ago's second serve, my 2 months agos first serve (you get the idea). Knowing how good a shot has felt in the past but being unable to replicate it in the present is one of the most frustrating things I've experienced (which is why I'm going to get a lesson).

I love your strokes, FH and backhand from what I remember. Any thoughts on mine?
Its good that ur getting lessons, that way you can work on technical stuff and improvements.

Im not a coach but your FH looks mostly pretty good, your backhand as someone already mention is not that bad bur ur not using ur left hand to counterbalance and ur getting rotated all around and losing any sort of balance, you should always be balanced from start to finish of the stroke.
 

Alexrb

Semi-Pro
Okay, something seems a miss to me between how nice you look to be hitting the ball and how little pop and power it looks to have. Maybe it's something in the video, but balls look very short for the mechnaics and swing you are using. Have you checked strings/stringing, just out of curiosity?
I usually drill with the loosest racket in my bag, so I probably just have sissy power. I'll post a video of match play in the next week or so to see if it looks any different.
 

NuBas

Legend
I usually drill with the loosest racket in my bag, so I probably just have sissy power. I'll post a video of match play in the next week or so to see if it looks any different.
I remember a few of your threads here and have always thought your technique is good, are you simply a rec player for fun or are you trying to achieve something?
 

NuBas

Legend
The only thing I'd recommend is you bending your legs more, you're hitting quite high same as your standing height, you should be playing lower.
 

Alexrb

Semi-Pro
I remember a few of your threads here and have always thought your technique is good, are you simply a rec player for fun or are you trying to achieve something?
Thanks, I appreciate that. I'll work on the legs, you're right I could use some sort of athletic stance leg wise.

Just a rec player that loves the sport and wants to improve. There's something addicting about playing a match where one of your shots (rarely more than one for me) clicks and just feels like you can do whatever you want with it. So I guess I'm chasing that with all my strokes, and of course I want to kick my friends ass every now and then. Like my serve has fallen off a friggin cliff recently. Both first and second feel terrible. Will probably start there in the lesson, would love to get that back.
 

NuBas

Legend
Thanks, I appreciate that. I'll work on the legs, you're right I could use some sort of athletic stance leg wise.

Just a rec player that loves the sport and wants to improve. There's something addicting about playing a match where one of your shots (rarely more than one for me) clicks and just feels like you can do whatever you want with it. So I guess I'm chasing that with all my strokes, and of course I want to kick my friends ass every now and then. Like my serve has fallen off a friggin cliff recently. Both first and second feel terrible. Will probably start there in the lesson, would love to get that back.
It could help if you tell us what you focus on with each stroke cause I personally know that there can be many things to think about but there are some things that matter more than others. This is a common issue with some players, is that they either place their attention on something that doesn't matter as much or they are thinking about too many things which delays their reaction time. The better players I play with tell me they don't really think anything at all, but that itself is a point players try to reach.
 

Alexrb

Semi-Pro
It could help if you tell us what you focus on with each stroke cause I personally know that there can be many things to think about but there are some things that matter more than others. This is a common issue with some players, is that they either place their attention on something that doesn't matter as much or they are thinking about too many things which delays their reaction time. The better players I play with tell me they don't really think anything at all, but that itself is a point players try to reach.
What I was thinking about in that video;

FH - keep grip consistent, try to keep spacing where ball isn't so close to me
BH - keep grip consistent, use legs, hit DTL when I'm able (one of the people I hit with just pins me on that side until I pass out or make an error trying to run around)
Serve - absolutely nothing, filmed because I wanted to see wtf was going on there. Figured I'd post to hopefully get thoughts

Agree, my friend Dan probably thinks about nothing. Andreas needs to remind himself to move his feet occasionally, but he still moves better than I do and he's got a good 50 lbs on me (gained weight after knee surgery).
 

ubercat

Semi-Pro
+1 for Nubas on legs. My last hitting session I was working on bending the legs more. Ball came through a lot lower and faster than I was expecting and I ended up hitting a good shot. So it's a no regret move
 

ubercat

Semi-Pro
Learning to hit good Cross Court loopers on the back hand side is the key to getting unpinned. Unless you are seriously good Loopers and good slice is pretty much what you can expect from a 1hbh
 

NuBas

Legend
Another comment I wanna make is @Alexrb do you play or practice enough in order to improve, meaning playing on a consistent basis and with what quality type of players are you playing with.

I'm watching some of your old singles matches on your channel and I don't think you are limited physically so the errors you make are so careless. A skill that some don't understand is simply getting the ball back into play, not every shot has to upset your opponent, keeping it in play is a fine strategy.

Keep the ball in play, make good contact with the ball, and up your focus.

 

Alexrb

Semi-Pro
Another comment I wanna make is @Alexrb do you play or practice enough in order to improve, meaning playing on a consistent basis and with what quality type of players are you playing with.

I'm watching some of your old singles matches on your channel and I don't think you are limited physically so the errors you make are so careless. A skill that some don't understand is simply getting the ball back into play, not every shot has to upset your opponent, keeping it in play is a fine strategy.

Keep the ball in play, make good contact with the ball, and up your focus.

I play at least three days a week, try to lift one day a week (doesn't always happen). That's a combination of matches, drilling, and just rallying. I probably won't play Dan for another week and a half due to holidays, but he's a 5.0 wall that really taught me just what you said (not every shot has to upset). I'll post a video of our next match soon, I feel like I've gotten a little more consistent than that video in 2017. Andreas is much better than George or Mike (who I've posted videos of) and is how I would love to model my game after. I'll see if I can video him and I playing a match Thursday. Some of the forehands he hits look like pro pace, and make me wonder what I'm missing to hit like it.
 

Alexrb

Semi-Pro
Learning to hit good Cross Court loopers on the back hand side is the key to getting unpinned. Unless you are seriously good Loopers and good slice is pretty much what you can expect from a 1hbh
The guy that pins me is mid 40s, can outlast any person my age endurance wise, and hit baseline OHBH loopers (and FH loopers) all day long. I need to be able to mix up the loopers DTL so I can get a FH and try to end the point. If I keep hitting cross court loopers I won't last two sets against him without expiring physically. He's never lost a set to anyone in our area that I know of. I've been up 3-0 and lost the set, I've been serving 4-4 and lost many sets, I've been bageled and breadsticked more times than I can count. He played college and still destroys his currently playing college son, who is incredible. I will beat this guy (and post my next loss for pity comments).
 
Some of the forehands he hits look like pro pace, and make me wonder what I'm missing to hit like it.
For me, I've narrowed it down to my lack of ability both mentally and physically. Based on the fact that my girlfriend would never do drills like this for me, It's looking likely that I'm also a failure sexually.

I don't quit though, so I'm going to hit a decent forehand one day!
 
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Your serve does not appear to have internal shoulder rotation (ISR) leading to impact. We have discussed going at the ball with the 'edge leading' to impact and then afterwards doing ISR and pronation as a serve technique. I'd say that you are doing that. Look at your serve at 1:05 to see this.

Have you developed that technique with an instructor?
 
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Looked at a few forehands.

Is your racket closed at impact. I think most forehand drives have the racket face closed 5 or 10 degrees at impact. Tennisspeed has very nice illustrations on this. Search: tennisspeed federer forehand pictures

Separation. You do not do much separation on the take back. Imaging a line between the two shoulders, imagine a line between the two hips. Imagine viewing from above the angle between the shoulders line and the hips line. On a high level forehand the shoulders go back farther than the hips. In addition, the hips lead the forward stroke.
Separation is mentioned and illustrated in this IFT presentation.
https://en.coaching.itftennis.com/media/114014/114014.pdf

Why. The legs working on the two hips can rotate the pelvis. Above the pelvis is the trunk especially with its obliques. The idea of separation or spine twisting is to get stretched muscles that can be used to add speed. If you have any back issues or feel any discomfort be careful is adding separation to your forehand. Djokovic has more separation than most players. He is a good example to observe separation, on TV matches works well. But his flexibility and range of motion is probably very large for most people and may stress the back.

Separation has been discussed in tennis biomechanics books.

Google: forehand "separation" pictures

Separation. I notice that the feet seem to be placed at roughly a 45 d angle to the incoming ball. Your feet seem different and to move. ? See videos of high level forehands.


https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/a-study-on-the-mechanics-of-the-forehand.570246/

Rest of forehand looks good needs side-by-side high speed video comparison to ATP forehands to see differences.
 
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One hand backhand drive.

Wawrinka, Gasquet and Justine Henin are my models for the one hand backhand drive.

They rotate the racket down using the off arm and maybe internal shoulder rotation (ISR) muscles. With the hitting arm about straight this can stretch external shoulder rotation (ESR) muscles. ESR can be used before impact to add top spin. Compare to yours.

For heavier paced drives, they also accelerate the first part of the forward stroke by pressing on the upper arm with the chest - uppermost body turns, chest presses on the upper arm to accelerate the arm and racket. Here is it important to identify the rotation axis. I believe it is the spine/neck area as the head appears to stay still and shoulder girdle turns. If the hitting arm is held down at too much angle it shortens the distance from the rotation axis to the racket head. That will reduce racket head speed. This also relates to how far down you rotate the racket head by the off arm, as discussed above. They rotate the head lower that the hand often, then the arm is higher and the racket head is farther from the rotation axis. Before impact the shoulder muscles accelerate the upper arm off the chest. See high speed videos of Justine Henin, Gasquet and Wawrinka for details of the timing and variations.

I looked at a few backhands. On the off hand you did not rotate the racket down as much. On the chest press maybe you had that. ? But you did not have the amount of shoulder turn. Check these issues by comparing to high level backhands.

Note- Federer does not appear to have the same chest press in his high level backhand drive.

F. Lopez appeared to not have any chest press - forward acceleration by the weaker shoulder muscles - and his backhand drive was not as strong as the rest of his game.

Thread with details on these backhand issues. Long thread - read post #1, post #51 and to end. Also, the posts by geca on the bring down by the off hand.
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/one-hand-backhand-waht-force-to-start-forward-swing.462997/
 
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I was doing that for a little while but it felt like I had nothing on it/all arm. Probably means I was doing it wrong, maybe I should film that as well. I probably just don't understand how it all flows.
just focus on shaping the ball...
also it's a big difference hitting a dead ball feed... vs. using the energy of an incoming 55-75 mph ball
 
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I've actually been told I don't breathe enough when I hit, if I were to speak too I might keel over and die. Something else I'm trying to work on lol.
grunting helps on contact... it's why the guys and girls do it (though the girls' grunts come out as shrieks)
tennis version of a ki-aaah.. (ie. from tae kwon do or other martial arts).
 
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So I lost my video camera in the move, and just found it this past weekend. It's been 7 months since my last recording, and I set a lesson with the local pro tomorrow to work on basically everything. I realize watching feeds vs match/hitting partner play is totally different, but yesterday was my day with the wifey and was just happy to be able to hit a couple even if they were sprayed everywhere. Any thoughts or tips on below?



IMO, you strokes are good... add movement (ie. recover to center, run around a cone, then get to the ball...) dead ball drill needs to be more dynamic for you.
 

mmk

Hall of Fame
I get it, but still it's frustrating. I'm trying to beat a couple people who have been playing since they were a fetus, and feel like if I can limit the drastic ups and downs that I might have a chance one day. Their level is just so consistent, rarely do I see them have a day where they can't hit one of their shots. Just looking back at the last year I would take my now forehand, my year ago's backhand, my 10 months ago's second serve, my 2 months agos first serve (you get the idea). Knowing how good a shot has felt in the past but being unable to replicate it in the present is one of the most frustrating things I've experienced (which is why I'm going to get a lesson).

I love your strokes, FH and backhand from what I remember. Any thoughts on mine?
Funny, most of the time I'm playing I'd take my serve from 4 games ago, my forehand from the last game, etc. My ups and downs are during a match.
 

Keendog

Semi-Pro
So I lost my video camera in the move, and just found it this past weekend. It's been 7 months since my last recording, and I set a lesson with the local pro tomorrow to work on basically everything. I realize watching feeds vs match/hitting partner play is totally different, but yesterday was my day with the wifey and was just happy to be able to hit a couple even if they were sprayed everywhere. Any thoughts or tips on below?



I have only one question: How do you get your wife to feed you tennis balls all day?? She's a keeper
 

Keendog

Semi-Pro
Yeah I think your strokes are good! Don't be so hard on yourself.

Be good to see a side on view of your BH and compare to a pro. To my untrained eye it kinda looks like down the line you hit clean and nice and early, cross court looks like you wait a bit too long, your contact point is a bit late and your shoveling it more thasn stroking it to compensate (the one at 2:04 1st vid especially). If you want to experiment try hitting the CC shot way too early on purpose and just play around with different CP's. I don't really see the over rotation thing
 

Alexrb

Semi-Pro
So update;
Instructor rescheduled Tuesday to Wednesday (yesterday). Ended up playing and beating Mike 6-2 6-3, got broken twice in the match and both were serving for the sets. He's got a strong first serve and BH slice, so was just working on getting it to his FH. We got rained out yesterday lesson wise, today is raining all day as well (what is going on FL?), and leaving to see wifey's family tomorrow for holidays. Will likely not have anything more substantial to watch until the weekend after Christmas. Happy holidays everyone and thanks for the tips.
 

Alexrb

Semi-Pro
Your serve does not appear to have internal shoulder rotation (ISR) leading to impact. We have discussed going at the ball with the 'edge leading' to impact and then afterwards doing ISR and pronation as a serve technique. I'd say that you are doing that. Look at your serve at 1:05 to see this.

Have you developed that technique with an instructor?
From your comment I'm getting that I do the same thing both wrong and right, am I misunderstanding? I pitched and played baseball until 2012, then picked up tennis shortly after. I wouldn't call it formal training, have had maybe 3 lessons. I have been lucky in that I met my now best friend post college (who was D3), he tried to show me as much as possible but he's far from a coach I've found. He's since moved to South Carolina, so I now play with his brother Andreas (who is also an excellent player).
 

Alexrb

Semi-Pro
One hand backhand drive.

Wawrinka, Gasquet and Justine Henin are my models for the one hand backhand drive.

They rotate the racket down using the off arm and maybe internal shoulder rotation (ISR) muscles. With the hitting arm about straight this can stretch external shoulder rotation (ESR) muscles. ESR can be used before impact to add top spin. Compare to yours.

For heavier paced drives, they also accelerate the first part of the forward stroke by pressing on the upper arm with the chest - uppermost body turns, chest presses on the upper arm to accelerate the arm and racket. Here is it important to identify the rotation axis. I believe it is the spine/neck area as the head appears to stay still and shoulder girdle turns. If the hitting arm is held down at too much angle it shortens the distance from the rotation axis to the racket head. That will reduce racket head speed. This also relates to how far down you rotate the racket head by the off arm, as discussed above. They rotate the head lower that the hand often, then the arm is higher and the racket head is farther from the rotation axis. Before impact the shoulder muscles accelerate the upper arm off the chest. See high speed videos of Justine Henin, Gasquet and Wawrinka for details of the timing and variations.

I looked at a few backhands. On the off hand you did not rotate the racket down as much. On the chest press maybe you had that. ? But you did not have the amount of shoulder turn. Check these issues by comparing to high level backhands.

Note- Federer does not appear to have the same chest press in his high level backhand drive.

F. Lopez appeared to not have any chest press - forward acceleration by the weaker shoulder muscles - and his backhand drive was not as strong as the rest of his game.

Thread with details on these backhand issues. Long thread - read post #1, post #51 and to end. Also, the posts by geca on the bring down by the off hand.
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/one-hand-backhand-waht-force-to-start-forward-swing.462997/
I'm going to have to look into this after work. First read through I didn't totally understand, so it may take me some time thanks.
 

Alexrb

Semi-Pro
For me, I've narrowed it down to my lack of ability both mentally and physically. Based on the fact that my girlfriend would never do drills like this for me, It's looking likely that I'm also a failure sexually.

I don't quit though, so I'm going to hit a decent forehand one day!
I have only one question: How do you get your wife to feed you tennis balls all day?? She's a keeper
Hey, I figured out how to multi-quote (aren't I tech savvy). She actually likes doing it as long as 1) It's not too hot and 2) We limit it to about an hour. I planned on feeding her a basket towards the end (which I also did but didn't record), you'll notice in the end of the first video she goes and tries to return serves and I feed her a bit. Not a WTA pro by any means, but she's a lot of fun (anyone see her fire drill in the last vid?).
 

Alexrb

Semi-Pro
IMO, you strokes are good... add movement (ie. recover to center, run around a cone, then get to the ball...) dead ball drill needs to be more dynamic for you.
Thanks, yeah I need to stop being so casual from the waist down. Footwork is definitely a weakness of mine, so being more active should help.
 

Alexrb

Semi-Pro
Yeah I think your strokes are good! Don't be so hard on yourself.

Be good to see a side on view of your BH and compare to a pro. To my untrained eye it kinda looks like down the line you hit clean and nice and early, cross court looks like you wait a bit too long, your contact point is a bit late and your shoveling it more thasn stroking it to compensate (the one at 2:04 1st vid especially). If you want to experiment try hitting the CC shot way too early on purpose and just play around with different CP's. I don't really see the over rotation thing
I've been actually focusing on my FH contact point the last couple weeks and it's helped a lot, maybe I should have been looking at them both thanks. I'll try to get a side view this weekend. Will probably be feeds again because I'll be traveling for the holidays.
 

Alexrb

Semi-Pro
So update;

Since the last video I've had a lesson, a match, and another feed session. I recorded the match with Dan (which I lost 2-6 2-6), but to be honest I played worse than some of the matches against him I've been bagelled so I'd rather give myself one more. Playing him Tuesday, so hopefully that one won't be too horrible to watch.

Lesson wise, we focused mostly on backhand. Take-away notes;
-Don't open up too much on BH
-Drag left foot on BH side (because I have a tendency to want to lean backwards)
-Focus on breathing (he said consider grunting, but I don't know if I want to)
-Too much lunging laterally on BH side, said to move more to where I can step in
-Wants me to focus on really popping the hand separation thingy (hard for me to explain)
-Serve wise wants me to add a routine (bouncing of some sort)

Feed sesh 2;
-Tried working on BH stuff (needs a bit more work)
-Want more separation on FH side
-Went a bit less conservative on FH grip, want to go a bit more
-Keep hitting balls too low on each side

 

Curiosity

Professional
I was doing that for a little while but it felt like I had nothing on it/all arm. Probably means I was doing it wrong, maybe I should film that as well. I probably just don't understand how it all flows.
Someone once described the OHBH overall sequence, muscle use...to me this way. It has an effect that would add to your backhand power easily.
"If you rotate back a bit more, the initiation of the stroke involves rotating your shoulders forward quickly, and pulling the grip cap out and forward toward the ball, until your shoulders reach square with your hips and your hitting hand has just past the left side of your torso. At that point, sooner if timing is unclear, flex your lats on both sides of your back hard through to contact." That does seem to work. Flexing the lats will feel like pulling your shoulders back hard. The lats power lifting once the arm is a bit right of your torso. Your trunk rotation will stop. Your hitting arm and racquet will accelerate up and out, the racquet pivoting fast out to the hit. Your off arm will automatically extend back. I've followed that advice. It seems to work.
 

dgold44

G.O.A.T.
So I lost my video camera in the move, and just found it this past weekend. It's been 7 months since my last recording, and I set a lesson with the local pro tomorrow to work on basically everything. I realize watching feeds vs match/hitting partner play is totally different, but yesterday was my day with the wifey and was just happy to be able to hit a couple even if they were sprayed everywhere. Any thoughts or tips on below?



You just need a damn technical coach and avoid a “ ball feeder “
 

recsoares

Rookie
You just need a damn technical coach and avoid a “ ball feeder “
Correct.
You have very decent technique,so I’d recommend more dinamic drills rather than static feeding balls at this time.
I use a ball machine with heavy bounces and spin, and random feeding.
It help me A LOT in games,because in a real matches you hardly hit a ball with as you want.
Hitting on a run,positioning and tactics are important too.
Cheers


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jga111

Hall of Fame
I get it, but still it's frustrating. I'm trying to beat a couple people who have been playing since they were a fetus, and feel like if I can limit the drastic ups and downs that I might have a chance one day. Their level is just so consistent, rarely do I see them have a day where they can't hit one of their shots. Just looking back at the last year I would take my now forehand, my year ago's backhand, my 10 months ago's second serve, my 2 months agos first serve (you get the idea). Knowing how good a shot has felt in the past but being unable to replicate it in the present is one of the most frustrating things I've experienced (which is why I'm going to get a lesson).

I love your strokes, FH and backhand from what I remember. Any thoughts on mine?
If you want to make progress with match play I can suggest what has worked for me.

Philosophy:
Avoid making silly errors.
Mitigate your aggression and learn your 75% shot. Only go for your 100% one when you’re in super confident mode.
Footwork - this for me is so underrated it very important. Only with excellent footwork can you go really take charge. Best drill for this is get a competent volleyer at the net to move you around and work your strokes. It will tire you - but your fitness will improve, your spacing, split step becomes more subconscious.
Shot selection - again, play the percentage shot, basic strategy. It’s like poker - you don’t need to bluff to win, play with the percentages, aggressive when you need to. Tight aggressive players rarely lose big buck and have best chance of winning with time
Regular matches - your match mentality will evolve only through this. This is very personal and you can only learn what questions to ask yourself, what answers to find by playing lots of matches with different players.
 

Keendog

Semi-Pro
So update;

Since the last video I've had a lesson, a match, and another feed session. I recorded the match with Dan (which I lost 2-6 2-6), but to be honest I played worse than some of the matches against him I've been bagelled so I'd rather give myself one more. Playing him Tuesday, so hopefully that one won't be too horrible to watch.

Lesson wise, we focused mostly on backhand. Take-away notes;
-Don't open up too much on BH
-Drag left foot on BH side (because I have a tendency to want to lean backwards)
-Focus on breathing (he said consider grunting, but I don't know if I want to)
-Too much lunging laterally on BH side, said to move more to where I can step in
-Wants me to focus on really popping the hand separation thingy (hard for me to explain)
-Serve wise wants me to add a routine (bouncing of some sort)

Feed sesh 2;
-Tried working on BH stuff (needs a bit more work)
-Want more separation on FH side
-Went a bit less conservative on FH grip, want to go a bit more
-Keep hitting balls too low on each side

So in your eyes what's your problem with your game? Is it you can't beat certain people you know?

If so maybe watch them play (and lose) to other guys and see how they do it. Personally I think you may be too focussed on technique and not enough on other things. Your technique looks fine, it sounds more like a confidence thing.
 
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