i got a hunch djokovic will win more than 20 slams

arvind13

Professional
ya everyone were saying its guaranteed he'll pass federer in 2016 and win calender slam. look what happened. so yeah, its not a given or inevitable or even highly likely that djokovic will reach or surpass 20 slams. 5 slams is a big ask. yes, the next gen has been **** poor. but suddenly, a new star could emerge as ridiculous as that sounds.
 

Chronos

New User
I think he will have most important records and will be the most successful player ever. You can see it in his face during Speech. He clearly said "i am one of them" regarding the claim of Federer being inspiring to 37 years old men. I think there is only one way that this couldnt happen that a new ATG arrives suddenly starting from USO which is almost impossible.
 
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Deleted member 744633

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He will almost certainly break Federer's 20 slam record. How much further he will go beyond 20 remains to be seen.
 

uscwang

Hall of Fame
and be known as the goat of all time.

2nd will be nadal

3rd fed


in slam counts


possible?
Probable.
Novak can win 4 more GS on hard court, even possibly at AO alone. Plus WB and FO, where he will be top 3 favorite for at least a couple more years.
Nadal's chance off clay is slim. He needs to get to 21 based on FO alone. Possible.
 

uscwang

Hall of Fame
I think he will have most important records and will be the most successful player ever. You can see it in his face during Speech. He clearly said "i am one of them" regarding the claim of Federer being inspiring to 37 years old men. I think there is only one way that this couldnt happen that a new ATG arrives suddenly starting from USO which is almost impossible.
I don't think Federer was amused.
 
ya everyone were saying its guaranteed he'll pass federer in 2016 and win calender slam. look what happened. so yeah, its not a given or inevitable or even highly likely that djokovic will reach or surpass 20 slams. 5 slams is a big ask. yes, the next gen has been **** poor. but suddenly, a new star could emerge as ridiculous as that sounds.
He's only one shy of Federer's 2016 count. It does indeed look likely that he'll surpass that mark (17 Slams) and very likely that he'll at least equal it. What makes this still an open debate is that Federer has extended his tally since then. Nadal has already passed his old mark, and Djokovic is one shy.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
His postmatch response regarding the 37-year-old fedr being an inspiration to others implied he intends to be around for another five years or more. I’m sure he can average one per year and may smash the record if he stays healthy and focused.
 

arvind13

Professional
He's only one shy of Federer's 2016 count. It does indeed look likely that he'll surpass that mark (17 Slams) and very likely that he'll at least equal it. What makes this still an open debate is that Federer has extended his tally since then. Nadal has already passed his old mark, and Djokovic is one shy.
yeah thats what i meant, i menat its not a given that he'll get 20 or 21 slams.
 

arvind13

Professional
His postmatch response regarding the 37-year-old fedr being an inspiration to others implied he intends to be around for another five years or more. I’m sure he can average one per year and may smash the record if he stays healthy and focused.
so confidence in the non big 3 younger stars are so bad, that you don't think anyone new will come along in the next five years and knock djokovic off his top perch and winning slams, preventing djokovic from adding more to his tally.

and also, judging from the way federer played in the semis and finals, he may still add one more slam
 

Vrad

Professional
He will. There’s no one to beat him. The only people left playing top level tennis are the same people playing top level tennis when he entered.

Tennis has usually had the young super star come in, to whom the baton was passed, allowing the previous generation to retire.

The closes this generation has to thst is Kyrgios, who is mentally broken, and the previous generation was possibly Nishikori who is physically broken.
 

arvind13

Professional
He will. There’s no one to beat him. The only people left playing top level tennis are the same people playing top level tennis when he entered.

Tennis has usually had the young super star come in, to whom the baton was passed, allowing the previous generation to retire.

The closes this generation has to thst is Kyrgios, who is mentally broken, and the previous generation was possibly Nishikori who is physically broken.
theré's felix auger aliassime.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
so confidence in the non big 3 younger stars are so bad, that you don't think anyone new will come along in the next five years and knock djokovic off his top perch and winning slams, preventing djokovic from adding more to his tally.

and also, judging from the way federer played in the semis and finals, he may still add one more slam
I don’t think he’ll maintain this crazy 3/year slam pace and it would be great if we get a 2020 4-way split of the slams with one or more going to newbies. Right now it doesn’t look that way though. The net +2 by a single point margin in the total slam tally for Joe Kovic is UUUGGGEEE if that is to be his biggest goal.
 

arvind13

Professional
I don’t think he’ll maintain this crazy 3/year slam pace and it would be great if we get a 2020 4-way split of the slams with one or more going to newbies. Right now it doesn’t look that way though. The net +2 by a single point margin in the total slam tally for Joe Kovic is UUUGGGEEE if that is to be his biggest goal.
yes, but if even one young guy like felix suddenly breaks through, it could change the whole equation. right now it doesn't seem likely, but in tennis things can stay the same for a long while, but when change comes it comes quickly
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
yes, but if even one young guy like felix suddenly breaks through, it could change the whole equation. right now it doesn't seem likely, but in tennis things can stay the same for a long while, but when change comes it comes quickly
FAA is in a newer much less tested rowboat as Zverev. The one younger player that has slam results is Thiem (2 finals 2 SFs and a QF. His misfortune is to being strongest at RG, where we have the immovable clay GOAT.

I am one of the first at TTW to have seen Félix’s potential but he has yet to win ANY title, let alone a slam. I’m not a believer he can shut Joe Kovic down in his stranglehold on slam results in the next 12 months. If it were to happen before 2021, it will take a tag team effort from the experienced slam winners and Thiem. Tsitsipas (one SF) and Zverev (one QF) could be ready to spring forward sooner than Félix or another determined and even younger teen like Sinner.

Remember the thread title...it says 20. Joe Kovic is just four away and even a 1/year average until he’s 37, the age my post stated as a result of his admission that Rogi does indeed inspire him, puts him at 21 even without adding one more in September.
 

arvind13

Professional
FAA is in a newer much less tested rowboat as Zverev. The one younger player that has slam results is Thiem (2 finals 2 SFs and a QF. His misfortune is to being strongest at RG, where we have the immovable clay GOAT.

I am one of the first at TTW to have seen Félix’s potential but he has yet to win ANY title, let alone a slam. I’m not a believer he can shut Joe Kovic down in his stranglehold on slam results in the next 12 months. If it were to happen before 2021, it will take a tag team effort from the experienced slam winners and Thiem. Tsitsipas (one SF) and Zverev (one QF) could be ready to spring forward sooner than Félix or another determined and even younger teen like Sinner.

Remember the thread title...it says 20. Joe Kovic is just four away and even a 1/year average until he’s 37, the age my post stated as a result of his admission that Rogi does indeed inspire him, puts him at 21 even without adding one more in September.
one slam a year next five years isn't a given. as i said things in tennis can change quickly. Felix hasn't won a title YET. YET is a key word. and not just felix, as you said others could rise too. so its not an easy sure thing that djokovic will win atleast one slam a year for next three years much less five. some young guys can break through suddenly and completely dominate the slams with djokovic winning no slams after 2022. Just because we haven't seen it YET, doesn't mean it can't happen. And you are doing a HUGE speculation that djokovic is planning to play till 37 based on some casual comment by djokovic in an interview. lets see what happens. things in tennis can change very quickly

and you can't discount injuries and accidents
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
one slam a year next five years isn't a given. as i said things in tennis can change quickly. Felix hasn't won a title YET. YET is a key word. and not just felix, as you said others could rise too. so its not an easy sure thing that djokovic will win atleast one slam a year for next three years much less five. some young guys can break through suddenly and completely dominate the slams with djokovic winning no slams after 2022. Just because we haven't seen it YET, doesn't mean it can't happen. And you are doing a HUGE speculation that djokovic is planning to play till 37 based on some casual comment by djokovic in an interview. lets see what happens. things in tennis can change very quickly

and you can't discount injuries and accidents
Bookmarked. See you in 2024 or sooner
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
I don't know about 20 slams but for the first time in his career Djoko has tied Federer for # of tier 1 won:
Fed: 20 slams + 6 WTF + 28 masters = 54
Djoko: 16 slams + 5 WTF + 33 masters = 54
(Nadal is not far behind: 18 slams + 34 masters but still penalized by lack of WTF)
Note that the 54 for Fed have been won over 18 seasons: 2002-2019 = more longevity, while Djoko's were won over 13 seasons: 2007-2019 = more dominance
Also note that Djoko won his masters across all 9 = more complete, whereas Fed and Nadal won theirs across 7 out of the 9 = more specialized
Note that in less than a year, Djoko could snatch the weeks at #1 record from Fed ( if he continues to do well at slams and doesn't get injured). Nadal's GOAT status on clay cannot be challenged.
 

Cortana

Hall of Fame
I don't know about 20 slams but for the first time in his career Djoko has tied Federer for # of tier 1 won:
Fed: 20 slams + 6 WTF + 28 masters = 54
Djoko: 16 slams + 5 WTF + 33 masters = 54
(Nadal is not far behind: 18 slams + 34 masters but still penalized by lack of WTF)
Lol, GS =\= masters. Even if we just look at the ATP points:

Federer: 77.000
Djokovic: 72.500
Nadal: 70.000
 
Perhaps he has a 50% chance of equalling 20 and 40% of passing it. With this loss Federer kind of took the outcome 'off his racket' and onto others. But I have a hard job believing ONE of Thiem, Zverev, Tsitsipas, FAA and Medevedev won't discover a higher level of form by AO 2020. Because that's all it would take to permanently derail Joker's chances of getting to 20. Once a much younger player gets better than you it's not like you can just steal a slam a year for the next few years - that's not the way tennis history has usually gone.
 

mightyrick

Legend
Djokovic should definitely surpass Federer. But he will not be without resistance. He has lost to Medvedev and Bautista-Agut. Medvedev is only getting better and Bautista-Agut will stay the same barring injury. Nadal of course will have the French Open covered for the next year or two. Wawrinka can be dangerous, but less so off clay.

I know people on this board generally hate consistent players who aren't flashy and don't jump around on the court like pogo-sticks... but these guys have already proven results in the last 12 months.
 

GabeT

Legend
Djokovic should definitely surpass Federer. But he will not be without resistance. He has lost to Medvedev and Bautista-Agut. Medvedev is only getting better and Bautista-Agut will stay the same barring injury. Nadal of course will have the French Open covered for the next year or two. Wawrinka can be dangerous, but less so off clay.

I know people on this board generally hate consistent players who aren't flashy and don't jump around on the court like pogo-sticks... but these guys have already proven results in the last 12 months.
I agree it won’t be without resistance. But losses to players in Masters don’t seem to have much bearing on how Novak does in slams right now.
 

zvelf

Professional
Probable.
Novak can win 4 more GS on hard court, even possibly at AO alone. Plus WB and FO, where he will be top 3 favorite for at least a couple more years.
Nadal's chance off clay is slim. He needs to get to 21 based on FO alone. Possible.
Okay, no way Djokovic is winning 4 more Australian Opens alone. There are too many unknown factors in the way: age, injury, an up and coming ATG. I think it's 50/50 for him to reach 21 majors, but he has good odds to tie Federer's 20.
 

mightyrick

Legend
I agree it won’t be without resistance. But losses to players in Masters don’t seem to have much bearing on how Novak does in slams right now.
We'll see. To me, the results are going to largely be a function of his playing level and health for the next two years. Coupled with how the playing level of the field increases. Also, how the draws look in the slams.

But in that Wimbledon final, he looked very sub-par to my eyes. If he happened to play Bautista-Agut in that final... I think Djokovic loses that match. His level wavered that much between the semi-final and the final. He might get away with that at Wimbledon, but he certainly can't afford to do that at the USO or AO. There are too many good hardcourt players in the field now.
 
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