i guess us old timers are the only ones on here?????

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  1. jimanuel12

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    i told my niece recently that when i started playing tennis we used wood rackets, she looked at me like i had two heads??

    reallly??? she said.
    i said yes, and they were heavy rackets with a small head and small sweet spot.
    these kids now a days, they don't know good they have it but the new rackets are more likely to cause arm problems being too light and too head heavy.
    so, i caution the young people to be aware of that.

    but what do i know??

    i still don't know who adam lambert and lady gaga is?????
     
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    How old do I have to be to be in the old timers club?
     
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  4. Tennis Man

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    It's a good question. My guess is over 50 at least. I missed the whole wooded racquet era. So I wouldn't call myself an old-timer. 80's is my thing, the start of modern racquet era :)
     
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  5. jimanuel12

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    i would agree that 50 is OK

    i started with the old woodies, but then went to the wislon T-2000 and T-3000.
    went back to the woodies, then a long lay off.
    went to a wilson and then to the over size modern rackets.
    made the terrible mistake of going to a wilson hyper hammer last year and still healing from the tennis elbow.
    now i bought a kennex 5G and a couple of fischer m pro 105 for the arm.
    will try them out as soon as i heal up.
    been playing tennis since high school and college and this is only the second time i have had TE.

    the dreaded wilson hyper hammer - the racket build for TE.
    i should sue them!!!
     
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  6. Tennis Man

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    I don't know what tennis elbow is. I always played with heavy good-quality frames like Pro Staff 85. Now you make me wonder if someone had TE from such frames. Maybe from constanly mishitting them :)
     
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    It's not weight that gives you TE. In fact, it's likely to be the opposite.
     
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    If you read my other posts(like the one I just left in the Former Pro Player dept. re: Roy Emerson), you can be certain that I qualify for the 'double nickel' club...plenty old if you ask me. I came along just in time for the 'boom' of the 70s. Plenty of wood sticks but since I worked in a tennis specialty shop, I got to try out just about everything! We also had to figure out how to string them!

    I'm a little amused when posters refer to the POG(Prince Original Graphite) in 90 or mid. NO...the Prince ORIGINAL Graphite was only oversize...stayed that way for a few years.

    I'm also amused when threads discussing 'classic' rackets go ALL THE WAY BACK to the late 90s or even more recent models. These young whippersnappers don't know 'classic'. Why, I'll show them 'classic' by golly!!! :) j/k and all that, y'all!
     
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    I wouldn't laugh because it's the ORIGINAL Prince Graphite that only came in oversize. The 'POG' (Prince Original Graphite), which is just a nickname, came in 90/93 and 107/110.
     
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    Not entirely true .. There are many modern racquets that are head light, not real light (12 oz range), and semi-soft (RA ~60 - 63).
     
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    Age itself does not cut it. One has to start playing early, i.e., 60s, 70s.
     
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    There are many factors attributed to tennis elbow:

    improper hitting techniques
    stiffness of the racquet
    string stiffness
    high string tension
    weak tendon

    I am sure there are more ..
     
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    One of the most common causes is overuse. Rod Laver had a severe case of TE in the 70s. At one tournament at Sea Pines, he tried a forearm strap popular at the time. It took TWO of them strapped end to end to go around his left forearm! Not so sure the human arm was designed to hit tennis balls 4, 6, 8 hours a day.
     
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    What I meant was that just the fact of using a heavy racquet would not give a player TE. The stress on the arm is more likely to come with a light racquet, as there is more impact to absorb.

    You are right about the other factors though - they all play a part.
     
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    Most likely that our arms are not meant for that. I wonder how people who work with their hands all day are holding up. Occupations such as painters and carpenters may be at risk of developing tennis elbow.
     
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    Agreed - a heavier racquet is more effective in dampening vibration. Proper distribution in weight may prevent shock.
     
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    My wife is a physio and she is adamant that one of the most common causes today is people using grip sizes which are too small for them. It's fine for players who are playing constantly and keep their strokes well grooved (although they're not immune to injury) but, for the average person who plays only once a week, it can be a recipe for disaster. They go from not playing at all to turning their wrist and forearm on every shot as though they're playing ping pong, not tennis. That ends up causing problems ranging from tennis elbow to carpal tunnel.
     
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    Well, that's exactly what I meant by saying that I never had TE from playing with heavy frames and still wonder if anyone does. I do has a shoulder pain once in a while though. :)
     
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    i actually have my players use the biggest grip they can stand. it allows for a relaxed grip that in turn allows twitch muscles to... well... twitch.
     
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    well said, i agree

    according to guts and glory tennis, the major casues of TE are:

    grip size too small
    heavy head - light weight rackets - anything under 11 oz
    stiffness rating above 65
    string tension too tight

    all of these factors add to the TE injury and yes, i agree that grip size too small cannot help.
    i used a wilson hyper hammer with a smaller grip size than i was used to using and i developed THE worst case of TE i have ever had, still not healed 100% and it has been 7 months.

    the new powerful rackets are fun to hit with but they caused me all kinds of TE problems. i wish i had never seen the wilson hyper hammer.
     
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    amen to that!!!

    A BIG AMEN TO THAT!!!!
    i thought a classic was the old woodies????
     
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    Lookingf forward to the Super Seniors in USTA

    Four Tretorns every two weeks was what my meger funds could stand in the 1960's. Despite having a slight frmae with small joints, I never had tennis elbow, even using the Hyper Hammers in various large head sizes, for this I thank my college coach Nelson Phillips.
    That siad, I have moved towards a slightly headlight balance in my super stiff Prince Speedport Golds, so they swing like my last Wilson Cliff Richey Ultra (Med 4 5/8) in my hands.
     
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    Longing for the good ol' days

     
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    I can't tell you how many times I thought to start a post with 'you want heavy? I'll show you a Cliff Richey Ultra that'll make your arm sweat just looking at it!' What a beast of a racket. We had a couple of customers who liked it because you could scrape it on the court more times before it would wear down!
     
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    Those pressureless balls had their place. Great to keep in a ball machine. Also great for damp weather practice. Also great for growing mildew in the ball machine after damp weather practice!
     
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    I didn't know the Borg were in the 60s! I thought they were from Star Trek Next Generation?



    I am joking! I remember drinking out of metal cans. I still do it with plastic even though people tell me it can kill me.
     
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    yes, i did

     
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    i remember those days!!!!

     
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    I wouldn't consider myself an old timer.
     
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    I'm such an old-timer I remember the only British pop star to ever get a racquet named after him. :lol:

    But not as fondly as I remember knees that didn't hurt no matter how long I played.
     
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    Cliff Richey? Pop star?? You mean Cliff Richard, right? LOL (maybe you ARE old!)
     
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    Heh. In truth, Cliff Richard was a little before my time. He only sticks in my memory well enough to make a (weak) joke about him because he did a post-prime duet with Olivia Neutron-Bomb*, on whom I had a wicked junior high crush!

    * Prettier than a Wilson Advantage, and that there's high praise, boys.
     
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