I have the feeling Djokovic will end up as the One True Goat

#1
With Federer and Nadal contending for second place. This guy seems posed to beat the slam record and finish with positive H2H records against the other two. I'm not a huge fan of his clinical style, but it is so effective and consistent. You can't argue with the numbers.
 

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#2
If he gets the slam record even I as a huge Fed fan would probably have a hard time saying he wouldn't deserve the title.
The rest of his career is as well rounded as Federer's really, or at least it would be by the time he achieved the slam record. He doesn't have any distribution issues and has nearly as many WTFs as Fed too.
 
#5
With all the constant fan arguing it would kind of be a relief. Imagine Nole wins the CYGS this year, wins the olympic singles gold next year, wins 2 more WTF titles, finishes with most masters (which is very possible, I'd say very probably even) most slams which is also possible, most weeks at number one (decent chance) and ties or overtakes YE number ones and H2H over Fed and Nadal... what would be his failings?

Less consecutive weeks at number 1 perhaps, only 1 CYGS, weak competition is always a favourite, but really all the stats would favour him except in individual events like RG, wimbledon and perhaps the USO, but overall he'd have the most attack proof claim out of the big 3
 
#6
I wouldn't understand how "only one CYGS" could be seen as a weakness - even less if it would be a 6-in-a-row-CYGS. You'd need someone to score two CYGS in the Open Era... won't happen for quite some time.

Anyway, he's still very, very far from it.
 
#8
Djokovic won't even need 21 slams if he wins all 4 this year. If he schedules right it can be done. The shape the tour is in, its now or never. Nadal is reeling and getting slower by the day. He's a shell of his former self. He can't even keep it competitive against Djokovic now. . . Fed is on life support. And the rest of the tour is the worst its ever been.

If I was in Djokovic's shoes I would say, "Screw all non slam tournaments" and go as hard as I can for the calendar
 
#9
CYGS this year (actually, 6-in-a-row-CYGS) would for sure be huge (and very, very far from done - odds of success are low), however he'd still better keep enhancing his resume. Who knows what Nadal could do, especially if Nole would retire on the spot (or gets demotivated)... And in the longer term, I don't think having a single CYGS (even as a 6-streak) and ~20 slams would be future-proof at all.
 
#10
CYGS this year (actually, 6-in-a-row-CYGS) would for sure be huge (and very, very far from done - odds of success are low), however he'd still better keep enhancing his resume. Who knows what Nadal could do, especially if Nole would retire on the spot (or gets demotivated)... And in the longer term, I don't think having a single CYGS (even as a 6-streak) and ~20 slams would be future-proof at all.
Nadal can win 16 French Opens and if Novak gets 6 consecutive Slams and retires with six YE #1 he's the GOAT.
 
#11
He has negative h2h against Fed's so called weak era rivals , Roddick and Gonzalez.
It took him until Fed reached 35 to make the h2h positive against Fed.
 
#12
With Federer and Nadal contending for second place. This guy seems posed to beat the slam record and finish with positive H2H records against the other two. I'm not a huge fan of his clinical style, but it is so effective and consistent. You can't argue with the numbers.
Not in Grand Slams against Nadal. Nadal leads the H2H over Djokovic 9-6 in Grand Slams including (2-1 at the US Open). But Nadal needs to search for a change or solution after his last 2 losses (WB 2018 and AO 2019).
 
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#14
If Nole were to retire, Rafa may well score a CYGS. I don't see who would stop Nadal these days (whatever the surface), apart Nole.
That's true. Federer hasn't done anything in Slams sicne Wimbledon 2018 and only Djokovic stopped Nadal at Wimbledon 2018 and the Australian Open 2019.
 
#16
del Potro, Pouille, CIlic and Dimitrov. Not that they'd be favoured but they could on a given day especially since Nadal has won 1 Slam outside the French in over 5 years.
Focus in 2018 onwards, not the last 5 years which is like the Pleistocene to analyze the present. The only reason why Nadal didn't win Wimbledon 2018 and Australian Open 2019 is Novak Djokovic. If Nadal is not dominating on all surfaces right now, is because of Djokovic only.
 
#17
Del Potro, Pouille, CIlic and Dimitrov. Not that they'd be favoured but they could on a given day especially since Nadal has won 1 Slam outside the French in over 5 years.
Well, they really wouldn't be favored... a healthy Nadal would generally dominate them.
Indeed, without Djokovic (and considering Federer's slow exit - don't cross him out, though), the only person who'd regularly stop Nadal at slams would be Nadal himself - he gets injured way too often.
 
#18
Focus in 2018 onwards, not the last 5 years which is like the Pleistocene to analyza the present. The only reason why Nadal didn't win Wimbledon 2018 and Australian Open 2019 is Novak Djokovic. If Nadal is not dominating on all surfaces right now, is because of Djokovic only.
Against Kevin, he would have got a repeat of the cakewalk he got at USO 17 and he would have been favored to win irrespective of the fact he has lost to Darcis, Muller, Brown, Kyrgios , Rosol at Wimbledon previously
 
#20
Nadal has not won a HC major in 2 years. Let us not go overboard there.
Since the USO 2017 (where he won), which followed AO 2017 (where only Federer prevented him from winning, in the final), he bailed out of AO 2018 (injury) and USO 2018 (injury again), before reaching the final at AO 2019 (outmatched by Djokovic, but he had humiliated all his previous opponents).
So, none other players than Djokovic (and Federer) stopped Nadal on HC, no? ...
 
#21
Since the USO 2017 (where he won), which followed AO 2017 (where only Federer prevented him from winning, in the final), he bailed out of AO 2018 (injury) and USO 2018 (injury again), before reaching the final at AO 2019 (outmatched by Djokovic, but he had humiliated all his previous opponents).
So, none other players than Djokovic (and Federer) stopped Nadal on HC, no? ...
It does not work that way,. Those losses to Cilic and Delpo count fair and square. No guarantee the result would have been any different if Nadal played full match
 
#22
It does not work that way,. Those losses to Cilic and Delpo count fair and square. No guarantee the result would have been any different if Nadal played full match
Apart 2009 Beijing, and this AO 2018 match, Nadal never lost to Cilic. Obviously the injury played a role...
As for Del Potro, Nadal had defeated him in their three previous encounters (USO 2017, RG 2018, WC 2018); 2016 Nadal (losing at Rio) wasn't a great Nadal.

These two losses count as such in the career stats. But the injuries definitively played a major part.
 
#23
He'll be my #1 if he wins the FO and gets 4 Slams for the 2nd time.

If he completes the Calendar this year it's game over. Federer will still have his streaks, and the 5 in a row at two Slams so it'll be a discussion but one Novak will always win. Nadal will be firmly at 3rd.
The GOAT with 16 slams LMAO!
 
#24
He has negative h2h against Fed's so called weak era rivals , Roddick and Gonzalez.
It took him until Fed reached 35 to make the h2h positive against Fed.
Djokovic hasn't played Gonzalez since 2006. Why you think this has any significance in any way is puzzling. If you want to be technical, Djokovic only has a negative head to head against 12 players overall. Federer has negative head to head against 24 players.
 

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#26
Djokovic hasn't played Gonzalez since 2006. Why you think this has any significance in any way is puzzling. If you want to be technical, Djokovic only has a negative head to head against 12 players overall. Federer has negative head to head against 24 players.
Among ALL the opponents that he has played more than 10 times, Nole doesn't have negative H2H against ANY one.

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#27
If he does so be it. He would have all the arguments this time, H2H and slam count and Golden masters.

But, things change in tennis rather quickly. Dont be too surprised if he goes down again because of injury or some other mental lapses.
 
#28
I wouldn't understand how "only one CYGS" could be seen as a weakness - even less if it would be a 6-in-a-row-CYGS. You'd need someone to score two CYGS in the Open Era... won't happen for quite some time.

Anyway, he's still very, very far from it.
I'm not saying that I would call it a weakness but someone (you know they will) will say ah but Laver did 2 and it doesn't matter that only one was in the open era. In my opinion Nole's 4 in a row was just as good as a calendar slam so even if he manages that again I'd put that up with Laver
 
#30
If Nole were to retire, Rafa may well score a CYGS. I don't see who would stop Nadal these days (whatever the surface), apart Nole.
With his tendency to break down physically I'm not too sure, Nadal has ever made the final of all 4 slams in a season, his only time of 4 in a row was 2011/2012. Bear in mind that in from 2012 to present he's not entered or retired in play in 7 slams in 2012, 2013, 2014, 2018. So only 2015 (dreadful year for him) and 2017 he managed to play all slams without injury
 
#31
Not in Grand Slams against Nadal. Nadal leads the H2H over Djokovic 9-6 in Grand Slams including (2-1 at the US Open). But Nadal needs to search for a change or solution after his last 2 losses (WB 2018 and AO 2019).
So? he doesn't lead the slam count either, the poster wasn't talking about what he has now but what he looks like he could do and he could retire with a H2H lead in slams over Nadal.

You've predicted they will both play until at least 35, and that Nole will win at least 21 slams. Thus as long as Nadal doesn't continually lose before meeting Djokovic (and you've said Djokovic is the only one beating him) there's room for many more slam meetings, certainly the 4 that Djokovic needs to overtake Nadal. Nole's only problem will be Nadal adding even more RG encounters instead of meeting him at slams that suit Nole. Obviously he'll never manage to get 7 meetings at the AO to match the 7 at RG, or even 7 at Wimbledon, but if he can get even half a fair amount over the next 2 to 3 years then he's got the chance no doubt
 
#32
Focus in 2018 onwards, not the last 5 years which is like the Pleistocene to analyze the present. The only reason why Nadal didn't win Wimbledon 2018 and Australian Open 2019 is Novak Djokovic. If Nadal is not dominating on all surfaces right now, is because of Djokovic only.
Cool story. What about if he got competitive draws?

The GOAT with 16 slams LMAO!
Homogenised surfaces, extended careers. But yeah two separate streaks of 4 & 6 Slams is GOAT dominance.

Also Borg>Nadal despite 11-17 Slams.
 
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