I just forgot how to hit my Single handed BH. Seriously.

InSydeOut

New User
Has happened multiple times to me with multiple seperated diagnosis.

1. Leaving too much weight on back foot... Worst outcomes of all.

2. Hitting ball without using properly shoulder rotation... Was pushing through than pulling shoulder through rotation range. Not able to impart spin and hitting long.

3. Getting too wristy without proper shoulder rotation... Framing.

4. Not stretching out the trapezius in backswing and using the natural rubber band action that followed - instead trying to muscle it through. Very poor results.

5. Grip moving to continental. Weak wrist and excess wrist movement.

6. Grip moving to semi western.. hitting net a lot.

7. Contact point starts moving back. All hell breaks loose.

8. 1HBH always need decent foot movement and stepping into the ball. No open stances...

When it starts failing, stress and tension creep in and one issue snowballs into a combo of the above. A few rehearsals, self feeds and proper breathing to get back into the correct feels work great.
Reading posts these make me wish I had a 2HBH.. no way it's as high maintenance as a 1HBH.
 

socallefty

Legend
Reading posts these make me wish I had a 2HBH.. no way it's as high maintenance as a 1HBH.
Are these weird issues of players forgetting how to hit a BH properly happening because they are less experienced rec players who haven’t practiced enough to groove their technique or because it is a 1HBH? I’m not sure why someone would forget to hit only a 1HBH properly if you have practiced it enough just like your FH, serve, volley, return etc. If I don’t play for a few weeks, there is a certain element of rust to all strokes and even more so footwork, but I haven’t felt that my 1HBH suffers more than other shots. It is mostly movement that gets lazy in my case.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Are these weird issues of players forgetting how to hit a BH properly happening because they are less experienced rec players who haven’t practiced enough to groove their technique or because it is a 1HBH? I’m not sure why someone would forget to hit only a 1HBH properly if you have practiced it enough just like your FH, serve, volley, return etc. If I don’t play for a few weeks, there is a certain element of rust to all strokes and even more so footwork, but I haven’t felt that my 1HBH suffers more than other shots. It is mostly movement that gets lazy in my case.
For me, the 1hbh is THE shot that works the best after any kind of layoff...it just works. FH, serve, etc those can take a while to come back.
 

Slicerman

Professional
I have a friend who also hits 1hbh, but also has issues with it recently. He ends up flip-flopping between 1hbh and 2hbh. I suspect the issue might be that his footwork isn't able to keep up and isn't precise enough with the feet. And also not "playing within yourself" in general is causing too many errors and mishits, aka trying to swing out on every ball even though its not manageable. These are similar issues to myself back when I used to use 1hbh.

Do you have any video of your backhand or tennis game? Its hard to assess for sure without seeing what's happening.
 

Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
Recall forgetting how to hit a forehand. Someone mentioned I was deccelerating mid stroke then starting again. Could not picture that,
 

gold325

Semi-Pro
Reading posts these make me wish I had a 2HBH.. no way it's as high maintenance as a 1HBH.
Main issue I think is if a player starts hitting too many slow balls or slices they start getting lazy with their feet and technique and issues creep in but does not show in the results since they can "handsy" the ball back in.

As soon as they ball speed or topspin goes up this lazy feet / technique fully breaks down.

2HBH also breaks down BUT the rear hand and arm come to the rescue and help put the ball into the court at any speed... so poor setup and footwork is not penalized as much.

Also 2HBH is works both flat and topspin very well... whereas 1HBH only really works with some amount of topspin... My opinion may be wrong.
 
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pencilcheck

Hall of Fame
2HBH has lower barrier because you have two hands and beginners will use both hands to push it back.

1HBH has higher barrier because it is awkward to hit and has only one hand to use. Therefore if you can hit consistent and controllable 1hbh, you are already way too advanced.

But in my opinion, if you get to that point where you can hit 1hbh almost naturally, you can easily learn and hit awesome 2hbh as well, however it might not be the same in reverse :) or rather, might be impossible.

If you don't have talent, grit (or body type) to hit 1hbh, then you just can't. Not everyone can hit a match play level consistent 4.5+ 1hbh.
 
The problem with the 1HBH is you don't have the palm of the hand for support as is provided on the FH grip. For a 1HBH, support can be provided by FIRMLY placing the thumb on the flat behind the grip--if it is not firmly placed there it will slip, power will be lost and the shot will be sliced instead of hit with topspin.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
The problem with the 1HBH is you don't have the palm of the hand for support as is provided on the FH grip. For a 1HBH, support can be provided by FIRMLY placing the thumb on the flat behind the grip--if it is not firmly placed there it will slip, power will be lost and the shot will be sliced instead of hit with topspin.
I use the sw grip with no change from fh to bh, so the palm is always there for support in my case.
 

gold325

Semi-Pro
I use the sw grip with no change from fh to bh, so the palm is always there for support in my case.
Palm below and behind the grip provides the support in forehand.

Thumb and Base of Thumb provides the same support in the 1HBH. Yes Palm is there but is not being used the same way as in forehand.

This is what the previous poster (@tennis tom) meant.

Also FWIW very few tour players used SW backhand grip - Gustavo Kuerten and Justine Henine come to mind. You need to really get below the ball and hit the ball well in front which adds more pressure to footwork and positioning. I would start with some slow motion footage and check if anything has changed with your contact point or end of back swing transition.

Especially if you have an old good swing to compare against....
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Palm below and behind the grip provides the support in forehand.

Thumb and Base of Thumb provides the same support in the 1HBH. Yes Palm is there but is not being used the same way as in forehand.

This is what the previous poster (@tennis tom) meant.

Also FWIW very few tour players used SW backhand grip - Gustavo Kuerten and Justine Henine come to mind. You need to really get below the ball and hit the ball well in front which adds more pressure to footwork and positioning. I would start with some slow motion footage and check if anything has changed with your contact point or end of back swing transition.

Especially if you have an old good swing to compare against....
some of the best one handers ever!!

All I know is that the thumb and palm are behind and below the grip and is the strongest bh grip you can get. if you look at the normal eastern the knuckles are facing the net. If you were in front of a wall and some one pushed you toward the wall you wouldn't make a fist and stop your fall with your knuckles. With semi western grip its much more like the position you would use to break your fall....wrist extended with the palm out.

Why am I looking at video? There is nothing wrong with my bh
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Sorry that was mean for the person who started the thread. Your backhand is definitely awesome!
oh no worries. Awesome is a strong word though....

FWIW there is a sentiment about the 1 hander needing extra footwork and an out in front contact. That is all true though I prove all the time that it can be hit with horrible movement and footwork.
 

InSydeOut

New User
The differences between players 1HBH is huge. As in Fed's backhand looks way different from Thiem's.
The 2HBH is almost the same between players. That said Mofils has my favorite 2HBH.
 

1HBHFTW

Rookie
Has happened multiple times to me with multiple seperated diagnosis.

1. Leaving too much weight on back foot... Worst outcomes of all.

2. Hitting ball without using properly shoulder rotation... Was pushing through than pulling shoulder through rotation range. Not able to impart spin and hitting long.

3. Getting too wristy without proper shoulder rotation... Framing.

4. Not stretching out the trapezius in backswing and using the natural rubber band action that followed - instead trying to muscle it through. Very poor results.

5. Grip moving to continental. Weak wrist and excess wrist movement.

6. Grip moving to semi western.. hitting net a lot.

7. Contact point starts moving back. All hell breaks loose.

8. 1HBH always need decent foot movement and stepping into the ball. No open stances...

When it starts failing, stress and tension creep in and one issue snowballs into a combo of the above. A few rehearsals, self feeds and proper breathing to get back into the correct feels work great.
I have the same issue as OP sometimes, and the bolded ones above are the culprit 90% of the time. That and I'll add "timing", sometimes my timing is off to start the match and I start swinging too soon resulting in deceleration and a whole lot of ugly.
 

gold325

Semi-Pro
I have the same issue as OP sometimes, and the bolded ones above are the culprit 90% of the time. That and I'll add "timing", sometimes my timing is off to start the match and I start swinging too soon resulting in deceleration and a whole lot of ugly.
Some drop feeds before your matches... well in front of your lead leg... Then start your short court routine and then full court.

1HBH is not a natural movement (shoulder IR to ER). Forehands have the ER to IR component which is constantly used by people through their daily lives.

Forehand can he a Power HIT (think ATP Forehand) or SWING (WTA Forehand).... So bad timing can be easily overcome but adding some hit to the swing or vice versa.

But a 1HBH is always a "swing" since it is a IR to ER motion. Trying to hit it... Destroys it.

Especially effects the people who HIT forehands and SWING 1HBH backhands IMO since they are using different timing components on either side.....

My personal opinion
 

jz000

Rookie
Are your strings still playable? When something like that happens it could be a variation in your equipment, easier for the forehand to compensate, not so much for the backhand.

That would be the first thing for me to check, from there you can start to rule out other possible causes.
This.
And are you getting the same type of balls as before?
Maybe start with lower bouncing balls.
Try focusing on making a circle with the elbow. You should be able to feel the acceleration.
 
Hello Guys.
First of all, I apologize for not being able to reply to every single person that helped me, or chipped in with some or the other suggestion.
Also, I would like to Thank every one of you guys. Thanks a lot!
Maybe it was because I warmed up well, or saw few videos that you people recommended, or started hitting with a more closed racquet face, or took the ball early, but around 10 days back, my lost backhand came back to me, and it has stayed since.
It was a superb feeling to be able to go all out again in matches.
Couldn't have done it without you guys, thanks again :D:love:
 
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