I like Fognini

MotoboXer

Professional
But he looks stupid with that infant half-skull all over his gear ..

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SeeItHitIt

Professional
Fabio can beat anyone, it just depends on which Fabio shows up that day. That said, he's a pretty skilled all courter and I could care less if he has a skull, swoosh or embroidered image of Uranus on his clothing. He may be the ,sat one laugh - devoid of the draw of a 'big' tournament, Fabs is probably pulling down a decent penny for wearing a Willie G. Davidson image.
 

sredna42

Hall of Fame
Fabio, an ahole?? I very much disagree, I met Fabio, couldn’t have been nicer.
Don't bother. This is TTW, where any player who shows emotion/personality, and who doesn't prostrate themselves before the MSM and the ATP heirarchy, is a scumbag.

If Fognini didn't have his model looks, and had say dolgopolov's face, he'd be one of the most hated players of all time because he doesn't grovel when ordered to and isn't a robot.

He's one of my favourite players, I hope he has a dark horse run at a slam one day and gets to a final.
 

subban

Rookie
You got to give Fognini credit, a mediocre player who couldn't cut it getting big money tennis endorsements found a way to make himself stand out with his punk logo and clothing. Kind of reminds me of a young Agassi where image is everything and playing means nothing!
 

Jimbud

Semi-Pro
Don't bother. This is TTW, where any player who shows emotion/personality, and who doesn't prostrate themselves before the MSM and the ATP heirarchy, is a scumbag.

If Fognini didn't have his model looks, and had say dolgopolov's face, he'd be one of the most hated players of all time because he doesn't grovel when ordered to and isn't a robot.

He's one of my favourite players, I hope he has a dark horse run at a slam one day and gets to a final.
Love this guy. Love his demeanor; and his strokes. And I think his name really helps him cultivate his image..... First name speaks for itself. Last name sounds like a magician.....
 

acesliz

New User
Don't bother. This is TTW, where any player who shows emotion/personality, and who doesn't prostrate themselves before the MSM and the ATP heirarchy, is a scumbag.

If Fognini didn't have his model looks, and had say dolgopolov's face, he'd be one of the most hated players of all time because he doesn't grovel when ordered to and isn't a robot.

He's one of my favourite players, I hope he has a dark horse run at a slam one day and gets to a final.
It really has nothing to do with it being TT, it’s got to do with the fact that he actually is a scumbag. If you guys spoke Italian and could hear what he says on court I assure you that you’d agree. He gets a way with a ton of super disrespectful things that he says about umpires and opponents just because most people don’t understand Italian. He’s worse than Kyrgios (who is actually making an effort to change and improve his attitude while Fognini is 30 and too ignorant to care to change) but gets away with it all because he happens to come from a country with a language that the majority of people don’t understand.

You can try to justify his actions however you like, but what he’s said (numerous times) to opponents and umpires is unacceptable and reflects on what kind of a person he is. Doesn’t matter whether of the court he’s a nice guy, it’s easy to be nice to your fans and fellow players when not competing. The hard part is being respectful to your fellow colleagues while competing.

*note: I’m not talking about throwing/breaking racquets or hitting balls out of the stand, or even foul language for that matter; I’m talking about things that he has said directly to opponents and umpires, things that would never most players would never even think of saying in any situation.
 

sredna42

Hall of Fame
It really has nothing to do with it being TT, it’s got to do with the fact that he actually is a scumbag. If you guys spoke Italian and could hear what he says on court I assure you that you’d agree. He gets a way with a ton of super disrespectful things that he says about umpires and opponents just because most people don’t understand Italian. He’s worse than Kyrgios (who is actually making an effort to change and improve his attitude while Fognini is 30 and too ignorant to care to change) but gets away with it all because he happens to come from a country with a language that the majority of people don’t understand.

You can try to justify his actions however you like, but what he’s said (numerous times) to opponents and umpires is unacceptable and reflects on what kind of a person he is. Doesn’t matter whether of the court he’s a nice guy, it’s easy to be nice to your fans and fellow players when not competing. The hard part is being respectful to your fellow colleagues while competing.

*note: I’m not talking about throwing/breaking racquets or hitting balls out of the stand, or even foul language for that matter; I’m talking about things that he has said directly to opponents and umpires, things that would never most players would never even think of saying in any situation.

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acesliz

New User
Don't bother. This is TTW, where any player who shows emotion/personality, and who doesn't prostrate themselves before the MSM and the ATP heirarchy, is a scumbag.

If Fognini didn't have his model looks, and had say dolgopolov's face, he'd be one of the most hated players of all time because he doesn't grovel when ordered to and isn't a robot.

He's one of my favourite players, I hope he has a dark horse run at a slam one day and gets to a final.
I’d like to add that, Gulbis (a favorite player of mine) is a player that shows plenty of “emotion/personality, and doesn’t prostrate himself before the MSM and the ATP hierarchy” that isn’t considered a scumbag. That’s because while he can come off at times as disrespectful, he really isn’t, he has never disrespected someone over their race/gender in a language that they don’t understand.

You write as if Fognini has so much to prove, like he’s such a rebel, when really he’s just a childish man who happens to be a talented tennis player, that acts out of his own ignorance and lack of self control/awareness. There’s really not much redeemable about him other than his talent for the sport.

Anyway, given your last response, I don’t expect to get much of an answer, I just wanted to try to give a different perspective, that I think most people who are fans of his have yet to consider.
 

sredna42

Hall of Fame
I’d like to add that, Gulbis (a favorite player of mine) is a player that shows plenty of “emotion/personality, and doesn’t prostrate himself before the MSM and the ATP hierarchy” that isn’t considered a scumbag. That’s because while he can come off at times as disrespectful, he really isn’t, he has never disrespected someone over their race/gender in a language that they don’t understand.

You write as if Fognini has so much to prove, like he’s such a rebel, when really he’s just a childish man who happens to be a talented tennis player, that acts out of his own ignorance and lack of self control/awareness. There’s really not much redeemable about him other than his talent for the sport.

Anyway, given your last response, I don’t expect to get much of an answer, I just wanted to try to give a different perspective, that I think most people who are fans of his have yet to consider.

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Yet you still watch him.

And yet people would rather have their fingernails pulled out rather than watch Sam Querry.

He's clearly not a bad person as IRL he is by all accounts quite pleasant and friendly, he just wears his heart on his sleeve. You don't like it? Then cry some more. Tennis is better with characters like him in it.
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
Don't bother. This is TTW, where any player who shows emotion/personality, and who doesn't prostrate themselves before the MSM and the ATP heirarchy, is a scumbag.

If Fognini didn't have his model looks, and had say dolgopolov's face, he'd be one of the most hated players of all time because he doesn't grovel when ordered to and isn't a robot.

He's one of my favourite players, I hope he has a dark horse run at a slam one day and gets to a final.
You hit the nail on the head there!!

@Red Rick
 

acesliz

New User
In an attempt to leave this thread on a positive note, I’d like to say that Fognini definitely has the potential to lose his scumbag reputation and become a good man and an even better tennis player than he already is (with grand slam SF or Final potential), and one that I’d definitely root for.

What I think he would need to do to fulfill that potential is: find a good psychologist or psychotherapist and really try to understand what it is that makes him act the way he does (he has got a lot of anger, and anger tends to be just a symptom of sadness) which is usually rooted in our pasts and has a lot to do with our upbringing and parents (unfortunately all parents are going to end up doing some sort of psychological damage, parenting/life in general is hard!). This would help him to control his angry outbursts, concentrate better, and stop throwing sets/matches when things don’t go his way (a classic case of when one wants to win so bad, that when things don’t go their way, they stop trying, not because they don’t care, but because they care so much and it’s so important to them, that they couldn’t handle the pain of giving their all and losing, so they decide to lose on purpose, and then use the excuse “I wasn’t really trying.”)

That said, unfortunately I doubt this will happen given the stigma founded in ignorance that surrounds psyschotherapy. But you never know! It’s almost never too late!
 

acesliz

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Yet you still watch him.

And yet people would rather have their fingernails pulled out rather than watch Sam Querry.

He's clearly not a bad person as IRL he is by all accounts quite pleasant and friendly, he just wears his heart on his sleeve. You don't like it? Then cry some more. Tennis is better with characters like him in it.

What makes you assume that I watch him or that I’m jealous?

Also, I’ve enjoyed quite a few Querrey matches, especially the one against Djokovic at Wimbledon. What’s so bad about querrey? Not the prettiest of games but he’s no Karlovic or Isner. (No offense to big servers, anyone who’s that tall has to play that way.)

By the way, the sport of tennis, is part of real life, and the way you act in the heat of the moment can really be more of an indication of one’s character rather than when someone is in a relaxed situation. Not to say that getting angry and reacting in ways one may regret are irredeemable, but choosing to insult and personally attack others when they can’t even understand you is not normal behavior even in the heatedest of moments (its just childish). You’ve got a problem with someone? Then say it to their face in a language they can understand, then we’ll see who’s the real man.

Wawrinka wears his heart on his sleeve but he’s not disrespectful. Gulbis does as well. So do Baghdatis, even Djokovic does. Roddick as well, but was never insulting. I’ve never heard them say anything even nearly as disrespectful and ignorant. Agassi was all of that and more when it comes to being passionate and controversial, but he wasn’t disrespectful. One can be passionate, entertaining, and controversial all with out being a jerk. Fognini is a terrible example for youth in Italy, as many people here look up to him since he is the number one Italian player. Trust me, he’s not good for the game. Agassi was good for the game. Fognini is a poor, ignorant man’s Agassi. Like I said before, there are plenty of other fiery players that really tell it like it is, that don’t stoop so low.
 
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sredna42

Hall of Fame
What makes you assume that I watch him or that I’m jealous?

Also, I’ve enjoyed quite a few Querrey matches, especially the one against Djokovic at Wimbledon. What’s so bad about querrey? Not the prettiest of games but he’s no Karlovic or Isner. (No offense to big servers, anyone who’s that tall has to play that way.)

By the way, the sport of tennis, is part of real life, and the way you act in the heat of the moment can really be more of an indication of one’s character rather than when someone is in a relaxed situation. Not to say that getting angry and reacting in ways one may regret are irredeemable, but choosing to insult and personally attack others when they can’t even understand you is not normal behavior even in the heatedest of moments (its just childish). You’ve got a problem with someone? Then say it to their face in a language they can understand, then we’ll see who’s the real man.

Wawrinka wears his heart on his sleeve but he’s not disrespectful. Gulbis does as well. So do Baghdatis, even Djokovic does. Roddick as well, but was never insulting. I’ve never heard them say anything even nearly as disrespectful and ignorant. Agassi was all of that and more when it comes to being passionate and controversial, but he wasn’t disrespectful. One can be passionate, entertaining, and controversial all with out being a jerk. Fognini is a terrible example for youth in Italy, as many people here look up to him since he is the number one Italian player. Trust me, he’s not good for the game. Agassi was good for the game. Fognini is a poor, ignorant man’s Agassi. Like I said before, there are plenty of other fiery players that really tell it like it is, that don’t stoop so low.

Lol! I'm not reading all that chit. Go make a blog or something
 

acesliz

New User
Lol! I'm not reading all that chit. Go make a blog or something

Ah. Slow reader, eh? I was too once. You should read more books! Open by Agassi a good one.

Anyway, you’ve probably already read every word but I’ll write a brief summary just for you <3. (That way you'll have no excuse other than having no good response! See how I'm making things easy for you?)



...and I may just make a blog!
 

acesliz

New User
Lol! I'm not reading all that chit. Go make a blog or something
Summary:

The sport of tennis is part of real life, and the way you act in the heat of the moment is often more of an indication of one’s character rather than in a relaxed situation. Not to say that getting angry/reacting in regrettable ways are irredeemable actions, but choosing to insult/personally attack others when they can’t understand you is not O.K. even in the most heated of moments (it's just childish). Wanna say something? Say it to their face in a language they understand, then we'll talk about being a (good) man.

Wawrinka, Gulbis, Baghdatis, Djokovic, Roddick wear/wore their hearts on their sleeves without insulting others. I’ve never heard them say anything even nearly as disrespectful/ignorant as Fognini. Agassi was very passionate and controversial and not disrespectful. Fognini is not good for the game. Agassi was. Fognini is a poor/ignorant man’s Agassi. There are many other fiery players that really tell it like it is, w/o stooping so low.
 

Luis88

New User
I can't really see what's so appealing about Fognini. He acts like as a-hole. Gives people middle fingers everywhere. Another version of Tomic, just older I guess. Has some game but his game is so freaking boring to watch. It's like he's not even trying. I would like anyone to prove me wrong that he's a top ten material or Grand Slam conteinder. Good shlt that he won a tournament. Can't wait until he retire. Every time I saw him on TV, I just changed channel. Volandri is another Italian that I had watched and rooted for. Love the guy, always thought this is how Italian acts, classy and elegant. But not this piece of trash.
 

maximus

Semi-Pro
I like Fognini's natural talent. The guy has the potential to be great but appears content with what he has. You can see in his games that he's not even trying hard enough. Too far from Nadal's hunger and intensity. I hope he wins French Open before he retires. That would be great.
 

Crablands

New User
My partner is in love with him and I have enjoyed many of his matches over the years. If he had the nadal hunger I think he would win the French too.
 

AMGF

Hall of Fame
If you like Fognini, give Thomas Fabbiano a try. He's 50% pure ball of energy and 50% italian passion. He's having trouble getting in the top50 but he is enternaing to watch for sure. The fact he's quite short makes it harder for him on the serve (a la Diego) but damn this is a super player to watch.

I've also seen him practice and it was pedal to the metal for the whole time he was on the court. Not the semi-serious mostly just hitting a few drills that most pros do. Got to talk to him and he was super nice too.

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Ah. Slow reader, eh? I was too once. You should read more books! Open by Agassi a good one.

Anyway, you’ve probably already read every word but I’ll write a brief summary just for you <3. (That way you'll have no excuse other than having no good response! See how I'm making things easy for you?)



...and I may just make a blog!
Maate, Cut him some slack; he's an Aussie - we have enough trouble just dealing with English! ;)
 

bigdaddyps

Semi-Pro
The skull logo is the stupidest logo.
Why a dead person’s skull on tennis outfits?
Do u see any rec players walking around in that? Never seen a soul.
Maybe the Goth crowd could embrace this
 
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