I love the most random frame - Pro Kennex Kinetic Pro 7g

[DaveInBradenton]

Hey Dave, I am cheap so I never really splurge. However, economically it may work out to cheaper in the long run because of durability. I do like natural gut though. Do you know of any on the cheaper side that are still pretty good?

My limited experience with gut is all since June last year (2012) when I started my comeback after 15 years absence. I have used 15L Tonic, 16g Tonic, and 17G VS Babolat. I have had one string break: MicroGel OS, 16g at 55 and that was in the closet at the knot. I have progressed from the thicker to the thinner gauges because my wear has been so minimal. Wear with NG is not a problem for me. My tensions have gotten steadily lower because of a tennis elbow problem. Range is from 57 to 50 pounds.

My current PK Kinetic 7G is strung at 50 with VS 17g. Today it is 4 months old. I have used it 38 times. I kept track because I was concerned about the durability of 17g, first time trying it.

I am basically a practice player which is to say I hit against my ball machine mostly, and occasionally with a hitting partner. I practice 2-3 times a week, hitting 3 hoppers of balls in the machine, about 200 balls a session. I hit the ball solidly with full strokes; I scorn the moon ball. ;+)

There are threads on the Forum about types of gut and the pros and cons. One thing's for sure, if you haven't tried natural gut, you should give it a shot. If you are a string breaker, start with the 15L or 16g and evaluate.

Good luck,
Dave

 

[canadad]

Not a good night...

So first my toddler pours liquid all over my MacBook Pro and thus killing it, then my three times hit with ProKennex 7G BREAKS on a forehand!!!! I was in disbelief. I just read some of the user comments on TW's feedback for the 7G and it seems this has been happening to others. It did seem less substantial than my older one, but wow. I have been playing for 22 years and have never had this happen. I may reconsider this frame if the QC is really this bad. Here it is:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lv26o7y97ei1q86/2013-07-16 20.34.15.jpg

 

[JGads]

Oh no. Is that the vaunted Mik (the one you got from me) or another?

Sorry to see that, man. Never had that issue with any of mine.

 

[canadad]

Oh no. Is that the vaunted Mik (the one you got from me) or another?

Sorry to see that, man. Never had that issue with any of mine.

No that would be the brand new one I got delivered to my door on Friday. Thanks JGads, it does suck, but first world problem.

 

[JGads]

No that would be the brand new one I got delivered to my door on Friday. Thanks JGads, it does suck, but first world problem.

WOW. Amazed the brand new one broke. Can you send it back? (If from a store). Bummer, man.

 

[canadad]

WOW. Amazed the brand new one broke. Can you send it back? (If from a store). Bummer, man.

I got it from TW last week, so hopefully all the warranty stuff is in play. I hope I don't have to pay to send it back. It was weird, it was a forehand and I was returning a serve. Makes me reconsider things though.

 

[JGads]

I got it from TW last week, so hopefully all the warranty stuff is in play. I hope I don't have to pay to send it back. It was weird, it was a forehand and I was returning a serve. Makes me reconsider things though.

You should be fine, then. Wouldn't reconsider unless it happens again.

 

[DaveInBradenton]

You should be fine, then. Wouldn't reconsider unless it happens again.

I agree. I've read numerous threads on ProKennex rackets; I don't recall any breakage. Tennis Warehouse will replace it for you. Let us know.

I've got 3 PK demos due today. I will evaluate, compare with my 7G, and report.

Dave

 

[mikeler]

Oh no. Is that the vaunted Mik (the one you got from me) or another?

Sorry to see that, man. Never had that issue with any of mine.

The vaunted Mik is indestructible!

 

[canadad]

Vaunted Mik? I feel I should know this story. That one feels more substantial than the newer one. The newer one seemed lighter and with a little more flex. Also, the shade of white was different, the new one is bright white and the older one looks a beige-white. I had attributed the difference in colours to age.
Here are the two side-by-side:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/s1ckd29rtcfe84q/2013-07-17 08.12.22.jpg
More pics:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ic6rxsfimx2v9j2/2013-07-16 20.33.42.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lv26o7y97ei1q86/2013-07-16 20.34.15.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ko9ru28fsvh1kiw/2013-07-16 20.34.39.jpg

 

[DaveInBradenton]

So, have you called TW yet? What did they say?

Dave

 

[canadad]

So, have you called TW yet? What did they say?

Dave

I sent off an email last night with pictures when it happened. I will contact them later today, hopefully everything goes smoothly.

Dave, are yours new? I see that three others have been reported broken according to recent TW's customer feedback.
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/feedback-P7G.html

 

[mikeler]

Vaunted Mik? I feel I should know this story. That one feels more substantial than the newer one. The newer one seemed lighter and with a little more flex. Also, the shade of white was different, the new one is bright white and the older one looks a beige-white. I had attributed the difference in colours to age.
Here are the two side-by-side:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/s1ckd29rtcfe84q/2013-07-17 08.12.22.jpg
More pics:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ic6rxsfimx2v9j2/2013-07-16 20.33.42.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lv26o7y97ei1q86/2013-07-16 20.34.15.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ko9ru28fsvh1kiw/2013-07-16 20.34.39.jpg

When I sold my 2 PK 7Gs to JGads, he named them Mik1 and Mik2. I think I remember that one scratch in the first picture.

 

[canadad]

When I sold my 2 PK 7Gs to JGads, he named them Mik1 and Mik2. I think I remember that one scratch in the first picture.

Ha, that's great. Yes, thank goodness the Mik is still intact. The Mik is a workhorse, based on your other thread I am sure it was restrung a time or two as well.

TW is going to give me store credit. On their part, that is upstanding and fair. However, when it comes down to it, every time I order from them I wind up paying 40 dollars in shipping/border/brokerage/tax fees in the end. So that part is a bummer. I would have bought in Canada, but I can't buy PK anywhere here. I inquired with PK directly about a Canadian distributor, but after two months I am still waiting for a response. Oh well, once again first world problems.

 

[DaveInBradenton]

Demo Racket Testing

I ordered three demos to compare with my 4 month old 7G (VS 17g N-Gut at 50):

ProKennex Kinetic Ki Q5 (295g): 100", 16X20, 11.0 oz, 66 flex, 22.5 beam

ProKennex Ki QTour 295 Mid+ : 98", 16X19, 10.95 oz, 57 flex, 22.5 mm beam

ProKennex Ionic Ki 15 PSE: 105", 16X19, 11.5 oz, 66 flex, 25/23mm beam, 27.25 length

All three seem to be strung with Wilson NXT 16.

Due to a sore shoulder, I limited my time testing today. Assuming my shoulder continues to improve, I will continue testing the day after tomorrow. My plan is to test 3 times before I have to return the demos.

I was hoping today that one of the three rackets would be eliminated and that is what happened. While the 98 & 100 inch rackets seemed similar, the 105 Ki 15 PSE felt head heavy every time I picked it up. The 105" head was the most powerful. It was the slowest to swing. It also felt a bit stiffer than the other two, perhaps due to it's wider beam. I wanted to like the larger head, but even though it's 11.5 ounces strung versus 11.7 for the 7G, the 15 PSE felt heavier. I preferred the lighter feel of the 7G. The purpose of the demo trials are to hopefully find a lighter racket with similar characteristics to the 7G. The Ki 15 PSE did not fit the bill. I will say I did hit good groundstrokes and serves with it, but it felt slow to me. Keep in mind I'm a senior player, anything that slows me down is bad!

Next session I will concentrate on the two 295 rackets to see how they compare to the 7G.

Best wishes,
Dave

 

[DaveInBradenton]

Demo Racket Testing

A couple things I'd like to add.

I'm feeling my elbow a bit today after testing the demos. This does not happen with the 7G. I'm a recovered tennis elbow sufferer, so this is a concern. I'm thinking it's mainly because the rackets today were strung in the middle of the suggested range and that the string was not natural gut.

It also may be from the wider 23/25mm beam of the 15 PSE. However, the 15 PSE has a lot of favorable remarks about comfort in the customer review comments at TW. (BTW, I wanted to the like the PSE because it's $30 less money!)

In any event, the 7G with my set up (natural gut at 50) is an excellent combination of power, control, and comfort.

As to the two 295 rackets, the specs are very similar except for the 16X19 versus 16X20 and flex ratings of 66 vs 57. The flex spread doesn't concern me too much because the venerable 7G has a 66 flex.

I would like to hear from you racket Gurus about the pros & cons of 16X19 vs 16X20. Is this a power vs control variable?

Best wishes,
Dave

 

[mikeler]

A couple things I'd like to add.

I'm feeling my elbow a bit today after testing the demos. This does not happen with the 7G. I'm a recovered tennis elbow sufferer, so this is a concern. I'm thinking it's mainly because the rackets today were strung in the middle of the suggested range and that the string was not natural gut.

It also may be from the wider 23/25mm beam of the 15 PSE. However, the 15 PSE has a lot of favorable remarks about comfort in the customer review comments at TW. (BTW, I wanted to the like the PSE because it's $30 less money!)

In any event, the 7G with my set up (natural gut at 50) is an excellent combination of power, control, and comfort.

As to the two 295 rackets, the specs are very similar except for the 16X19 versus 16X20 and flex ratings of 66 vs 57. The flex spread doesn't concern me too much because the venerable 7G has a 66 flex.

I would like to hear from you racket Gurus about the pros & cons of 16X19 vs 16X20. Is this a power vs control variable?

Best wishes,
Dave

16 x 19 versus 16 x 20 is not a huge difference. Now 16 mains versus 18 mains definitely is.

 

[canadad]

16 x 19 versus 16 x 20 is not a huge difference. Now 16 mains versus 18 mains definitely is.

Slightly off topic, but I have wondered this. Did you hit the 18x20 Prince EXO3 Tour as well? I have only hit the 18x20 and found it not to be that lively, but the flex was pretty neat. Is the 16x18 much more lively?

 

[mikeler]

Slightly off topic, but I have wondered this. Did you hit the 18x20 Prince EXO3 Tour as well? I have only hit the 18x20 and found it not to be that lively, but the flex was pretty neat. Is the 16x18 much more lively?

Those two are worlds apart. The 18x20 just feels dead with no pop at all. It made me not even consider the Exo Tour 16x18 for years. Then my arm finally begged me to try the 16x18. My only complaint is the ball comes off the strings high but that is a fairly open pattern...until the Exo Tour ESP comes out with the 16x16 pattern.

 

[canadad]

Those two are worlds apart. The 18x20 just feels dead with no pop at all. It made me not even consider the Exo Tour 16x18 for years. Then my arm finally begged me to try the 16x18. My only complaint is the ball comes off the strings high but that is a fairly open pattern...until the Exo Tour ESP comes out with the 16x16 pattern.

Thanks for the response, that's interesting how the same mold can be so different. I wonder how other racquets would behave with different patterns. Wow, 16x16! That is cool, should be interesting. I hit the Steam 99S, it was pretty fun to play with such an open pattern. I found myself trying too hard to exagerate the spin rather than just letting it happen.

 

[canadad]

Okay, so here is a little update. TW replaced the broken 7G and paid for the shipping, so that was pretty great. I hope everything is alright with this one. I was seriously considering going with something else, but I decided to go with the 7G again. The lead micro bearings' sound is definitely more audible on the newer one, almost like the older one has settled more.

I have tried a few different set-ups lately. I bought some Kirshbaum Black Shark on sale and put it in the mains with Gosen OG Sheep Micro. I really like this one, super cheap, but nice to hit. I very briefly tried the Black Shark on its own and did not like it, too stiff for me. However, the OGSM softens it up a little and it feels great and grabs the ball. I am nearing my usual breaking point with multis of three hours and the OGSM looks alright still. Maybe syn-gut is all I need to soften up the poly.

On JGads suggestion I tried a full bed of Solinco Tour Bite Soft. It definitly is the softest poly I have every tried. I found I was launching the ball with them at first, but I did manage to dial in things. I think if I was to put it in again I would move up a few pounds. Nice string though.

 

[crazyups]

I hope there haven't been any pro 7g's breaking lately because I want to get a 2nd one. Hopefully that was a bad batch. Anyone had breakage problems in the last 6 months or so?
Luckily I kept my 7g after not using it for over a year or 2 and have much more success after changing my forehand grip from an extreme semi-western to a regular semi western. The 7g should be called The Crusher. It feels sublime too.

 

[mikeler]

I hope there haven't been any pro 7g's breaking lately because I want to get a 2nd one. Hopefully that was a bad batch. Anyone had breakage problems in the last 6 months or so?
Luckily I kept my 7g after not using it for over a year or 2 and have much more success after changing my forehand grip from an extreme semi-western to a regular semi western. The 7g should be called The Crusher. It feels sublime too.

The Crusher is a great name for it. I love the sound the ball makes coming off the strings.

 

[crazyups]

Maybe canadad can chime in since DaveInBradenton hasn't posted in a while. It's hard to find an extended length racquet with such great control and power while still having room for customization. The Crusher lives on.

 

[JGads]

Happy to see this goat stick still goating.

 

[canadad]

Maybe canadad can chime in since DaveInBradenton hasn't posted in a while. It's hard to find an extended length racquet with such great control and power while still having room for customization. The Crusher lives on.

Still using it and my second one did not break. I flirted briefly with the Pure Drive Roddick Plus, but that did not last long. I liked the fact that the PDR+ had such a noticeably bigger sweetspot, but my 1hbh was absolutely awful on serve returns and on the run. I have been trying the Steam 99S, but am finding so much less plow and I have to change my swing so as not to launch the ball. Also, I string my own racquets and I don't want the continuous stringing. So, back to Crusher!
Btw, that Solinco Tour Bite Soft at 56 is still my favourite set-up. Did not like full Black Shark, felt terrible.

 

[JGads]

^awesome!
Glad the TBS is working out.

 

[crazyups]

Still using it and my second one did not break. I flirted briefly with the Pure Drive Roddick Plus, but that did not last long. I liked the fact that the PDR+ had such a noticeably bigger sweetspot, but my 1hbh was absolutely awful on serve returns and on the run. I have been trying the Steam 99S, but am finding so much less plow and I have to change my swing so as not to launch the ball. Also, I string my own racquets and I don't want the continuous stringing. So, back to Crusher!
Btw, that Solinco Tour Bite Soft at 56 is still my favourite set-up. Did not like full Black Shark, felt terrible.

Thanks for the reply canadad. I have a PDR 2012 regular length so I am familiar with the sweetspot but I lead up the Crusher some in the head and the sweetspot is about the same.

 

[canadad]

Thanks for the reply canadad. I have a PDR 2012 regular length so I am familiar with the sweetspot but I lead up the Crusher some in the head and the sweetspot is about the same.

I use mine in stock form. Where do you put your lead?

 

[canadad]

^awesome!
Glad the TBS is working out.

Thanks for the recommendation, it's pretty nice stuff. Soft and has great bite. What are you using these days? Racquet and strings...

 

[crazyups]

I use mine in stock form. Where do you put your lead?

10 inches of Tourna lead tape on the white stripe along the tip, 5 inches at 4 o'clock and 5 inches around 8 o'clock. Total of 5 grams. I also use full poly which is heavy, silver string mains and scorpion or silver string crosses depending on temperature. 5 grams isn't much but racquets may be different if quality control is not up to par. I also string in the upper 40's to 52 max which opens up the sweetspot. I am not gung ho on strings too much so I choose poly with the longest playability which is silverstring mains as far as I can tell. I don't mind tension drop too much as long as playability is there. If anyone knows of another poly that has longer playability than silverstring or sppp I would love to know. Again, I am mostly interested in long playability, not that much in tension loss although they are probably somewhat related. I like to swing fast whenever I can.

 

[canadad]

10 inches of Tourna lead tape on the white stripe along the tip, 5 inches at 4 o'clock and 5 inches around 8 o'clock. Total of 5 grams. I also use full poly which is heavy, silver string mains and scorpion or silver string crosses depending on temperature. 5 grams isn't much but racquets may be different if quality control is not up to par. I also string in the upper 40's to 52 max which opens up the sweetspot. I am not gung ho on strings too much so I choose poly with the longest playability which is silverstring mains as far as I can tell. I don't mind tension drop too much as long as playability is there. If anyone knows of another poly that has longer playability than silverstring or sppp I would love to know. Again, I am mostly interested in long playability, not that much in tension loss although they are probably somewhat related. I like to swing fast whenever I can.

Thanks for sharing your mod. Silverstring is a pretty great string. I have tried going lower, but I can't play comfortably below 55. I tried 45 and 48 and I just can't do it. I just ordered some Genisis Black Magic(very cheap) to mix into the rotation, so we'll see how that goes. I am not sure about poly durability because for the past few years I have been almost exclusively hybriding and the multi or syn-gut always breaks first. Wilson Ripspin is supposed to last a little longer, but I blew through it in three sessions with a Wilson Steam 99S, but that means nothing because the 99S shreds any string quickly. If Silverstring works, it should hold up pretty well compared to other polys.

 

[mawashi]

I hardly think the G7 is a random frame lol!

If not for the vantages I'll be seriously looking at this stick. Although, the PJ needs some serious make over.

Awwww heck I might as well just get one again...

 

[Power Player]

Canadad, just saw you tried the 360 SW mod..thats awesome. Hehe. Yeah it was too much for me as well, and I was still figuring out SW at that point and what worked for me. I have since found that 328-335 range is best for me.

But the 7g is real easy to bump up the SW since its pretty HL.

I can't do XL sticks..tried multiple times. Recent one was the POG long body. I always love it at first, but a few weeks in it just falls apart. That was what ended up getting me with the 7g. Still, I consider it to be one of the best sticks out there. Great feel, power, good on the arm, just a fantastic racquet.

 

[JGads]

Thanks for the recommendation, it's pretty nice stuff. Soft and has great bite. What are you using these days? Racquet and strings...

It took a pro stock Radical, slightly extended, to pull me away from the 7G, and I've had tour bite soft as my go-to string for awhile now. Though a shoulder injury/minor surgery that has me on a current layoff has me kind of wishing I still had the 7G around as a return-to-the-game option initially, as it's so kind on the arm. Will always be one of my all-time faves. Does it all.

 

[mikeler]

It took a pro stock Radical, slightly extended, to pull me away from the 7G, and I've had tour bite soft as my go-to string for awhile now. Though a shoulder injury/minor surgery that has me on a current layoff has me kind of wishing I still had the 7G around as a return-to-the-game option initially, as it's so kind on the arm. Will always be one of my all-time faves. Does it all.

Gads, just say no to extended length. I know you took care of my 7Gs for a little while but with any shoulder issues, I'd avoid XL like the plague. Get well.

 

[Power Player]

Gads- stock Wilson pro staff 95 will be perfect for your return. soft, low SW, light, customizable.

 

[JGads]

Gads, just say no to extended length. I know you took care of my 7Gs for a little while but with any shoulder issues, I'd avoid XL like the plague. Get well.

You think it was the extended length? I feel like my issue was simple overuse, stupidly overdoing it on practicing crazy amounts of serves, buckets of balls, etc. and not adequately strengthening/stretching the opposing muscles. And my sticks are only 27.25 and I choke up slightly, so not sure if length was key issue. But will be discussing this much more with docs/PTs etc before I get back into it.

 

[JGads]

Gads- stock Wilson pro staff 95 will be perfect for your return. soft, low SW, light, customizable.

Definitely a candidate. Love the feel, just wish it was more ... Punchy than it is.

 

[mawashi]

Canadad, just saw you tried the 360 SW mod..thats awesome. Hehe. Yeah it was too much for me as well, and I was still figuring out SW at that point and what worked for me. I have since found that 328-335 range is best for me.

But the 7g is real easy to bump up the SW since its pretty HL.

I can't do XL sticks..tried multiple times. Recent one was the POG long body. I always love it at first, but a few weeks in it just falls apart. That was what ended up getting me with the 7g. Still, I consider it to be one of the best sticks out there. Great feel, power, good on the arm, just a fantastic racquet.

What's stopping you cutting off the extra length?

 

[canadad]

Canadad, just saw you tried the 360 SW mod..thats awesome. Hehe. Yeah it was too much for me as well, and I was still figuring out SW at that point and what worked for me. I have since found that 328-335 range is best for me.

But the 7g is real easy to bump up the SW since its pretty HL.

I can't do XL sticks..tried multiple times. Recent one was the POG long body. I always love it at first, but a few weeks in it just falls apart. That was what ended up getting me with the 7g. Still, I consider it to be one of the best sticks out there. Great feel, power, good on the arm, just a fantastic racquet.

The 360 mod proved a little too sluggish for me. I think the 7G is the only extended stick that I have tried that does not feel that extended. Even the Ki5x felt longer and the PDR+ did felt very long in comparison. I am able to whip around on my 1hbd with the 7G, something I was failing to do, especially with the PDR+.

It took a pro stock Radical, slightly extended, to pull me away from the 7G, and I've had tour bite soft as my go-to string for awhile now. Though a shoulder injury/minor surgery that has me on a current layoff has me kind of wishing I still had the 7G around as a return-to-the-game option initially, as it's so kind on the arm. Will always be one of my all-time faves. Does it all.

I find that the 7G is great on the arm and I have not had any issues at all. The extended-ness has not been a factor for me. I have even tried full poly and it was been fine(mind you it was TBS). I hope your shoulder gets better fast, injuries are quite the bummer. Don't be tempted any PED's to aid in recovery.

 

[mikeler]

You think it was the extended length? I feel like my issue was simple overuse, stupidly overdoing it on practicing crazy amounts of serves, buckets of balls, etc. and not adequately strengthening/stretching the opposing muscles. And my sticks are only 27.25 and I choke up slightly, so not sure if length was key issue. But will be discussing this much more with docs/PTs etc before I get back into it.

It was probably the reasons you mentioned but I definitely would not use XL until your shoulder is back to normal after a few months on the court. Why take a chance.

 

[Power Player]

What's stopping you cutting off the extra length?

Lengthening and shortening a racquet is one mod I just never have tried or will have the desire to do.

Plus there are standard length sticks that deliver for me on the level of the 7G, so it wasn't a must.

 

[jgb3363]

Lengthening and shortening a racquet is one mod I just never have tried or will have the desire to do.

Plus there are standard length sticks that deliver for me on the level of the 7G, so it wasn't a must.

I took the plunge and cut the 7g down to standard length a week ago. Rebalanced, new grip, I'll report on results. I hope I haven't ruined it...

 

[scotus]

I took the plunge and cut the 7g down to standard length a week ago. Rebalanced, new grip, I'll report on results. I hope I haven't ruined it...

I hope you took out the Kinetic-granule chamber before taking the saw to the handle.

 

[jgb3363]

I hope you took out the Kinetic-granule chamber before taking the saw to the handle.

Yes- out, shortened, back in again.

 

[crazyups]

Hey canadad, I have a ki q5 315 grams for the times that I don't want to use extended. The pro 7g feels better, softer, but I like the q5. I found that I have to keep a pretty loose grip on it otherwise racquet head speed suffers and it feels cumbersome for some reason. I don't get that with Crusher however. Strange. But the q5 is still very good. Wonder if you still have one and how do you find it? I took the grips off of both my prokennex's and use 2 over grips(tournagrip) because that decreases weight and still absorbs sweat.

 

[canadad]

Hey canadad, I have a ki q5 315 grams for the times that I don't want to use extended. The pro 7g feels better, softer, but I like the q5. I found that I have to keep a pretty loose grip on it otherwise racquet head speed suffers and it feels cumbersome for some reason. I don't get that with Crusher however. Strange. But the q5 is still very good. Wonder if you still have one and how do you find it? I took the grips off of both my prokennex's and use 2 over grips(tournagrip) because that decreases weight and still absorbs sweat.

Hello crazyups, I no longer have a Q5. I did like it when I had it though. I felt it had good power and a bigger sweet-spot than the 7G. I just felt more connected to the ball and more consistent with the 7G. With the 7G I could serve and return better. The Q5 felt stiffer and more modern. I was generating better topspin with the Q5, but better stretching out for balls out wide with the 7G. I think that I have to agree that there was a slight clunky-ness part to the Q5, very slight though. As for grip, I tend to prefer the tacky kind rather than the absorbent. I prefer Yonex Super Grap to Tourna. I don't think I am that sensitive to notice weight with grips. If anything I would prefer adding more weight to the Q5, but that is my personal preference.
I have been toying with the Wilson Steam 99S on the side, while I am able to hit a fairly consistent ball with it, it is too light and the lack of plow is annoying. Not to mention the crazy amount of strings you break with the 99S. When I switch back to my 7G's, it is like coming back home.

 

[crazyups]

Well, the pro 7g will be my extended length racquet. However, I still need a standard length racquet in the bag for the times when extended isn't working(usually when I get tired and footwork suffers). The PDR 2012 standard length is the one. The ki q5 is okay but sometimes just feels off. The 7g(crusher) is just so addictive and fun. Seems like the new ki q5x is almost the same but higher swing weight. I am pretty sure it would feel great like 7g because when I tried swinging my q5 in the air a few times with the butt handle in the middle of my palm(making it about a half an inch longer) it felt much better, like the 7g.

 

[scotus]

Well, the pro 7g will be my extended length racquet. However, I still need a standard length racquet in the bag for the times when extended isn't working(usually when I get tired and footwork suffers). The PDR 2012 standard length is the one. The ki q5 is okay but sometimes just feels off. The 7g(crusher) is just so addictive and fun. Seems like the new ki q5x is almost the same but higher swing weight. I am pretty sure it would feel great like 7g because when I tried swinging my q5 in the air a few times with the butt handle in the middle of my palm(making it about a half an inch longer) it felt much better, like the 7g.

If you're looking for a standard-length version of 7G, the first place to look is the 5G.