I start my coaching career tomorrow

Ihatetennis

Hall of Fame
Hey guys

I posted an ad for tennis lessons 30$ an hour and I have found a family im very excited to teach

3 times a week with 3 boys 5 8 and 10 year olds

I'm very excited because they are young and I can give them the proper strokes to succeed, a proper backhand...not s roddick Americanized backhand. And a proper forehand, effortless and full of potential for spin and power

As well as the serve, calm lower body with fast wrist snap(ivanisevic)

I can't wait to work with these kids for the next year, I am very excited mainly with teaching the young ones 5 and 8 is perfect to start, 10 is a little late but he will be able to hit with his brothers as they improve
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
$30/hr is very reasonable assuming you provide quality instruction. :)

i've seen lots of coaches who can't even hit strokes properly provide terrible instruction. hopefully you won't be one of these types.
 

Ihatetennis

Hall of Fame
$30/hr is very reasonable assuming you provide quality instruction. :)

i've seen lots of coaches who can't even hit strokes properly provide terrible instruction. hopefully you won't be one of these types.
Haha I could never be like that.

I'm a senior in highschool. And I remeber how having a coach that really understood tennis helped me tremendously

And I want to be like that to them, my coach has been with me on and off for about 8 years. But he gave me a solid base that really got me to a top notch level

Ntrp somewhere around 5.5-6.0 I think, as I have beaten some 5.0 players 6-0 6-0

I just want to get the kids the best fundamentals so that they have a ceiling much higher than most other players in their age group
 

Ihatetennis

Hall of Fame
And I wanted to make it reasonable for the parents to be able to provide a lot of lessons to their kids

Most coaches are 55$+

I figured I could do more to help them if I charge less, and let's face it having 90$ committed a week as a senior is pretty substantial
 

10s talk

Semi-Pro
for kids keep it simple and make it fun

Try shipwreck, Adios, and racket race....send me a private message and I can explain these games
 

Ash_Smith

Legend
All the best for your new career (fyi - 10 is never too late to start a sport that will open doors and bring enjoyment for a lifetime)
 

SoBad

G.O.A.T.
Yet another 6.0 looking for tennis tips and instruction from a bunch of 3.0s and 3.5s. Not unusual these days.
 

Ihatetennis

Hall of Fame
Haha looking for fun drills to do

I can teach the strokes, when I was little I knew I wanted to be good, so hard work was fun

But other kids are different
 

Ihatetennis

Hall of Fame
Yet another 6.0 looking for tennis tips and instruction from a bunch of 3.0s and 3.5s. Not unusual these days.
Tennis tips hah not really, not sure how to coach little kids that well, I've worked with mainly my younger sister but even then she's only 2 years younger
 

Ash_Smith

Legend
Tennis tips hah not really, not sure how to coach little kids that well, I've worked with mainly my younger sister but even then she's only 2 years younger
If you want to be a great coach and not just a good one, then reflect on every lesson you give and not only about what they did, but more importantly what you did and how they reacted to it.

Few tips for coaching kids:
1) Kids are kids - let them be kids! They love to play, experiment, try stuff, solve problems - use this enthusiasm for learning (even if they don't realise they are learning!) If you try and drill, drill, drill like a sergeant major you'll likely put them off the sport for life (the odd child excepted of course - but your people reading skills need to be on point to spot if you have a kid who can be treated that way and enjoy it).
2) Help them play tennis as soon as possible - tennis is all about playing the game, get them playing asap - even if it is by rolling the ball along the floor or rallying with a ballon or playing catch over a small net - get them playing the game, help them look at space, have them experiment with different ways of sending and receiving.
3) Listen! Ask good questions and LISTEN to the answers - don't listen for the answer you're looking for, actually listen and take an interest in what they have to say - question more - you'll probably learn a lot from them as they do from you. Aim for them to speak way more than you do each lesson.
4) 60-70% success is your golden learning zone - any less than that and they are too challenged and will likely be put off, any more and you are not creating enough of a challenge.

Reading that back, I might have to go coaching kids again!
 
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sureshs

Bionic Poster
You are only a senior in high school yet are sure about how bad Roddick's backhand was. Somehow doesn't seem to be the right attitude.
 

Ihatetennis

Hall of Fame
5.5 or 6.0 as a senior in HS? Really? Are you a 5-star or blue chip recruit? What is your UTR (must be 13 or 14, right)?
It's actuakly 12

But might be 13 next time rating changes


Lesson went well, I talked to the kids and just had them do small drills for 40 minutes

Then we played mini tennis for 20 minutes, they seemed to really enjoy it

There were 2 today

The 10 year old loves tennis and tried hard

The 8 year old is just a natural, after 5 minutes was serving well with continental grip(started at triphy position) was making solid contact cleanly with the sweet spot 7/10 times, and in the service box 4/10 times

This kid is 8

They have a really good feel for the ball, touch shots were really good as they actually beat me in mini tennis

First to 30 they started at 15
 

Ihatetennis

Hall of Fame
Since I'm not able to coach them as much as they need their parents are enrolling them in a tennis program after school, I told them which to go to. And the cosch there was a former player on tour, actually is friends with Kevin anderson(South African)
 
It's actuakly 12

But might be 13 next time rating changes


Lesson went well, I talked to the kids and just had them do small drills for 40 minutes

Then we played mini tennis for 20 minutes, they seemed to really enjoy it

There were 2 today

The 10 year old loves tennis and tried hard

The 8 year old is just a natural, after 5 minutes was serving well with continental grip(started at triphy position) was making solid contact cleanly with the sweet spot 7/10 times, and in the service box 4/10 times

This kid is 8

They have a really good feel for the ball, touch shots were really good as they actually beat me in mini tennis

First to 30 they started at 15
Some friendly advice: if you want to last in the coaching business, don't lie about your abilities. Your UTR is not close to 12.
 

AHJS

Professional
Some friendly advice: if you want to last in the coaching business, don't lie about your abilities. Your UTR is not close to 12.
If I'm thinking of the right guy, I think Ihatetennis is a 2 star recruit. Correct me if I am wrong though Ihatetennis.
 

Ihatetennis

Hall of Fame
If I'm thinking of the right guy, I think Ihatetennis is a 2 star recruit. Correct me if I am wrong though Ihatetennis.
haha I have many wins at my academy, I switched coaches and have been beating 5.0 players, my utr is going up, only close scores this year and only real lose was to a 15 utr from Mexico

I'm playing at that level

Just wait for it to show up

Could be 13, or so my coach has told me. I'm not sure how they calculate it. But I'm excited to see, it shows it s lot better than tnr, in which I've had close scores with basic okay every player except a 5 star early in the summer

Same 15 utr
 

anhuynh16

Hall of Fame
haha I have many wins at my academy, I switched coaches and have been beating 5.0 players, my utr is going up, only close scores this year and only real lose was to a 15 utr from Mexico

I'm playing at that level

Just wait for it to show up

Could be 13, or so my coach has told me. I'm not sure how they calculate it. But I'm excited to see, it shows it s lot better than tnr, in which I've had close scores with basic okay every player except a 5 star early in the summer

Same 15 utr
I don't mean to be rude in any way, but don't fake being a "5.5-6.0" or a theoretical 12 or 13 UTR because you aren't even close. You wanted tips, so like someone said above, just be honest.
 

navigator

Hall of Fame
If I'm thinking of the right guy, I think Ihatetennis is a 2 star recruit. Correct me if I am wrong though Ihatetennis.
Does anyone who plays junior tennis give a rip about UTR and NTRP ratings? If the OP is that good then he plays tournaments and has a state, regional and national ranking. So, let's keep it simple: what are they? I'm not doubting he's a very good player, but if he is - particularly as a junior - it will be reflected in his rankings. Discussion of OP's "level" at this point should be completely unnecessary, right?
 
haha I have many wins at my academy, I switched coaches and have been beating 5.0 players, my utr is going up, only close scores this year and only real lose was to a 15 utr from Mexico

I'm playing at that level

Just wait for it to show up

Could be 13, or so my coach has told me. I'm not sure how they calculate it. But I'm excited to see, it shows it s lot better than tnr, in which I've had close scores with basic okay every player except a 5 star early in the summer

Same 15 utr
Your UTR is 8. This is very easy to verify considering your name is findable based on your posts on TT. It would be even easier for the parents of the kids you're teaching because they definitely know your name. Unless you want to risk developing a bad reputation, don't lie about your abilities.
 
Hey guys

I posted an ad for tennis lessons 30$ an hour and I have found a family im very excited to teach

3 times a week with 3 boys 5 8 and 10 year olds

I'm very excited because they are young and I can give them the proper strokes to succeed, a proper backhand...not s roddick Americanized backhand. And a proper forehand, effortless and full of potential for spin and power

As well as the serve, calm lower body with fast wrist snap(ivanisevic)

I can't wait to work with these kids for the next year, I am very excited mainly with teaching the young ones 5 and 8 is perfect to start, 10 is a little late but he will be able to hit with his brothers as they improve
I'm happy for you. As for Roddick's backhand, he used a two-handed backhand. Everyone should emulate Federer who hits backhands with an upside-down rainbow-like motion.
 

Javier92

New User
Good to see you're enjoying teaching. This is the most important stuff ! If you're enjoying teaching they'll enjoy learning.
Here are some good coach memories ? hth :)

1. They're kids, they need images, mnemonics, easy stuff they can rely on when everything goes wrong. My 1st tennis teacher, an old spaniard stopped drills everytime I was not moving to the ball the right way. He stamped on the ground yelling "pierna pierna pierna !".
Everytime I find myself with a lazy footwork today I still remember him :) .
I'm sure you'll find funny stuff like that to help them remember important things. If they laugh when you use such mnemonics : u can be sure they're having fun & u can also be sure they'll remember it.

2. You should communicate ur tennis passion. For that matter, u can use pro players pictures to help u. Kids need idols, players they can refer to. Use pictures, posters. I remember learning my 2HBH ending thx to a poster of Kafelnikov with his left elbow in front of his eyes.


3. You should be their coach & also their friends. You should be strict, obviously, and teach them to be rigorous. But keep in mind they'll learn faster if u're their friends and they enjoy playing with u.
Example : I was a very anxious kid when I was adolescent. And sometimes tennis lessons were a disaster : mishitting, getting anxious, getting angry, ...
1 of my tennis teacher yelled at me that I should be calm (paradox...). Desastrous effect... Another 1 though, recognized when I was "tilting" and stopped the drill right away. Fetched soft balls from his bag and gave me easy balls on my FH, telling me : "Ok now u're angry, just hit as hard as you can, idc where the ball goes, just hit as hard/dumb as a donkey". That was exactly what I needed, he acted as a friend, not as a teacher.

4. Since they're young, u'll be their model until they're able to "build" their game on their own.
So be very very careful about how you play, obviously... Example : I was a huge fan of the heavy crossed slice FH my teacher was hitting when he was really outflanked by his opponents, you know the "last chance defensive slice". And I was sometimes being lazy on my footwork, just so that I'm away from the ball and can try to hit that FH.

Be also careful about your language, body language and mindset. Kids are sponges at this age. They'll mimic whatever they see. For instance, don't be harsh on yourself. Don't use words like "that sucked, I sucked, that was bad, ...". Always be positive.
It'll help them alot to build a positive mindset. Correct bad attitudes as soon as u're seeing them. It can be as obvious as dropping the racquet but also being passive/agressive, or even just sad.
Be aware of that, and learn how to react with the kids properly:encouraging them on their next good hit, switching drill, ...


hth, hope u'll be a very good coach !
 

sovertennis

Semi-Pro
Does anyone who plays junior tennis give a rip about UTR and NTRP ratings? If the OP is that good then he plays tournaments and has a state, regional and national ranking. So, let's keep it simple: what are they? I'm not doubting he's a very good player, but if he is - particularly as a junior - it will be reflected in his rankings. Discussion of OP's "level" at this point should be completely unnecessary, right?
Agreed, except that the OP made claims about his level that seemed aggrandized and, considering the topic (coaching little kids), entirely inappropriate and meaningless. His purported playing level has nothing to do with his ability to coach small kids.
 

indianballer

Semi-Pro
Poster does not seem to be talking about his tennis level in this thread. Only when others asked about it.
Also, what does his level have anything to do with how he can help the kids? It seems a lot of tw posters love to argue incessantly about their own level and put down other players tennis level. Frankly I have only seen a few videos of any players here I would consider advanced. Most videos of players on here are intermediate to beginner level players.
 

Alien

Hall of Fame
Indeed this is about teaching, not ntrp.

Be careful with the 5 years old. Mine is that age, he goes to a tennis school and at leasyt 50% of it is coordination and physical entertaining rather than tennis. I tend to believe he enjoys that part more than the tennis itself. They love playing and laughing at that age more than hitting. Unless of course he is exceptional like Nole or another champion.
 
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Congrats ihatetennis, on starting your teaching career,... your students will be lucky to have you.

Wow, I'm amazed that folks are really focusing in on his NTRP claims, while missing the point of the original question... as if his NTRP claims are an attack on our own NTRP rating.

I don't know the difference between "N star recruit" or "UTR #", or what a "blue chip" player is... but I can say I did have the pleasure of hitting with him when he was visiting to see the US Open. He smoked me. More importantly he smoked me in a more convincing way than other 5.0's I hit with, usually beat me. The 5.0's I hit with are very steady, play high percentage, but I generally always feel "in it" (eg. on my racquet to lose)... whereas with Ihatetennis, I never felt "in it", and was always being jerked around the court despite (what I thought was) a good shot I might have hit. If i had to pinpoint the biggest difference, it's that he's faster and better shape than other 5.0's I play, so he's getting to the ball waaaay earlier, and able to set up bigger shots.

Whether he's a 5.5 or 6.0 I guess only time (in college) will tell (http://www.starislandtennis.com/ntrp-rating-chart.html)... but he's definitely qualified (skillwise) to teach through the 4.0 level (which includes kids 5-10yrs old in case anyone is questioning the kid's NTRP ratings).

My advice with kids (especially the young ones)... make it fun, and try to hide the fact that you're teaching them something. Not exactly hit and giggle, but structured games that focus on some component of the game. Sounds like you're students are really into tennis... my kids are not, so when I go out on the court, I focus on the fun part, and am happy if they do 1 or 2 things I ask them to. Also work with the parents, and let them know what each drill is trying to accomplish.. some parents I work with are not happy if the kid is not doing the full unitturn/loop/windshieldwiper/etc... from day one (because that's what they googled). Helps too, to give the parents "homework" to play with their kids. I have a couple kids, whose parents clearly don't even play catch with their kids since the kids are lacking in basic coordination (compared to say my kids,... who are not particularly gifted).
 
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BMC9670

Hall of Fame
Good luck! I'm not a professional coach, but I do work with my own kids and several of their peers. Two pieces of advice:

1. Change your username. If you join a tennis forum with the username "Ihatetenis", you are obviously joking, but this type of humor is lost on kids. ALWAYS be positive and upbeat. No sarcasm.

2. Insurance. Gets some. If you are being paid to teach independently, you are likely using public courts or renting courts at a club. The chances of something happening and you being sued are slim, but ours is a litigious culture and you should protect yourself. One option is to join the USPTA, take an online test to get a recreational coaching certification and buy liability insurance through them for a very low price.

Again, good luck. And remember, teaching kids is the fun/easy part. Dealing with the parents can be challenging.
 
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Deleted member 23235

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Good luck! I'm not a professional coach, but I do work with my own kids and several of their peers. Two pieces of advice:

1. Change your username. If you join a tennis forum with the username "Ihatetenis", you are obviously joking, but this type of humor is lost on kids. ALWAYS be positive and upbeat. No sarcasm.

2. Insurance. Gets some. If you are being paid to teach independently, you are likely using public courts or renting courts at a club. The chances of something happening and you being sued are slim, but ours is a litigious culture and you should protect yourself. One option is to join the USPTA, take an online test to get a recreational coaching certification and buy liability insurance through them for a very low price.

Again, good luck. And remember, teaching kids is the fun/easy part. Dealing with the parents can be challenging.
Oh good point about the insurance... I bought mine via PTR.
 

julian

Hall of Fame
Good luck! I'm not a professional coach, but I do work with my own kids and several of their peers. Two pieces of advice:

1. Change your username. If you join a tennis forum with the username "Ihatetenis", you are obviously joking, but this type of humor is lost on kids. ALWAYS be positive and upbeat. No sarcasm.

2. Insurance. Gets some. If you are being paid to teach independently, you are likely using public courts or renting courts at a club. The chances of something happening and you being sued are slim, but ours is a litigious culture and you should protect yourself. One option is to join the USPTA, take an online test to get a recreational coaching certification and buy liability insurance through them for a very low price.

Again, good luck. And remember, teaching kids is the fun/easy part. Dealing with the parents can be challenging.
Btw USPTA has a condition that one has to be 18 years old to be certified or be a candidate to be certified.

Good luck! I'm not a professional coach, but I do work with my own kids and several of their peers. Two pieces of advice:

1. Change your username. If you join a tennis forum with the username "Ihatetenis", you are obviously joking, but this type of humor is lost on kids. ALWAYS be positive and upbeat. No sarcasm.

2. Insurance. Gets some. If you are being paid to teach independently, you are likely using public courts or renting courts at a club. The chances of something happening and you being sued are slim, but ours is a litigious culture and you should protect yourself. One option is to join the USPTA, take an online test to get a recreational coaching certification and buy liability insurance through them for a very low price.

Again, good luck. And remember, teaching kids is the fun/easy part. Dealing with the parents can be challenging.
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navigator

Hall of Fame
Poster does not seem to be talking about his tennis level in this thread. Only when others asked about it.
Also, what does his level have anything to do with how he can help the kids? It seems a lot of tw posters love to argue incessantly about their own level and put down other players tennis level. Frankly I have only seen a few videos of any players here I would consider advanced. Most videos of players on here are intermediate to beginner level players.
Agreed, but... if someone does ask about his level then he should be honest about it, and there appears to be a considerable discrepancy... but, no, this shouldn't hamper his ability to teach kids.
 
If you want to be a great coach and not just a good one, then reflect on every lesson you give and not only about what they did, but more importantly what you did and how they reacted to it.

Few tips for coaching kids:
1) Kids are kids - let them be kids! They love to play, experiment, try stuff, solve problems - use this enthusiasm for learning (even if they don't realise they are learning!) If you try and drill, drill, drill like a sergeant major you'll likely put them off the sport for life (the odd child excepted of course - but your people reading skills need to be on point to spot if you have a kid who can be treated that way and enjoy it).
2) Help them play tennis as soon as possible - tennis is all about playing the game, get them playing asap - even if it is by rolling the ball along the floor or rallying with a ballon or playing catch over a small net - get them playing the game, help them look at space, have them experiment with different ways of sending and receiving.
3) Listen! Ask good questions and LISTEN to the answers - don't listen for the answer you're looking for, actually listen and take an interest in what they have to say - question more - you'll probably learn a lot from them as they do from you. Aim for them to speak way more than you do each lesson.
4) 60-70% success is your golden learning zone - any less than that and they are too challenged and will likely be put off, any more and you are not creating enough of a challenge.

Reading that back, I might have to go coaching kids again!
Ash, for "4) 60-70% success is your golden learning zone", do you mean 60-70% success in the drills the students do, or 60-70% win rate in practice matches, or both? Thanks!
 
Wow, I'm amazed that folks are really focusing in on his NTRP claims, while missing the point of the original question... as if his NTRP claims are an attack on our own NTRP rating.
It isn't about how good he is. I'm sure he's a very good player and a good teacher too. If he wants to claim a certain NTRP level without having a computer rating, who cares? But he shouldn't say to other people (such as the parents of his students) that his level on a certain rating system is 12 when anyone who knows his name can go on that website and find out his level is really 8. It makes him seem dishonest, and people will wonder if he's dishonest about that, then what else is he being dishonest about? It's better he gets called out on it here, on a nonthreatening tennis forum where he's (relatively) anonymous, than in real life where there can be real consequences.
 

indianballer

Semi-Pro
It isn't about how good he is. I'm sure he's a very good player and a good teacher too. If he wants to claim a certain NTRP level without having a computer rating, who cares? But he shouldn't say to other people (such as the parents of his students) that his level on a certain rating system is 12 when anyone who knows his name can go on that website and find out his level is really 8. It makes him seem dishonest, and people will wonder if he's dishonest about that, then what else is he being dishonest about? It's better he gets called out on it here, on a nonthreatening tennis forum where he's (relatively) anonymous, than in real life where there can be real consequences.
He was saying on tw what his rating is. I did not read he was telling the kids parents his tennis level. Or was he?
 

indianballer

Semi-Pro
Agreed, but... if someone does ask about his level then he should be honest about it, and there appears to be a considerable discrepancy... but, no, this shouldn't hamper his ability to teach kids.
Tw has a ntrp sliding scale. So it is completely normal to say you are a 5.5 when you really are a 4.5. I have read enough on here to know that. Even people with video still insist crazy ratings. How do we even know his real level anyways? Did someone search it out? That is kind of disturbing as well if that is the case.
 

wings56

Hall of Fame
It isn't about how good he is. I'm sure he's a very good player and a good teacher too. If he wants to claim a certain NTRP level without having a computer rating, who cares? But he shouldn't say to other people (such as the parents of his students) that his level on a certain rating system is 12 when anyone who knows his name can go on that website and find out his level is really 8. It makes him seem dishonest, and people will wonder if he's dishonest about that, then what else is he being dishonest about? It's better he gets called out on it here, on a nonthreatening tennis forum where he's (relatively) anonymous, than in real life where there can be real consequences.
Absolutely true.
 
Tw has a ntrp sliding scale. So it is completely normal to say you are a 5.5 when you really are a 4.5. I have read enough on here to know that. Even people with video still insist crazy ratings. How do we even know his real level anyways? Did someone search it out? That is kind of disturbing as well if that is the case.
Exaggerating your self-rated NTRP isn't the same thing as lying about an actual rating. It didn't take anything special to find his rating. He's already let people know his name in other threads and that he's a 2 star recruit in high school. From what I know, 2 star recruits are not 5.5-6.0 players and don't have UTR ratings of 12. So I checked the UTR site.
 

indianballer

Semi-Pro
Exaggerating your self-rated NTRP isn't the same thing as lying about an actual rating. It didn't take anything special to find his rating. He's already let people know his name in other threads and that he's a 2 star recruit in high school. From what I know, 2 star recruits are not 5.5-6.0 players and don't have UTR ratings of 12. So I checked the UTR site.
Ok but still. nice detective work?
 

sovertennis

Semi-Pro
Exaggerating your self-rated NTRP isn't the same thing as lying about an actual rating. It didn't take anything special to find his rating. He's already let people know his name in other threads and that he's a 2 star recruit in high school. From what I know, 2 star recruits are not 5.5-6.0 players and don't have UTR ratings of 12. So I checked the UTR site.
Yes. Perhaps he'll learn that his credibility is important as he enters Week 2 of his tennis teaching career.
 
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