I still can't believe how much Djokovic achieved in the last 10 years

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Razer said:
Yes Federer and Nole are superior in endurance to the field.

Nole has more stamina, thats it, Federer has super quick reflexes, apart from this they are evenly matched.
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Would not surprise if they are all on PEDs. That's the reality of professional sports.
 
Credit for the wins and the strategy. But it's also unprecedented he's won so many of his slams after turning 28/30. Becker/edberg could not due to the emergence of Sampras/agassi/courier. Sampras decided he was done early after a few losses including to safin and fed, and agassi lost a few to fedal. Of course they were also similar age co-atgs playing at the same time.

Djoks later slam trajectory could have been more challenging with a same age co goat, like a higher level Murray or healthier wawrinka at slams. Once nadal declined physically outside clay as expected, there wasn't much of a challenge around.
 
robthai said:
If you watched peak Fed, his agility was so much better that when he would cough up short balls on his tops spin backhand, his opponent still could not exploit that open court because his recovery speed made up for it. Fed's backhand will not crack because he can just use slice and bait Novak while playing high percentage tennis, something he couldn't afford to do in his 30s. We have already seen Fed beat Novak when he had the smaller racket and that was peak Novak. So why is it difficult to see that a younger Fed would have a much easier time against Novak? If you look at the rally dynamic of how Djokovic wins a lot of easy points against Old Fed, you will notice that Djokovic will camp on the deuce side of the court and target Fed's backhand keeping him pinned until he Djokovic decides there is enough open court to go to the forehand of Fed, and Feds legs don't have the speed to make the recovery so Novak either ends up hitting a clean winner of Fed nets a forehand forced error or coughs up an easy short ball for Novak to punish him. But from 2008-2012 whenever Djokovic tried this tactic, Fed still had the speed and forehand to reach the ball and CRUSH it taking Novak off guard with either a forehand winner or putting Novak on defense. This was the biggest key in their match up during the latter years of their rivalry. Such a thing would never happen to Fed when he was a superior athlete in his 20s than 30s.
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Technically you are right but there is no way to prove this would happen if they are aged same. If Federer grew up with Novak & Rafa then we can be sure than Nadal would be a bigger pain for Federer than he was for Novak, then we also know that Novak is firm as a rock mentally, no matter how much aptitude the other player has over him early on he always finds a way, slow and steady but he does find a way. A guy like that cannot be put down, remember Federer was older and had all the confidence of winning and the weight of slams behind him to exert pressure on Djokodal, if they are aged same then this headstart/confidence which he has had vanishes too. We cannot be sure how players will mature, that is why we should never dwell on hypotheticals which cannot be proven. If numbers are beaten then so be it, whoever has better numbers has earned it.
 
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ND-13 said:
It will always remain a question why peak Djokovic at age 20-26/27 won only 6 majors and age 27/28-36 winning 16 majors.
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First answer a question how he did it in 2011 when it was hardest possible.
After that it will come to you naturally
 
The last few years, Djokovic has been dominant at AO and W. Unlike RG, where he challenged Nadal. They've met the past 3 years at RG, but haven't met at AO & W since '19 AO.
 
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Djokovic had 3 great years (11, 15, 21) where he won 3 slams.

Federer had 3 years where he won 3 slams, during those years Roddick was the second best player.

Nadal had 1 year where he won 3 slams, but that was before Djokovic became a perennial slam winner.
 
nachiket nolefam said:
Federer and Nole are pretty even ability wise. If both were born in same era, both will split titles evenly I believe.
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Ehh maybe but probably not. Smart money would bet on Fed winning more titles. We saw that peak Djokovic could barely hang with/ occasionally lose to Geriatric Fed. Everyone knows Fed is the more talented player with the superior strokes
 
initialize said:
Ehh maybe but probably not. Smart money would bet on Fed winning more titles. We saw that peak Djokovic could barely hang with/ occasionally lose to Geriatric Fed. Everyone knows Fed is the more talented player with the superior strokes
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30 year old Fed won against peak 2011 Djokovic on clay. Shame that we will never see what peak 2006 Fed would do with Djokovic at Wimb and USO.
 
ND-13 said:
It will always remain a question why peak Djokovic at age 20-26/27 won only 6 majors and age 27/28-36 winning 16 majors.
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Worthy of it's own thread. In a nutshell, declined fedal and weaker competition. Even someone like an emerging safin level talent without the daily commitment was beating a declining early 30s atg Sampras. There's not been anyone like that against djoko. Even his peers, Wawrinka wasn't consistently healthy and Murray was not a difficult match up on hard and clay.
 
sportsfan1 said:
Worthy of it's own thread. In a nutshell, declined fedal and weaker competition. Even someone like an emerging safin level talent without the daily commitment was beating a declining early 30s atg Sampras. There's not been anyone like that against djoko. Even his peers, Wawrinka wasn't consistently healthy and Murray was not a difficult match up on hard and clay.
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Why does it need its own thread? He won 6/11 Slam finals in 2011-2014, won 5/7 in 2015-2016, and then 10/12 from 2018 to the present. It's really the 2012-2014 period where he underperformed in finals despite being #1 most of the time, and why he didn't storm ahead much sooner. It's not rocket science and he beat top players at a rapid rate, much faster than Federer and also already left Federer in the dust in top 10 wins despite playing 260 less matches. So this idea that it's some weak era that allowed this despite him dominating the head to heads against all his rivals since 2011, including Fedal, is just looking for excuses why he ended up with a better career than them.
 
ND-13 said:
It will always remain a question why peak Djokovic at age 20-26/27 won only 6 majors and age 27/28-36 winning 16 majors.
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Well for one thing - Federer’s prime years ended as Novak’s began.

It’s not rocket science.

Though it does testify to the potency of Rafa’s crazy early peak, he was able to battle Federer at Wimbledon in 2006-8 and keep Fed from RG at Fed’s peak.
 
Capitalized on an aging Fed and Nadal and playing bums like Anderson, Tsitsipas, Thiem, Berretinni, Kyrgios, Medvedev etc. if he plays Federer 2004-2007 and peak Nadal he wins jack ****.
 
DSH said:
If his country is poor, the millionaire Djokovic should pay his taxes in his native country, wouldn't that be the right thing to do?
:notworthy:
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He earned the money fair and square, he can live wherever he wants... Besides, the state didn't invest any money in him so he doesnt owe the state anything.. But he did donated huge amount so far in charity and he will live in Serbia after his career is ended.
 
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Ray Mercer said:
Capitalized on an aging Fed and Nadal and playing bums like Anderson, Tsitsipas, Thiem, Berretinni, Kyrgios, Medvedev etc. if he plays Federer 2004-2007 and peak Nadal he wins jack ****.
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Nadal wasn't in his peak 2011-2014? Who did Fed played 2004-2007? Roddick, Safin, Hewitt.... ? Even Murray is much tougher than them.
 
mahatma said:
Lol it's probably the first thread ever where hypothetical Fed is getting equal with Djokovic.

Pls no - hypofed is unbeatable. While actual Fed :)
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Fed always declared the winner before the matches are played. It’s always Fed will do this or that. It was the same before he played Djokovic in the big matches. They were all confident Fed would win and then when he didn’t they blamed it on age haha
 
Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
Fed always declared the winner before the matches are played. It’s always Fed will do this or that. It was the same before he played Djokovic in the big matches. They were all confident Fed would win and then when he didn’t they blamed it on age haha
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Sometimes mono, other times small racquet, some other times age, some really other times luck.. It goes on and on and on. Fedexcuse Brigade is relentless. :)
 
Unseeded Player said:
Than Fed should have done more in 2010's and Nadal outside clay.
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In 2010s Fed was already past his prime. Literally no one can argue otherwise. And Nadal has always been week outside of clay.

Again, it's not Fed's fault the Next and Lost Gen players were so weak. We should have had another ATG player in there to stop Djokovic from
vulturing, but we didn't. Hence why Nole is inflating his career
 
Unseeded Player said:
Hahahahaha...Novak showed them all who is the daddy in tennis..
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Yes, that is funny. He lost to Nadal at the USO in 2013 and never again faced him there. He lost to Murray at Wimbledon in 2013 and never again faced him there. But yes, Nole showed Murray who was the daddy in tennis at the AO, showed geriatric Federer who was the daddy in tennis at Wimbledon, and showed to the world that 90s-born players are mugs. Of course, Wawrinka showed to the world how small a "daddy in tennis" Nole really is. :laughing:
 
initialize said:
In 2010s Fed was already past his prime. Literally no one can argue otherwise. And Nadal has always been week outside of clay.

Again, it's not Fed's fault the Next and Lost Gen players were so weak. We should have had another ATG player in there to stop Djokovic from
vulturing, but we didn't. Hence why Nole is inflating his career
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He won AO17, WB17, AO18...Even outside prime he was still competitive for the title.. Novak raised the bar for the AO and WB.. Nadal won 8 slams outside clay, that is not weak...

Nadal is the same age as Novak and Nole had him from the start..Who did chalenged Fed from the older ATG's? Sampras retired in 2002, Agassi wasn't important factor since AO03..
The man with the best BIG TITLES-mickey mouse ratio in the history called vulture.You should retire like your idol did. Than why didn't Nadal took a WB over a decade?
 
duaneeo said:
Yes, that is funny. He lost to Nadal at the USO in 2013 and never again faced him there. He lost to Murray at Wimbledon in 2013 and never again faced him there. But yes, Nole showed Murray who was the daddy in tennis at the AO, showed geriatric Federer who was the daddy in tennis at Wimbledon, and showed to the world that 90s-born players are mugs. Of course, Wawrinka showed to the world how small a "daddy in tennis" Nole really is. :laughing:
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That is Rafa's last win against Nole on hard since than 0 sets against Nole on hard.. Haha.. Nadal didn't won WB over a decade... Haha...Fed didn't won AO in 7 years and his last US title was in 2008, with all 3 finals lost at WB despite being able to beat anyone else.. Haha...Fed defeated Nole last time at slams in 2012.. Haha.. Not even the help of Murray and Wawrinka was enough for Fedal... Hahaha...
 
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Unseeded Player said:
He won AO17, WB17, AO18...Even outside prime he was still competitive for the title.. Novak raised the bar for the AO and WB.. Nadal won 8 slams outside clay, that is not weak...

Nadal is the same age as Novak and Nole had him from the start..Who did chalenged Fed from the older ATG's? Sampras retired in 2002, Agassi wasn't important factor since AO03..
The man with the best BIG TITLES-mickey mouse ratio in the history called vulture.You should retire like your idol did. Than why didn't Nadal took a WB over a decade?
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Exactly -- Fed was outside of his prime but when you're the GOAT, you're still able to win titles by crushing mugs from time to time. Djokovic obviously benefitted from this the most since he's significantly younger than Fed
 
initialize said:
Exactly -- Fed was outside of his prime but when you're the GOAT, you're still able to win titles by crushing mugs from time to time. Djokovic obviously benefitted from this the most since he's significantly younger than Fed
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And with no Novak on your way.. Hahaha...Then why didn't Fed stopped him at WB like Novak stopped him at AO and US?
 
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