i think federer can win 2020 RG , only chance is thiem can beat nadal in SF

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don 't say the federer won 't even reached the 2020 RG sf
last year 's RG proved really good draw goes happen ,
federer easliy goes SF
so that bening sayed ,
i think that fed can win 2020 RG
if thiem goes nadal 's draw and thiem beat nadal in SF
federer beat djokovic in SF
don 't say federer can 't beat djokovic
2011 RG showed federer can beat djokovic in RG
hope is stil alive
 
Things can always change in sports, but with the kind of inconsistency he showed at AO, he stands no chance on clay. Federer looked really old at AO. I hope he bounces back and gets back to his level of at least last year by IW.
 
If by some miracle he avoided all 3 of Federer, Djokvoic, Thiem, all 3 who he 100% would lose against he might have a 5% chance. And even that is generous considering he should have lost to 2 mugs at his last hard court slam, and did lose to an actual mug the one before that.
 
don 't say the federer won 't even reached the 2020 RG sf
last year 's RG proved really good draw goes happen ,
federer easliy goes SF
so that bening sayed ,
i think that fed can win 2020 RG
if thiem goes nadal 's draw and thiem beat nadal in SF
federer beat djokovic in SF
don 't say federer can 't beat djokovic
2011 RG showed federer can beat djokovic in RG
hope is stil alive

Yes since 2020 Federer is the equivalent of 2011 Federer on clay, LMFAO!!! This is as hilarious as your hypocritical final.

Federer would not beat Thiem in a RG final, he couldn't even beat him in an Indian Wells final when he was playing way better tennis than he is right now.

Federer's chances to beat Djokovic and Thiem in consecutive matches on clay are probably as terrible as they are to beat Nadal in a RG encounter.
 
Of course he CAN win it, but to be honest Thiem is a big problem for him in recent matches, and not only on clay. I don’t even think it is more diffucult to beat Thiem on clay than elsewhere, but it actually is difficult everywhere.

So maybe Thiem and Nadal have to go out early for that to happen. And then we still have Djokovic as well...
 
Only 1 player can beat Federer at all 4 slams that is Djokovic. Nadal is the favorite over Federer only at the French. Thiem maybe a slight favorite over Fed there. Against anyone else at any other slam Fed is the favorite.
 
don 't say the federer won 't even reached the 2020 RG sf
last year 's RG proved really good draw goes happen ,
federer easliy goes SF
so that bening sayed ,
i think that fed can win 2020 RG
if thiem goes nadal 's draw and thiem beat nadal in SF
federer beat djokovic in SF
don 't say federer can 't beat djokovic
2011 RG showed federer can beat djokovic in RG
hope is stil alive

Argh. Not another "the Federer am be winning more slam" thread. You are constantly pushing pro-Federer threads when you--like everyone else--knows his time as a majors-capable days are coming to a close. Even if he manages to win one more, it is highly unlikely it would be at the French Open. Even at the height of his game, he only manage to win one, and everyone knows it was due to his not having to face the master of that event.
 
Considering Federer nearly lost to Millman and Sandgren in Australia (he wasn't injured during the Millman match) it would be a minor miracle if he somehow makes the semis again. Lets face it, making the semis last year was remarkable enough when he had not done that since 2012 already.
 
don 't say the federer won 't even reached the 2020 RG sf
last year 's RG proved really good draw goes happen ,
federer easliy goes SF
so that bening sayed ,
i think that fed can win 2020 RG
if thiem goes nadal 's draw and thiem beat nadal in SF
federer beat djokovic in SF
don 't say federer can 't beat djokovic
2011 RG showed federer can beat djokovic in RG
hope is stil alive
If wind there is not in SF RG 19, do you think the Fed wins?
I think he would have be a chance.
Too many winds in RG no good for Rogers.
 
Only 1 player can beat Federer at all 4 slams that is Djokovic. Nadal is the favorite over Federer only at the French. Thiem maybe a slight favorite over Fed there. Against anyone else at any other slam Fed is the favorite.
Stop being ridiculous. Of course Nadal can beat Federer in any Slam, he has beaten Federer in all Slams outside the USO. First, you don't need to be the favorite to defeat another player. Nadal was not the favorite against Federer in the WB 2008 and AO 2009 finals, yet he won both matches. Federer would be the favorite over Nadal at Wimbledon, but it doesn't mean Nadal can't beat him, and at the AO Nadal is the absolute favorite over 38 years old declined Federer nowadays. Federer had a poorer form than Nadal both at the AO 2018 and the AO 2019. And the idea that current Federer is the favorite over Nadal at the USO is laughable. Federer has failed to win the USO since 2008, while Nadal has won 4 US Open titles in the 2010s. No other player has won as many USO titles as Nadal in the 2010s, while Federer has failed to reach the USO final since 2015. So no, Federer would not be the favorite against Nadal at the USO.

And what the hell is the "Thiem maybe a slight favorite over Federer at RG"? Federer has absolutely zero chance to defeat Thiem at RG. Federer will never beat Thiem at RG.
 
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Stop being ridiculous. First, you don't need to be the favorite to defeat another player. Nadal was not the favorite against Federer in the WB 2008 and AO 2009 finals, yet he won both matches. And the idea that current Federer is the favorite over Nadal at the USO is laughable. Federer has failed to win the USO since 2008, while Nadal has won 4 US Open titles in the 2010s. No other player has won as many USO titles as Nadal in the 2010s, while Federer has failed to reach the USO final since 2015. So no, Federer would not be the favorite against Nadal at the USO.
I wouldn't be surprised if Nadal got revenge on Fed at Wimbledon too
 
Federer beating Rafa at the RG Final for #21.
That is everyone's dream.
Fed can retire after that. Nothing else left to be done.
 
Of course Federer can beat Djokovic at RG if they meet, but the chances are very, very low. That hasn't happened in 8 years, slam-wise, and his chances are worst at RG.
 
Stop being ridiculous. Of course Nadal can beat Federer in any Slam, he has beaten Federer in all Slams outside the USO. First, you don't need to be the favorite to defeat another player. Nadal was not the favorite against Federer in the WB 2008 and AO 2009 finals, yet he won both matches. Federer would be the favorite over Nadal at Wimbledon, but it doesn't mean Nadal can't beat him, and at the AO Nadal is the absolute favorite over 38 years old declined Federer nowadays. Federer had a poorer form than Nadal both at the AO 2018 and the AO 2019. And the idea that current Federer is the favorite over Nadal at the USO is laughable. Federer has failed to win the USO since 2008, while Nadal has won 4 US Open titles in the 2010s. No other player has won as many USO titles as Nadal in the 2010s, while Federer has failed to reach the USO final since 2015. So no, Federer would not be the favorite against Nadal at the USO.

And what the hell is the "Thiem maybe a slight favorite over Federer at RG"? Federer has absolutely zero chance to defeat Thiem at RG. Federer will never beat Thiem at RG.


First of all, do you go always go straight into attack mode when presenting your viewpoint? Secondly, did you read the wording of my post. I used the word "favorite" in a match up, not a 100%, definite winner. Federer was an overwhelming favorite against Dimitrov at the US Open and lost so yes if Dimitrov can beat Federer than so can Nadal.

I still stand by my statement that Federer is the favorite over Nadal at the Hard court and Grass court slams. This is backed by the fact that Federer is 5-0 against Nadal in their last 5 hard court matches including the Australian Open and defeated him at Wimbledon too in 2019. THIS DOES NOT MEAN NADAL CANNOT BEAT HIM!!

Thiem vs. Federer would be a lot closer at the French then you think. This is my opinion based on how close their match was at Madrid last year. Only way to know is if they face off there.
 
First of all, do you go always go straight into attack mode when presenting your viewpoint? Secondly, did you read the wording of my post. I used the word "favorite" in a match up, not a 100%, definite winner. Federer was an overwhelming favorite against Dimitrov at the US Open and lost so yes if Dimitrov can beat Federer than so can Nadal.

I still stand by my statement that Federer is the favorite over Nadal at the Hard court and Grass court slams. This is backed by the fact that Federer is 5-0 against Nadal in their last 5 hard court matches including the Australian Open and defeated him at Wimbledon too in 2019. THIS DOES NOT MEAN NADAL CANNOT BEAT HIM!!

Thiem vs. Federer would be a lot closer at the French then you think. This is my opinion based on how close their match was at Madrid last year. Only way to know is if they face off there.
My apologies for what you describe as "the attack mode". I will employ a more relaxed tone if you prefer.

Federer has 0 USO titles since 2008, while Nadal has 4 in the 2010s. And Federer showed a poorer form than Nadal recently both at the AO 2018 (losing to a Tsitsipas who was then destroyed by Nadal) and the AO 2019 (almost losing to #40 Millman and Federer was not injured in that match). Nadal destroyed Millman in 3 in the first round of the USO 2019. Nadal leads the H2H over Federer 3-1 at the AO and 8-5 in outdoor hard courts. Of course you will reply that their dynamics changed in 2017. But Federer hasn't faced Nadal on hard courts since 2017, and his form has declined a lot since 2017. So there is no evidence that current old and ultra-declined 38 years old Federer is favorite against Nadal on hard courts, when he has 0 victories over Nadal since 2017 on hard. Based on the aforementioned evidence, any objective person acknowledges that Nadal is obviously favorite over Federer at the USO and to a lesser degree at the AO.

I agree with the Wimbledon part, Federer is the favorite there.

The Madrid Federer-Thiem match says nothing. Why? First, Madrid plays so different from RG. For instance, Nadal has 12 RG titles and "only" 5 Madrid titles because both courts play so different. Madrid also happens to be Federer's best Masters 1000 on clay. But, what has Federer done in recent times outside grass? Nothing. Meanwhile, Thiem was close to win the AO, and reached the RG final after defeating Djokovic in the SF. Thiem also won 1 set against Nadal at RG 2019, while Federer won 0 sets against Nadal at RG 2019. Not to mention that Thiem dominated the H2H over Federer 3-0 in 2019. Thiem defeated Federer both at Indian Wells and the ATP finals 2019, and Thiem is much better on clay than hard. If Federer can't defeat Thiem on hard let alone on clay. As I said, Federer has literally no chance against Thiem at RG, Thiem would destroy him in 3 sets. Federer will never defeat Thiem in a RG match.
 
Federer is not beating Thiem at RG. Unless Thiem injures himself.

I am not ruling out a one off performance like the RG 2011 SF for an upset, but Thiem has become too much of a ball bashing machine for Federer to keep up with him in a best of 5 normally. Federer's movement and power have become too much of a liability at this point.

I wouldn't be surprised if Nadal got revenge on Fed at Wimbledon too

I wouldn't be surprised either. At some point Federer will not be able to hold a racquet properly and Nadal might just eke out a win over him there, although to be fair, further meetings between these two become less and less likely (unless the hand of Fortuna, guided by the draw makers in the Majors doesn't determine something else).

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I am not ruling out a one off performance like the RG 2011 SF for an upset, but Thiem has become too much of a ball bashing machine for Federer to keep up with him in a best of 5 normally. Federer's movement and power have become too much of a liability at this point.



I wouldn't be surprised either. At some point Federer will not be able to hold a racquet properly and Nadal might just eke out a win over him there, although to be fair, further meetings between these two become less and less likely (unless the hand of Fortuna, guided by the draw makers in the Majors doesn't determine something else).

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Nadal did beat him in 2008. It's not like Federer completely and totally owns Nadal at Wimbledon.
 
I am not ruling out a one off performance like the RG 2011 SF for an upset, but Thiem has become too much of a ball bashing machine for Federer to keep up with him in a best of 5 normally. Federer's movement and power have become too much of a liability at this point.



I wouldn't be surprised either. At some point Federer will not be able to hold a racquet properly and Nadal might just eke out a win over him there, although to be fair, further meetings between these two become less and less likely (unless the hand of Fortuna, guided by the draw makers in the Majors doesn't determine something else).

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It is fairly obvious the promoters of the game want Djokovic to win the most slams from here, mainly since he is behind the other 2 now and they want a 3 way fight for the slam record for promotional value. And possibly at one point a 2 way fight for it between Nadal and Djokovic if possible, considering Federer who is much older is most likely to retire first. Lets face it, once the Big 3 are gone, the ATP promotional machine will be on empty, they will be racking their brains for ideas. They will be reduced to things even more cringeworthy than the lame-o New Balls campaign around 1999/2000. So they will try and milk the very last thing they can out of them, and that is the overhyping of the slam record to unreasonable heights and heavens. The ATP and ITF have both always been a business, nothing about fairness, all about money.

So that said Federer and Nadal meeting again, not that unlikely. At the very least it will be aided by their inevitably being placed in each others halves to aid Djokovic (what they used to do for Nadal) more and more often.
 
Thiem vs. Federer would be a lot closer at the French then you think. This is my opinion based on how close their match was at Madrid last year. Only way to know is if they face off there.

One is 26, the other 38. One is only getting better, the other older!
 
Stop being ridiculous. Of course Nadal can beat Federer in any Slam, he has beaten Federer in all Slams outside the USO. First, you don't need to be the favorite to defeat another player. Nadal was not the favorite against Federer in the WB 2008 and AO 2009 finals, yet he won both matches. Federer would be the favorite over Nadal at Wimbledon, but it doesn't mean Nadal can't beat him, and at the AO Nadal is the absolute favorite over 38 years old declined Federer nowadays. Federer had a poorer form than Nadal both at the AO 2018 and the AO 2019. And the idea that current Federer is the favorite over Nadal at the USO is laughable. Federer has failed to win the USO since 2008, while Nadal has won 4 US Open titles in the 2010s. No other player has won as many USO titles as Nadal in the 2010s, while Federer has failed to reach the USO final since 2015. So no, Federer would not be the favorite against Nadal at the USO.

And what the hell is the "Thiem maybe a slight favorite over Federer at RG"? Federer has absolutely zero chance to defeat Thiem at RG. Federer will never beat Thiem at RG.
Your post is absolutely cruel and depressing.
 
Nadal did beat him in 2008. It's not like Federer completely and totally owns Nadal at Wimbledon.

No, but 2008 is a long time ago and the circumstances are completely different. The performance in the SF last year was very telling about just how vast the difference between these two players on grass is normally. I don't think that many people realise just how epic Fed's win was, especially considering Nadal's effort there in 2018.

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don 't say the federer won 't even reached the 2020 RG sf
last year 's RG proved really good draw goes happen ,
federer easliy goes SF
so that bening sayed ,
i think that fed can win 2020 RG
if thiem goes nadal 's draw and thiem beat nadal in SF
federer beat djokovic in SF
don 't say federer can 't beat djokovic
2011 RG showed federer can beat djokovic in RG
hope is stil alive
lol Thiem owns Federer on clay.

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don 't say the federer won 't even reached the 2020 RG sf
last year 's RG proved really good draw goes happen ,
federer easliy goes SF
so that bening sayed ,
i think that fed can win 2020 RG
if thiem goes nadal 's draw and thiem beat nadal in SF
federer beat djokovic in SF
don 't say federer can 't beat djokovic
2011 RG showed federer can beat djokovic in RG
hope is stil alive

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It is fairly obvious the promoters of the game want Djokovic to win the most slams from here, mainly since he is behind the other 2 now and they want a 3 way fight for the slam record for promotional value. And possibly at one point a 2 way fight for it between Nadal and Djokovic if possible, considering Federer who is much older is most likely to retire first. Lets face it, once the Big 3 are gone, the ATP promotional machine will be on empty, they will be racking their brains for ideas. They will be reduced to things even more cringeworthy than the lame-o New Balls campaign around 1999/2000. So they will try and milk the very last thing they can out of them, and that is the overhyping of the slam record to unreasonable heights and heavens. The ATP and ITF have both always been a business, nothing about fairness, all about money.

So that said Federer and Nadal meeting again, not that unlikely. At the very least it will be aided by their inevitably being placed in each others halves to aid Djokovic (what they used to do for Nadal) more and more often.

That is a reasonable assessment of the dynamics on the tour at present. The main problem arising from that is that as a result of that policy the records set will be that high that no one can even start thinking of breaking them for a while, and that would leave the the tour without a purpose for a very long time. When that happens drastic changes also inevitably happen.

When Laver did his heroics in the Pro and the beginning of the Open era (well, it was only on paper Open era, the changes didn't have the time to have any effect when Laver achieved his Opus magnum, so it was still the same players, just with the promise what is to come in foreseeable future) the field was opening up for the competition, so the expectation about it kept the tour going.

When the generation of Mac, Borg etc was starting to go away the racquet technology change happened (well, except for Jimbo, who was somewhat of an early adopter of technology different than wood), and that introduced a brand new expectations about the future of the sport.

When Edberg Becker et started to go away in came the athletic and fitness revolution, along with some racquet technology changes. That didn't go down as that much of a change, but by that time the records from Laver's time had a completely different context (Open era vs Pro/Amateur Tour), so there were records to be set. The same trend kept the the tour going, with Sampras and Agassi chasing the Open era records of the Open era ATGs.

Now, with the setting of the records on that level, the tour will have a hard time transitioning to new horizons: the Open era has long served its purpose, the racquet and string technology's major overhaul happened around 1998-2002/3 and the medical and nutrition advancement has been as drastic as anything out there. There are no tools that can shift paradigms on the horizon.

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