I think it's safe to say by the end of 2024, Sinner is better than Alcaraz. Say if the world just ended tomorrow (or start of 2025).. I think sinner

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I know alcaraz and can do no wrong.. but objectively I think Sinner is better currently and has a better 'future projection'. His game is much more suited to being /remaining the best as opposed to alcaraz who is very 'fair weather'.

In other words, it seems like sinner will win matches when he isn't playing his best but his game gets him by compared to alcaraz seems to need to be at his best to win games no matter what and any drop off = a loss.
 
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Sinner is the more solid player with a better base level, and is much more reliable for week in week out consistency. But Alcaraz has the highest ceiling of them all, at his absolute best, he is the best on tour, however he is inconsistent and doesn't have Sinner's rock solid week in week out excellence.

It makes for a very interesting dynamic.
 
Alcaraz can run hot and cold but at age 21 he already has 4 slams across the three surfaces. One on hard at the USO, two on grass at Wimbledon and one at the French Open. Thus showing us he’s a threat everywhere.

Sinner however is 2 years older and only this year managed to break through at the slams winning 2, both on hard court. He’s shown to be no threat on grass and lost to Alcaraz himself at the French this year and had a number of poor losses there previously.

I just don’t see how he’s better or has a better future than Carlos. Even with Alcaraz’s inconsistency, he’s still shown when he rocks up, he’s better than Sinner. And their H2H of 3-0 for Carlos this year shows it :)
 
Hitman said:
Sinner is the more solid player with a better base level, and is much more reliable for week in week out consistency. But Alcaraz has the highest ceiling of them all, at his absolute best, he is the best on tour, however he is inconsistent and doesn't have Sinner's rock solid week in week out excellence.

It makes for a very interesting dynamic.
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Maybe Alcaraz has the higher ceiling on grass (second week) and very slow hard courts.

On clay a few points decided their RG SF.

On most hard courts Sinner has a very high Perak
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Alcaraz can run hot and cold but at age 21 he already has 4 slams across the three surfaces. One on hard at the USO, two on grass at Wimbledon and one at the French Open. Thus showing us he’s a threat everywhere.

Sinner however is 2 years older and only this year managed to break through at the slams winning 2, both on hard court. He’s shown to be no threat on grass and lost to Alcaraz himself at the French this year and had a number of poor losses there previously.

I just don’t see how he’s better or has a better future than Carlos. Even with Alcaraz’s inconsistency, he’s still shown when he rocks up, he’s better than Sinner. And their H2H this year shows it :)
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Yes Alcaraz's is a physical monster, which means he is a very early bloomer and able to have all these results so young.

However I don't see any improvements made in his game compared to last year and he seems to have regressed mentally.
 
GRASScaraz said:
Maybe Alcaraz has the higher ceiling on grass (second week) and very slow hard courts.

On clay a few points decided their RG SF.

On most hard courts Sinner has a very high Perak
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It is very close between them, but the difference is that Alcaraz's extra layers to his game gives him that extra layer of instinctual unpredictability that Sinner doesn't have, and if Alcaraz is in that purple patch, Sinner has issues dealing with that. Sinner of course is far more dangerous is steady exchanges, but I am talking about when everything is working for both, this is where Alcaraz edges him. The issue is, Sinner is ready to go every single time, Alcaraz isn't, so Sinner is rightfully the better player of the two.
 
GRASScaraz said:
Yes Alcaraz's is a physical monster, which means he is a very early bloomer and able to have all these results so young.

However I don't see any improvements made in his game compared to last year and he seems to have regressed mentally.
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Lol. I remember people saying the same thing about Nadal :)
 
GRASScaraz said:
Nadal improved on HC, making AO SF, then USO SF in 2008. Then winning AO 2009. All gradual improvements.

Alcaraz is going in the opposite direction.
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Yeah Alcaraz winning the French Open this year for the first time and then doing the rare feat of winning Wimbledon straight after was a total fumble. He completely fell backwards this year. Lmao. Listen to yourself.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Yeah Alcaraz winning the French Open this year for the first time and then doing the rare feat of winning Wimbledon straight after was a total fumble. He completely fell backwards this year. Lmao. Listen to yourself.
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True it's not like he improved his backhand, his slicing, and even the serve.

Just a fluke 2 slams season where he's 3-0 against the unbeatable Djokovic on roids that is Sinner.

Plus we must remember Sinner will finish growing only in 2029. Alcaraz finished it at the age of 16. Thus Sinner is retroactively forgiven for his lackluster 2022 (same age as Alcaraz) and even his current increasingly rare failures because he'll grow and bloom til 35.
 
FeroBango said:
True it's not like he improved his backhand, his slicing, and even the serve.

Just a fluke 2 slams season where he's 3-0 against the unbeatable Djokovic on roids that is Sinner.

Plus we must remember Sinner will finish growing only in 2029. Alcaraz finished it at the age of 16.
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His level was higher in 2023. He just played mugs at the back end of GS.

Sinner with hip injury, Zverev epic choking and the worst ever version of Djok at Wimbledon.
 
GRASScaraz said:
His level was higher in 2023. He just played mugs at the back end of GS.

Sinner with hip injury, Zverev epic choking and the worst ever version of Djok at Wimbledon.
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Oh yeah sure bud.

Sinner gets his hip injury, Z gets whatever but the non-existent forehand of Alcaraz during that part of the year, his illness this week, and the mental burnout after the OG are just footnotes.

Also no, this Wimbledon run is his best yet. He's also been the best he's ever been indoors despite the mediocrity because as even he puts, it's a matter of gaining experience.
 
Sinner is better until Alcaraz wins the next slam or h2h. Then he is better. Then Sinner is better when he does the same.

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FeroBango said:
Oh yeah sure bud.

Sinner gets his hip injury, Z gets whatever but the non-existent forehand of Alcaraz during that part of the year, his illness this week, and the mental burnout after the OG are just footnotes.

Also no, this Wimbledon run is his best yet. He's also been the best he's ever been indoors despite the mediocrity because as even he puts, it's a matter of gaining experience.
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He made Paris Masters QF back to back in 2021/22
And YEC semis last year

So not really improving indoors
 
GRASScaraz said:
Yes Alcaraz's is a physical monster, which means he is a very early bloomer and able to have all these results so young.

However I don't see any improvements made in his game compared to last year and he seems to have regressed mentally.
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The biggest improvement I saw from Alcaraz this year was at RG, where he proved he could win a major while dealing with an injury, in this case a prevailing arm injury that had kept him from playing most of the clay season.

That’s huge….. we all think of Carlitos as this Ferrari like amazing player who is vulnerable when things aren’t clicking for him, but in that tournament he saw off the YE 1 and YE 2 and he did it while still injured. That’s a pretty big mental look to give to the rest of the tour, particularly when it’s something you weren’t previously known to be capable of doing, even on your favourite surface.

The other thing that was impressive was that he proved that he could still beat this newly improved version of Sinner, something a lot of us were unsure of when Sinner started his tear at the start of the season.

The big benefit Sinner has against Carlitos in this arms race is he will generally start each season more positively than Carlitos because AO conditions suit his game so perfectly, but they are quite hostile to Carlitos’s game.
 
GRASScaraz said:
He made Paris Masters QF back to back in 2021/22
And YEC semis last year

So not really improving indoors
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Try giving him the same benefit of doubt/reasoning you give to his rivals -- such as their "hip injury" aka roid saga, mental choking etc.

Hint: he's having a viral illness of some kind rn, won the RG with his backhand alone majorly, had a super soul-sucking match at OG and so on.

He won the Wimbledon mostly under the he roof btw beating a Nole who was leagues ahead of his self at AO earlier.
 
FeroBango said:
Try giving him the same benefit of doubt/reasoning you give to his rivals -- such as their "hip injury" aka roid saga, mental choking etc.

Hint: he's having a viral illness of some kind rn, won the RG with his backhand alone majorly, had a super soul-sucking match at OG and so on.

He won the Wimbledon mostly under the he roof btw beating a Nole who was leagues ahead of his self at AO earlier.
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He was actually playing worse at Wimbledon getting broken more than in 2023 and Tiafoe gifted away the match at 4-4 0-40 in the 4th set.

His peak in the final was questionable anyways since Djoke went into semi tank mode after the first set.
 
GRASScaraz said:
His level was higher in 2023. He just played mugs at the back end of GS.

Sinner with hip injury, Zverev epic choking and the worst ever version of Djok at Wimbledon.
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Alcaraz beat Sinner and Zverev back to back to win RG. And beat Djokovic to win Wimbledon.

As opposed to Sinner facing Jack Draper in the SF of the US Open and then Taylor Fritz in the final. Those guys were just top tier! So much better. Lmao.

Do you even read the crap you post? Lmao.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Yeah as opposed to Sinner facing Jack Draper in the SF of the US Open and then Taylor Fritz in the final. Those guys were just top tier!

Do you even read the crap you post? Lmao.
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They were both healthy unlike Djokovic and both hard court specialist unlike getting Grassvedev in SF
 
Alcaraz has Majors on hard, clay, and grass x 2, with a 12-1 record in 5 set matches at age 21.

Sinner has 2 Majors on hard courts, with no finals at grass/clay court Majors, with a 6-9 record in 5 set matches at age 23.

Alcaraz also leads the H2H 6-4 (2-1 at Majors).

Sinner is showing signs of closing the gap between the two of them, but Alcaraz is clearly ahead of Sinner at the moment.
 
GRASScaraz said:
They were both healthy unlike Djokovic and both hard court specialist unlike getting Grassvedev in SF
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Oh babe, do you really want to compare Alcaraz beating Sinner and Zverev back to back at the French and then Djokovic at Wimbledon straight after? Compared to Sinner beating Draper and Fritz at the USO? You’ll have just embarrassed yourself on the forum forever.

People would take a healthy Jack Draper in a slam SF over your boy himself, Jannik Sinner which is who Alcaraz faced at RG.

Do you not see the hole you’re digging?
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Alcaraz beat Sinner and Zverev back to back to win RG. And beat Djokovic to win Wimbledon.

As opposed to Sinner facing Jack Draper in the SF of the US Open and then Taylor Fritz in the final. Those guys were just top tier! So much better. Lmao.

Do you even read the crap you post? Lmao.
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All slams are legit imo, and if you ignore the doping fiasco, Sinner has produced the level to be a legit no.1

It's the double standards the forum that irks me. Sinner gets his hip injury pass but with Alcaraz it's just "lolz early bloom bloom and forehand injury, illness. What are they?'.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Oh babe, if you want to compare Alcaraz beating Sinner and Zverev back to back at the French and then Djokovic at Wimbledon straight after (which is what Alcaraz did). Compared to Sinner beating Draper and Fritz you’ve just embarrassed yourself on the forum forever.

People would take a healthy Jack Draper in a slam SF over your boy himself, Jannik Sinner which is who Alcaraz faced at RG.

Do you not see the hole you’re digging?
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See that lying there pretending Djokovic didn't have the illness he had to sht the bed like he did at AO earlier this year? Embarassing. He took a set off peak, older-than-Alcaraz Sinner anyway.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Oh babe, do you really want to compare Alcaraz beating Sinner and Zverev back to back at the French and then Djokovic at Wimbledon straight after? Compared to Sinner beating Draper and Fritz at the USO? You’ll have just embarrassed yourself on the forum forever.

People would take a healthy Jack Draper in a slam SF over your boy himself, Jannik Sinner which is who Alcaraz faced at RG.

Do you not see the hole you’re digging?
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Beating Medvedev at AO (3x Finalist, 6x HC finalist) is more impressive than beating SLAMLESS first time RG finalist Zverev
 
FeroBango said:
See that lying there pretending Djokovic didn't have the illness he had to sht the bed like he did at AO earlier this year? Embarassing. He took a set of peak, older than Alcaraz Sinner anyway.
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I’m laughing at the fact they think Draper and Fritz for Sinner is somehow more impressive than Alcaraz beating Sinner himself and then Zverev back to back for the French title.

They’re either saying that Sinner isn’t that good because Alcaraz beat him for a slam or that Draper and Fritz are better opponents which makes no sense. They’ll keep digging that hole.
 
GRASScaraz said:
Beating Medvedev at AO (3x Finalist, 6x HC finalist) is more impressive than beating SLAMLESS first time RG finalist Zverev
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He literally beat the reigning Aus Open champ Sinner in the SF of RG….

The man you’re trying to defend? This is actually so embarrassing for you. Did you forget that? Or do you not rate him beating Sinner because Sinner is such a subpar player?
 
Aussie Darcy said:
He literally beat the reigning Aus Open champ Sinner in the SF of RG….

The man you’re trying to defend? This is actually so embarrassing for you. Did you forget that? Or do you not rate him beating Sinner because Sinner is such a subpar player?
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That version of Sinner was lucky to make it that far with a weak draw

His movement was nowhere near good enough and frankly it was a bit embarrassing for Alcaraz that he needed 5 sets and couple of points to go his way to beat such a mediocre version of Sinner
 
GRASScaraz said:
That version of Sinner was lucky to make it that far with a weak draw

His movement was nowhere near good enough and frankly it was a bit embarrassing for Alcaraz that he needed 5 sets and couple of points to go his way to beat such a mediocre version of Sinner
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Cool, so Alcaraz beating Sinner has all the excuses in the book according to you, but you want to hype Sinner beating Jack freaking Draper and Taylor Fritz to win the US Open? Take a look at yourself and what you’re saying lmao.

I don’t even need to argue further cause you’ve proven all my points for me. Alcaraz isn’t impressive in beating Sinner? But Sinner is impressive by beating Fritz. What a joke babe. :-D
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Cool, so Alcaraz beating Sinner has all the excuses in the book according to you, but you want to hype Sinner beating Jack freaking Draper and Taylor Fritz to win the US Open? Take a look at yourself and what you’re saying lmao.

I don’t even need to argue further cause you’ve proven all my points for me. Alcaraz isn’t impressive in beating Sinner? But Sinner is impressive by beating Fritz. What a joke babe. :-D
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Even Fritz would have beat that Sinner that played the RG SF.

The only impressive win Alcaraz had against Sinner was at IW Masters to break his win streak
 
Sinner clearly hadn’t had enough Clostebol when he embarrassingly lost to Alcaraz at the French Open and then lost to Med at Wimbledon. But come US Open right after his “so called tonsillitis”, he was good to go and beat a MAMMOTH draw of Draper and Fritz, apparently I’m meant to be more impressed by that according to @GRASScaraz

Hahhahaha.

@FeroBango this is hilarious.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Cool, so Alcaraz beating Sinner has all the excuses in the book according to you, but you want to hype Sinner beating Jack freaking Draper and Taylor Fritz to win the US Open? Take a look at yourself and what you’re saying lmao.

I don’t even need to argue further cause you’ve proven all my points for me. Alcaraz isn’t impressive in beating Sinner? But Sinner is impressive by beating Fritz. What a joke babe. :-D
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Fact is Alcaraz with no forehand beat peak Clostebol Sinner. The streets shall remember this.
 
FeroBango said:
For the 2-years-older, peak Sinner on steroids, it is actually that much more embarassing. It's understandable that the version of Alcaraz with no forehand would struggle, but Roidnik Sinner? What a joke.
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Yes beating a Sinner moving like Eubanks on clay was one of the most remarkable feats of the open era
 
Aussie Darcy said:
More remarkable than beating Taylor Fritz in a slam final
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> 19 yo Alcaraz beats Sinner at USO = Sinner was still in his father's nutsack.
> Alcaraz after an ankle injury, absent forehand, and later after being embarassed at the USO, beats peak Mr. Clostebol, twice on HC making the h2h on HCs 5-2 = Sinner injured, Sinner still in embryo, slow courts, and Sinner is better.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Sinner clearly hadn’t had enough Clostebol when he embarrassingly lost to Alcaraz at the French Open and then lost to Med at Wimbledon. But come US Open right after his “so called tonsillitis”, he was good to go and beat a MAMMOTH draw of Draper and Fritz, apparently I’m meant to be more impressed by that according to @GRASScaraz

Hahhahaha.

@FeroBango this is hilarious.
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Sinner beat former USO champion and two time RU Medvedev in the quarter finals of the USO. That cannot be overlooked, especially after Medvedev had just beaten him in Wimbledon. Sinner has gone through slam winners for both his slams this year.
GRASScaraz said:
Which is still better than Alcaraz's only HC slam won having HC journeyman Ruud in the USO Final
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Alcaraz beat Sinner along the way, in what was the highest quality match of 2022.
 
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