I think prime Fed is overrated on this forum

[zagor]

He's talking about players making the W final dimwit.

Washington and Pioline would have NO chance making the final in this era.

Washington? I can agree, it took one of the biggest chokes I've ever seen on court for him to get past Todd Martin so it (him reaching the final) was kinda of a fluke to begin with.

Pioline however would definitely have a chance, he was a mental flake often when he actually reached a final but was also a very talented all-court player, no way would I rule out him making Wimbledon final in any era.

 

[sunny_cali]

Actually his comment is spot on, Goran was struggling with shoulder injury(and was constantly postponing shoulder surgery)and needed a wild card to play Wimbledon that year (and this is a player who was as high as #2 in the world), his 2001 Wimbledon victory is a miracle as fas as tennis goes (although we all knew Goran could still be dangerous on grass if he goes deep and someone upsets Pete which teenage Fed did). Wimbledon was the only tournament Goran played great tennis in that year, aside from that he looked like a pale shadow of his former best.

That said, 2001 wasn't Roddick's prime either, he was what 18? And he still gave Goran a solid match.

Zagor - While this may be true, it is a tricky path to walk on. Should we dig up Fed's mono, his back problems to cover up some of his famous losses ? Should we point out that Fed's prime didn't coincide with his singular nemesis' prime who also presented a horrible match-up and so wish away the H2H ?

The point is they played with whatever problems they had, and the final result is all that matters. Fed and his fans will have to live and accept the skewed H2H with Nadal, no excuses.

More pertinently, this thread is so completely ridiculous -- how on earth can someone who wins 16 GS be over-rated ? The usual weak-era trolls spew their nonsense and we've had 500+ posts of top-class guano to wade through -- I didn't want to feed them more, but finally gave in to the temptation - should have just stayed off

 

[Monsieur_DeLarge]

I think prime Fed is overrated on this forum

Don't get me wrong, I think of Fed as the best GOAT candidate and prime Fed may be the highest level of tennis ever. The records will say that and I believe that records count for a lot more than subjective bias.

Ehh? You think he played the highest level of tennis ever, and is the best candidate for the title of "greatest of all time", but you also think he's over-rated?


Regards,
MDL

 

[tennis_pro]

Better than 35 year old Bjorkman and Rainer Schuettler being in the Wimbledon semis, and Sebastien Grosjean and Scheng Schalken being two of the favorites and biggest Federer rivals for the title.

Nothing beats Sampras' 2000 Wimbledon semi-final opponent, though, LOLZ. A qualifier ranked 237 in the world. Oh and Sampras faced Jan Michael-Gambill in the quarters, btw.

Todd freaking Woodbridge in the semi-finals and Cedric Pioline in the final in 1997, 2 years earlier Shuzo Matsuoka in the quarter-final.

Sampras had his fair share of joke opponents as well.

 

[zagor]

Zagor - While this may be true, it is a tricky path to walk on. Should we dig up Fed's mono, his back problems to cover up some of his famous losses ? Should we point out that Fed's prime didn't coincide with his singular nemesis' prime who also presented a horrible match-up and so wish away the H2H ?

The point is they played with whatever problems they had, and the final result is all that matters. Fed and his fans will have to live and accept the skewed H2H with Nadal, no excuses.

More pertinently, this thread is so completely ridiculous -- how on earth can someone who wins 16 GS be over-rated ? The usual weak-era trolls spew their nonsense and we've had 500+ posts of top-class guano to wade through -- I didn't want to feed them more, but finally gave in to the temptation - should have just stayed off

Not that I disagree overall but I'll not sink to the level of some Sampras/Nadal fanboys with their outrageous double standard and completely one-dimensional view of things.

I think Fed would most likely be a very tough proposition(he does have the game to drive him crazy IMO) for Goran to face, even on old grass (though when dialed in Goran was extremely dangerous in Wimbledon ) however in no way or shape those few matches they played prove anything to me personally, neither of them were anywhere near their prime/peak and the sample is too small as well to conclude anything.

I'll not pretend Goran was not a shadow of himself at that point (aside from his miraculous Wimbledon in 2001) when I honestly feel that he was.

 

[Povl Carstensen]

Ehh? You think he played the highest level of tennis ever, and is the best candidate for the title of "greatest of all time", but you also think he's over-rated?


Regards,
MDL

Yes, the OP's theory is disproofed in his own OT. Amazing.