I was thinking about Nadal...

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unjugon

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No, I am not gay. I was thinking about Nadal´s GAME, and how it really isn´t suited for fast courts. So it got me thinking "Wow, what if he turned into a true specialist of clay, only played clay tourneys, and only practiced on clay throughout the year? Maybe he could go on to have like 150 straight wins on the dirt? That, for sure, would be a record that would stand for all times".

Because, right now, yes, he is the best on clay but will get beaten, if not on Sunday, during the summer. IMO he would be really remembered as a legend in the future if he concentrated all his efforts to the clay. Just imagine that. No painful losses to Clement or the guy from Luxemburg. Blake? Federer? Nobody would touch Nadal on the dirt if he really turned into a TRUE SPECIALIST.

Why does he have to play other tourneys? It´s not like he can get to number 1. I bet he could stay number 2 for his entire career just playing on clay.
It is really crazy...but think about it for a couple minutes.
 
Perhaps so, but how boring would it be for him during the non-clay season? Getting his butt stomped into the ground during the Masters Cup each year?

If he spent all his time on clay, people would not remember him as a legend. They would remember him as a jerk who refused to play faster surfaces because he was afraid of losing.

And Nadal has stated his wishes to improve his grass game. His hard court game is not too shabby either.
 
Nadal still hasn't even come close to Chris Evert's 100+ wins straight on clay. If he does that (which he definetly is capable of doing) then he'll be rememered as the ultimet clay courter.
 
JayxTheKoolest said:
Nadal still hasn't even come close to Chris Evert's 100+ wins straight on clay. If he does that (which he definetly is capable of doing) then he'll be rememered as the ultimet clay courter.
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That is on the women's tour.

It is the same as saying Graf has 22 grand slams so because Sampras only won 14 he is not the greatest of all-time...
 
Gilgamesh said:
That is on the women's tour.

It is the same as saying Graf has 22 grand slams so because Sampras only won 14 he is not the greatest of all-time...
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JayxTheKoolest did not say Nadal has to get close to Evert's 100+ to be considered greatest, he said if he did, he would be the ultimate clay courter, in the way that anyone who got close to Graf's 22, on the mens side, would be the ultimate greatest ever, as opposed to just greatest ever if they got 14 or 15. That's to say, it's not a requirement, but if it were achieved, that would really turn heads.
 
On the flip side if a woman can make it pass the first round of any men's major, she will be the best ever!

Nadal is already the best clay court player ever :)
 
Maybe Nadal is more concerned with winning major tournaments and possibly attaining #1 than being remembered as the best clay courter ever. Who cares about that.......
 
HollerOne5 said:
Maybe Nadal is more concerned with winning major tournaments and possibly attaining #1 than being remembered as the best clay courter ever. Who cares about that.......
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Actually the winning majors tournament pursuit, and trying to become the best clay courter ever go hand in hand. By winning more French Opens it strengthens his argument as the best clay courter ever.
 
JayxTheKoolest said:
Nadal still hasn't even come close to Chris Evert's 100+ wins straight on clay. If he does that (which he definetly is capable of doing) then he'll be rememered as the ultimet clay courter.
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You can't quite compare that.
For example the best women in the history have 20+ slams (Court, Graf) while among the men Pete Sampras is record holder with only 14 slams. the opposition in the men's game is much tougher. So if Nadal should win 80+ clay matches in a row he would be in the same ballpark as Chrissie with her 125-clay-win streak.

Condi
 
Viper said:
They are two completely different games. Look who Pete at who Pete had to deal with and Steffi's oppenents.
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Graf had to cope with 4 generations and she beat them all.

Steffi's opponents where in the women's game just as good as the men in Pete's draw. I'll give you that the women didn't start comepeting until the quarters.
 
Warriorroger said:
Graf had to cope with 4 generations and she beat them all.

Steffi's opponents where in the women's game just as good as the men in Pete's draw. I'll give you that the women didn't start comepeting until the quarters.
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can someone state the ranking of the male player who beat then no1 Venus Williams in an exhibition so we can end this stupid debate once and for all...
 
Condoleezza said:
You can't quite compare that.
For example the best women in the history have 20+ slams (Court, Graf) while among the men Pete Sampras is record holder with only 14 slams. the opposition in the men's game is much tougher. So if Nadal should win 80+ clay matches in a row he would be in the same ballpark as Chrissie with her 125-clay-win streak.

Condi
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Ops, someone made the same argument just some posts above mine.
Should read the whole thread before posting ..... ;)

Condi
 
HyperHorse said:
can someone state the ranking of the male player who beat then no1 Venus Williams in an exhibition so we can end this stupid debate once and for all...
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Two different worlds. It shouldn't be a debate. Graf is the greatest player in terms of different things. Do I think she would have beaten male players, ofcourse not.
 
omigod said:
On the flip side if a woman can make it pass the first round of any men's major, she will be the best ever!

Nadal is already the best clay court player ever :)
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I don't think so. Ever heard of a guy called Bjorn Borg? Nadal's winning streak on clay is a nice little side note, but I would rather have 6 French Open titles.
 
Warriorroger said:
Two different worlds. It shouldn't be a debate. Graf is the greatest player in terms of different things. Do I think she would have beaten male players, ofcourse not.
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She would have beaten 99.9 % of male players ....

Condi
 
unjugon said:
No, I am not gay. I was thinking about Nadal´s GAME, and how it really isn´t suited for fast courts. So it got me thinking "Wow, what if he turned into a true specialist of clay, only played clay tourneys, and only practiced on clay throughout the year? Maybe he could go on to have like 150 straight wins on the dirt? That, for sure, would be a record that would stand for all times".

Because, right now, yes, he is the best on clay but will get beaten, if not on Sunday, during the summer. IMO he would be really remembered as a legend in the future if he concentrated all his efforts to the clay. Just imagine that. No painful losses to Clement or the guy from Luxemburg. Blake? Federer? Nobody would touch Nadal on the dirt if he really turned into a TRUE SPECIALIST.

Why does he have to play other tourneys? It´s not like he can get to number 1. I bet he could stay number 2 for his entire career just playing on clay.
It is really crazy...but think about it for a couple minutes.
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This is 100% incorrect, Nadal is really good on hard courts, also can flaten his shots out as much as anyone else, he has proven he can handle the net at any time, end of story.


His legend will only grow
 
JayxTheKoolest said:
I don't see your point.
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It is two different worlds like some posters have said. It is like comparing Apples and Oranges. Sure they are both fruit but they are different.

I just think it is silly to compare feats accomplished on the women's tour to the men's tour.

Evert was a great player on the women's tour. Her clay streak is astounding but could she have that streak on the men's tour? How many GS would Sampras have if he played on the women's tour?

It's just silly to compare the two tours as if it was remotely anything the same. No offense to women players and Graf is certainly GREAT but accomplishments done on the women's tour shouldn't be compared to the accomplishments done on the men's tour. Now if Evert got that streak on the men's tour I wouldn't argue.
 
Warriorroger said:
Graf had to cope with 4 generations and she beat them all.

Steffi's opponents where in the women's game just as good as the men in Pete's draw. I'll give you that the women didn't start comepeting until the quarters.
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All you do is comment on Graf Graf Graf and how marvelous she is....this thread isn't even about her, get lost
 
HyperHorse said:
can someone state the ranking of the male player who beat then no1 Venus Williams in an exhibition so we can end this stupid debate once and for all...
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Are you talking about Bernd Karbacher. He was in high 100s or low 200s. I think both Venus and Serena lost to him (actually they were dominated I think they BOTH only manage to win 3 games between them) which is funny because I remember Serena once stated to the world that the WTA was boring and she should compete against men.

Compete sure...win different story...dominate almost impossible.
 
Gilgamesh said:
Are you talking about Bernd Karbacher. He was in high 100s. I think both Venus and Serena lost to him which is funny because I remember Serena once stated to the world that the WTA was boring and she should compete against men.

Compete sure...win different story...dominate almost impossible.
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LOL i remember him... part time player...
he's an engineer... service action is the quirkiest ive ever seen...
like 50 different movements... slice forehand...
very unorthodox game.... quite a few players had trouble with him... i think he took a set off Sampras one year @ Wimbledon or at least took him to a tiebreaker...
 
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