I wish Djokovic and his fans do not become over confident on account of sunday's victory over Nadal.

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Sathya

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One of the main reasons why Djokovic managed to defeat Nadal on Sunday in the ATP cup final was that Nadal was extremely tired from playing too many singles and doubles matches last week in the follow up to that final and Nadal's energy level was very low. In spite of that, the second set was extremely tight and it could have easily gone Nadal's way.

But in case Djokovic happens to meet Nadal in the Australian open final this year, Nadal will be extremely fresh, hungry and motivated coming into that match after one or two days of rest after the semifinal and therefore there is no guarantee that Djokovic will be able to repeat the same result against Nadal in a potential Australian Open final between the two.

I read many people in this forum stating in the past couple of days that Djokovic is a sure lock to beat Nadal in any of the future hard court encounters between the two just because he managed to win the last nine hard court encounters in straight sets. But I feel that this view is simply not true. Nadal is a true warrior and a tireless worker and is very much capable of reversing his hard court matchup against Djokovic in his favor at any time.

Actually Nadal himself is one of the greatest players on hard court, as his many hard court accomplishments including four US Open titles clearly prove. Therefore even though Djokovic may have won the last nine matches against Nadal on hard courts, that does not really mean much in Djokovic's future hard court matches against Nadal and Djokovic's winning streak against Nadal can come to an end at any time, may be in the Australian open final three weeks from now.

So I wish Djokovic and his fans do not get too much carried away and do not become over confident because of Sunday's result and they do not blindly assume that victory in the Australian open is guaranteed for Djokovic. I wish Djokovic and his fans do not take Nadal lightly in any of the potential future encounters between them even on hard courts.
 
dropshotlikeitshot

dropshotlikeitshot

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Novak had to play the same amount of singles and doubles match. Tiredness is just a weak excuse.

If Rafa is so capable of reversing his HC matchup with Novak, why hasn’t he done that yet? I wouldn’t think Rafa enjoys getting whooped by Novak every time they face each other on HC.

There are at least 5 players that are bigger threats to Novak at AO than Rafa, who have proven in the past year that they can beat him on HC. Rafa still hasn’t figured out how to take a set.
 
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Shaj

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Novak won fair and square.He was just better than Nadal..Deal with it.

However,Novak has shown tendencies in last year not to play great two tournaments in row..Hope his team will look into it..Always he should be kept on toes...
 
Fabresque

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dropshotlikeitshot said:
Novak had to play the same amount of singles and doubles match. Tiredness is just a weak excuse.

If Rafa is so capable of reversing his HC matchup with Novak, why hasn’t he done that yet? I wouldn’t think Rafa enjoys getting whooped by Novak every time they face each other on HC.

There are at least 5 players that are bigger threats to Novak at AO than Rafa, who have proven in the past year that they can beat him on HC. Rafa still hasn’t figured out how to take a set.
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Just to name that list, Medvedev, Tsitsipas, Domi Thiem, Shapovalov, and Roger Federer.
 
Raphael Nadal

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Djokovic fans celebrating the ATP Cup, a tournament Federer didn't play and Rafa will never play again, tells you where they are at the moment - desperate times....
Djokovic has only won ONE of the last THREE Australian Opens, and Djokovic has only won ONE of the last THREE year-end-#1s.
This is Rafa's world, and nothing can be done about that.....so I encourage Djokovic fans to celebrate to their hearts content.....its harmless :)
 
N01E

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Raphael Nadal said:
Djokovic fans celebrating the ATP Cup, a tournament Federer didn't play and Rafa will never play again, tells you where they are at the moment - desperate times....
Djokovic has only won ONE of the last THREE Australian Opens, and Djokovic has only won ONE of the last THREE year-end-#1s.
This is Rafa's world, and nothing can be done about that.....so I encourage Djokovic fans to celebrate to their hearts content.....its harmless :)
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That would be WTF. RBA is the one who got robbed here.
 
Raphael Nadal

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heninfan99 said:
someone said Djoker hasn't lost to Nadal on hard courts since 2013...can u confirm this
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Yeah but its nothing to brag about :)
Rafa didn't even win a slam in 2015 and 2016 (and only lost to Djokovic at 2015 Roland Garros), so Djokovic's wins over Rafa in those years is irrelevant.....as even Berdych, Raonic, Cuevas, Coric, Pouille, Dimitrov, Troicki, Lopez, Fognini and Verdasco were beating Rafa.
 
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Krish0608

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It's not even about winning. It's about the fact that in 19 tries, Nadal has failed to win a set. That's very demoralising if you're Nadal. He had to play out of his mind to push the 2nd set into a TB. Novak on the other hand seemed to have more gears which he didn't even have to use. That's scary if you're Nadal.
 
dr325i

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Raphael Nadal said:
Djokovic fans celebrating the ATP Cup, a tournament Federer didn't play and Rafa will never play again, tells you where they are at the moment - desperate times....
Djokovic has only won ONE of the last THREE Australian Opens, and Djokovic has only won ONE of the last THREE year-end-#1s.
This is Rafa's world, and nothing can be done about that.....so I encourage Djokovic fans to celebrate to their hearts content.....its harmless :)
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How many of last 10 AO has Nadal won?
 
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Nadal_King

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Djokovic will surely be heavy favourite if they meet aus open final but result will not be like last year's final for sure, meeting this early in the year will surely give nadal better chance if they are to meet in the final in 3 weeks time, nadal needs some tactical changes and they have to be put into his game at all times whether he is ahead or behind in the match.
 
Hitman

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Oh, I'm sorry, but I can't hear you over the 19 straight sets won by Djokovic on hard court against Nadal



I am not sure where you are getting off that Djokovic is overconfident, he played for country and won the match. He hasn't been rubbing it in at all. He has a right to celebrate with his team and fellow countrymen and women.

Also in regards to posters here, I think you are mistaken if you think it is only Djokovic's fans. Fans in general here are picking Djokovic to be the favorite, but many are acknowledging that there are players who can potentially stop him there, and even many have said Nadal does better against the field than Novak does currently. Not sure that is being overconfident, or being realistic, I'll go with the latter.

This just looks like sour grapes because the Nadal hype train lost a bit of steam.
 
beard

beard

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TheGhostOfAgassi said:
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Every time Novak wins a slam they go on talking about the upcoming CYGS.
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Reason is that Novak most frequently wins AO, so other players lose chance of cygs already in january... Other thing is that Novak occasionally looked unbeatable...
Its hard to be achieved, but in 2015 only Stanimal stoped Novak of doing cygs...
 
TheGhostOfAgassi

TheGhostOfAgassi

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beard said:
Reason is that Novak most frequently wins AO, so other players lose chance of cygs already in january... Other thing is that Novak occasionally looked unbeatable...
Its hard to be achieved, but in 2015 only Stanimal stoped Novak of doing cygs...
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Nah, Nole slam is also a thing. Novak fans start on w that when he wins any slam. After Wimbledon too.
 
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tennismex123

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Sathya said:
But in case Djokovic happens to meet Nadal in the Australian open final this year, Nadal will be extremely fresh, hungry and motivated coming into that match after one or two days of rest after the semifinal and therefore there is no guarantee that Djokovic will be able to repeat the same result against Nadal in a potential Australian Open final between the two.
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I don´t think he will be extremely fresh, he could have 5 set matches against better opponents that he had in the ATP cup.
 
Big_Dangerous

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Raphael Nadal said:
Djokovic fans celebrating the ATP Cup, a tournament Federer didn't play and Rafa will never play again, tells you where they are at the moment - desperate times....
Djokovic has only won ONE of the last THREE Australian Opens, and Djokovic has only won ONE of the last THREE year-end-#1s.
This is Rafa's world, and nothing can be done about that.....so I encourage Djokovic fans to celebrate to their hearts content.....its harmless :)
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:-D:-D
Remind me again, when's the last time Nadal beat Djokovic on hardcourts?
 
beard

beard

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TheGhostOfAgassi said:
How is that in any way normal? It’s not normal the way I see it.
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But it is, there is possibility only for one player after ao to win cygs, and there is often/everytime thread about it. Vast majority of fans of course agree that chance is small, but exist...

In you logic Novak's fans shouldn't talk about Novak surpassing Federer till he is on what? Slam or two slams difference?
Or Nadal fans shouldn't talk about hope him to surpase Fed for decade and more now, because he was all time 3 slams behind...
 
TheGhostOfAgassi

TheGhostOfAgassi

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beard said:
But it is, there is possibility only for one player after ao to win cygs, and there is often/everytime thread about it. Vast majority of fans of course agree that chance is small, but exist...

In you logic Novak's fans shouldn't talk about Novak surpassing Federer till he is on what? Slam or two slams difference?
Or Nadal fans shouldn't talk about hope him to surpase Fed for decade and more now, because he was all time 3 slams behind...
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I have never heard a Fed fan saying Fed would win CYGS after winning AO. It’s something typical Novak fans do and I don’t find it normal. You find it normal, but you are a Novak fan so not strange.
 
beard

beard

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TheGhostOfAgassi said:
I have never heard a Fed fan saying Fed would win CYGS after winning AO. It’s something typical Novak fans do and I don’t find it normal. You find it normal, but you are a Novak fan so not strange.
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Because it is obvious Federer couldn't win cygs?
Its logical best player and most consistent to be talked of opportunity to do it... You are jyst exaggerating so I will stop arguing now...
 
TheGhostOfAgassi

TheGhostOfAgassi

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beard said:
Because it is obvious Federer couldn't win cygs?
Its logical best player and most consistent to be talked of opportunity to do it... You are jyst exaggerating so I will stop arguing now...
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How is it obvious he couldn’t win CYGS? He has a better record than Novak at Wimbledon and USO, same record in Paris.
 
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daggerman

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Sathya said:
One of the main reasons why Djokovic managed to defeat Nadal on Sunday in the ATP cup final was that Nadal was extremely tired from playing too many singles and doubles matches last week in the follow up to that final and Nadal's energy level was very low. In spite of that, the second set was extremely tight and it could have easily gone Nadal's way.

But in case Djokovic happens to meet Nadal in the Australian open final this year, Nadal will be extremely fresh, hungry and motivated coming into that match after one or two days of rest after the semifinal and therefore there is no guarantee that Djokovic will be able to repeat the same result against Nadal in a potential Australian Open final between the two.

I read many people in this forum stating in the past couple of days that Djokovic is a sure lock to beat Nadal in any of the future hard court encounters between the two just because he managed to win the last nine hard court encounters in straight sets. But I feel that this view is simply not true. Nadal is a true warrior and a tireless worker and is very much capable of reversing his hard court matchup against Djokovic in his favor at any time.

Actually Nadal himself is one of the greatest players on hard court, as his many hard court accomplishments including four US Open titles clearly prove. Therefore even though Djokovic may have won the last nine matches against Nadal on hard courts, that does not really mean much in Djokovic's future hard court matches against Nadal and Djokovic's winning streak against Nadal can come to an end at any time, may be in the Australian open final three weeks from now.

So I wish Djokovic and his fans do not get too much carried away and do not become over confident because of Sunday's result and they do not blindly assume that victory in the Australian open is guaranteed for Djokovic. I wish Djokovic and his fans do not take Nadal lightly in any of the potential future encounters between them even on hard courts.
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I think you're right to point out that Djokovic isn't a lock to beat Nadal at the Australian Open, but I'd have to imagine he'd be the heavy favorite regardless of how the ATP Cup match turned out (unless Nadal happened to bludgeon him in Sydney).

With that said, who knows what would've happened if both players were fresher for their last match. As a great Spanish philosopher once said, "if if if...it doesn't exist."
 
Mike Sams

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Sathya said:
One of the main reasons why Djokovic managed to defeat Nadal on Sunday in the ATP cup final was that Nadal was extremely tired from playing too many singles and doubles matches last week in the follow up to that final and Nadal's energy level was very low. In spite of that, the second set was extremely tight and it could have easily gone Nadal's way.

But in case Djokovic happens to meet Nadal in the Australian open final this year, Nadal will be extremely fresh, hungry and motivated coming into that match after one or two days of rest after the semifinal and therefore there is no guarantee that Djokovic will be able to repeat the same result against Nadal in a potential Australian Open final between the two.

I read many people in this forum stating in the past couple of days that Djokovic is a sure lock to beat Nadal in any of the future hard court encounters between the two just because he managed to win the last nine hard court encounters in straight sets. But I feel that this view is simply not true. Nadal is a true warrior and a tireless worker and is very much capable of reversing his hard court matchup against Djokovic in his favor at any time.

Actually Nadal himself is one of the greatest players on hard court, as his many hard court accomplishments including four US Open titles clearly prove. Therefore even though Djokovic may have won the last nine matches against Nadal on hard courts, that does not really mean much in Djokovic's future hard court matches against Nadal and Djokovic's winning streak against Nadal can come to an end at any time, may be in the Australian open final three weeks from now.

So I wish Djokovic and his fans do not get too much carried away and do not become over confident because of Sunday's result and they do not blindly assume that victory in the Australian open is guaranteed for Djokovic. I wish Djokovic and his fans do not take Nadal lightly in any of the potential future encounters between them even on hard courts.
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It's a styles matchup issue that Nadal faces. His best shot (CC FH) doesn't come up high on the Djokovic BH. Djokovic can do things with his BH that most others can't do and put Nadal into defensive positions and move him around. It's much harder to do on high bouncing clay. But hardcourts is a different dynamic and more difficult for Nadal to execute. Nadal was trying to do the same thing against Federer at AO2017 but his topspin was coming up more into Federer's wheelhouse on the BH side as opposed to going high up to the shoulder. The surface makes things harder for Nadal when it's lower bouncing.
 
TripleATeam

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I haven't heard much from Djokovic fans about this giving them confidence that Djokovic will perform well at the AO. We already thought he'd win the AO, and we still think he will. I think some people are just being a little defensive following that final.
 
MichaelNadal

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Hitman said:
Oh, I'm sorry, but I can't hear you over the 19 straight sets won by Djokovic on hard court against Nadal



I am not sure where you are getting off that Djokovic is overconfident, he played for country and won the match. He hasn't been rubbing it in at all. He has a right to celebrate with his team and fellow countrymen and women.

Also in regards to posters here, I think you are mistaken if you think it is only Djokovic's fans. Fans in general here are picking Djokovic to be the favorite, but many are acknowledging that there are players who can potentially stop him there, and even many have said Nadal does better against the field than Novak does currently. Not sure that is being overconfident, or being realistic, I'll go with the latter.

This just looks like sour grapes because the Nadal hype train lost a bit of steam.
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And we can't hear you over these 19 slams and 4 US Opens lol. You don't get trophies for beating Novak on HC :p
 
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Wilsonpro

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Sathya said:
One of the main reasons why Djokovic managed to defeat Nadal on Sunday in the ATP cup final was that Nadal was extremely tired from playing too many singles and doubles matches last week in the follow up to that final and Nadal's energy level was very low. In spite of that, the second set was extremely tight and it could have easily gone Nadal's way.

But in case Djokovic happens to meet Nadal in the Australian open final this year, Nadal will be extremely fresh, hungry and motivated coming into that match after one or two days of rest after the semifinal and therefore there is no guarantee that Djokovic will be able to repeat the same result against Nadal in a potential Australian Open final between the two.

I read many people in this forum stating in the past couple of days that Djokovic is a sure lock to beat Nadal in any of the future hard court encounters between the two just because he managed to win the last nine hard court encounters in straight sets. But I feel that this view is simply not true. Nadal is a true warrior and a tireless worker and is very much capable of reversing his hard court matchup against Djokovic in his favor at any time.

Actually Nadal himself is one of the greatest players on hard court, as his many hard court accomplishments including four US Open titles clearly prove. Therefore even though Djokovic may have won the last nine matches against Nadal on hard courts, that does not really mean much in Djokovic's future hard court matches against Nadal and Djokovic's winning streak against Nadal can come to an end at any time, may be in the Australian open final three weeks from now.

So I wish Djokovic and his fans do not get too much carried away and do not become over confident because of Sunday's result and they do not blindly assume that victory in the Australian open is guaranteed for Djokovic. I wish Djokovic and his fans do not take Nadal lightly in any of the potential future encounters between them even on hard courts.
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Rafa and all his fans hope Djokovic and his fans consider the Sunday win as very important.

Reality is Djokovic and Nadal and Federerare the three greatest ever because they are not as mortal as their fans and dwell on victories and defeats. Win or lose they start from scratch the next day. It is why they have 55 Majors between them.
 
JadeC

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Despite the last 19 sets Nadal lost to Djokovic, I don't think any Nole fans are overconfident that he will beat Nadal in a potential final meeting. Sure, he is the favorite over Nadal, but there are many who may get in the way before that can even happen.
 
Enceladus

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OP cannot be taken seriously, much overestimates Nadal, see his posts from this thread:


Sathya said:
I do not have any problem even if Rafa is not so much respectful or humble. I will be very happy if Nadal openly tells that Federer and Djokovic are nothing compared to him. But I only wish Nadal is more jolly and entertaining and not always very serious and focused about winning. I actually like friendly arrogance over unfriendly humility.
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Sathya said:
No. It is not a lie. That is the absolute truth. There can never be any champion in any sport who is close to what Nadal is likely to achieve when he choses to end his career and his end is not going to come anytime soon. Honestly Federer and Djokovic are nothing compared to Nadal. I will be very happy if Nadal openly tells out that fact. As I said, I like people who are friendly and jovial though arrogant rather than people who are very humble, shy and diplomatic.
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