I wonder if Federer had beaten Agassi in 2007 would anyone care?

Benben245

Professional
This is what were talking about, Djokovic beat a 37 year old who just so happens to hold the all-time slam record. Imagine if Federer didn't hold that record,would any Djokovic sycophant really hold such a victory in the same regard. No, some Djokovic fans are foolishly conflating Federer's past achievements with who is is today insisting this victory against Federer proves that Djokovic is the better player etc and so forth. Some of these people also agree Federer has been past his athletic prime for a decade, the hypocrisy is endless. I feel sorry for Djokovic because his accomplishments are legendary but how can you really judge yourself when you've played against Federer in 2010 and Federer in 2019, its apples and asparagus in terms of accomplishment relative to the rivavlry and GOAT status not the slam itself. He earned Wimbledon, and congrats to him.
 

chimneysweep

Semi-Pro
Just remember Djokovic himself is 32. It is not like he is some spring chicken either. Federer himself was already being called grandpa by his fans at that age, especialy after every match he lost.

I am sure there are some nutters, but I dont get the impression most are building up Djokovic beating Federer so much, as winning another slam and showing great mental fortitude in doing it. Unless you are suggesting Djokovic should be ashamed winning a slam because it was over 37 year old Federer. :-D
 

Djokodalerer31

Hall of Fame
I don't have a broader observation to make here except that I think 37-year old Federer is better than 35-year old Agassi. at least with today's equipment.
I would go as far as say 37 years old Federer is better than ANY version of Agassi at any age! LOL He is just better and thats it...not even at the same league! Never was, never will!
 

chimneysweep

Semi-Pro
I would go as far as say 37 years old Federer is better than ANY version of Agassi at any age! LOL He is just better and thats it...not even at the same league! Never was, never will!
I think peak Agassi would beat the current Federer most of the time on hard courts. Federer would still win on grass almost everytime. Clay or carpet would be a close contest. 37 year old Federer is probably about the same as peak Agassi actually, yes definitely better than 35 year old Agassi overall.
 

Thetouch

Semi-Pro
The "weak era" mob on here used to say Fed was only beating an old 34/35 years of age Agassi in 2004/2005.
Fed turned 34 in 2015 and he's nearly 38 now.

:-D


Congrats to Novak.
Except Agassi was 11 years older then and Federer at 23 needed 5 sets to beat him in the US Open and the next year 4 or 5 sets again in the final.
 

chimneysweep

Semi-Pro
Except Agassi was 11 years older then and Federer at 23 needed 5 sets to beat him in the US Open and the next year 4 or 5 sets again in the final.
Yeah there is a big difference between an 11 year age gap and a 5-6 year age gap. Agassi also had serious back problems at that point, while Federer has nothing similar going on that I know of.

I think Agassi is a good example in that it only shows how silly it is for people to be dumping on 32 year old Djokovic for not destroying grandpa Federer everytime. Agassi, a way less great player than Federer to begin with, in very old age even pushed peak Federer hard in about half their matches late 2003-2005, and had real chances to win.
Great players are great players, period. Now that doesnt mean 3 guys way into their 30s should be rolling through every draw and tournament like today. That is another topic.
 

swordtennis

Legend
I think peak Agassi would beat the current Federer most of the time on hard courts. Federer would still win on grass almost everytime. Clay or carpet would be a close contest. 37 year old Federer is probably about the same as peak Agassi actually, yes definitely better than 35 year old Agassi overall.
AA was one of my sporting favs growing up. The big 3 and murray would exploit his movement big time. The speed of these dudes are on another level. AA echos my sentiments as well.
 

chimneysweep

Semi-Pro
AA was one of my sporting favs growing up. The big 3 and murray would exploit his movement big time. The speed of these dudes are on another level. AA echos my sentiments as well.
I agree his movement would be some problem, but do not underestimate Andre. His ball striking is second to none. He is honestly an even better ball striker from the baseline overall than Djokovic, which is saying something. I am biased since I am a big AA fan, I was depressed from tennis for over a year after the gut wrenching 95 U.S Open loss to Sampras for instance; but the fact he gave peak Federer some battles near the end of his career, means we should not discount him being competitive with anyone. Not saying he is better or would usually win.

A focused and fit Agassi was a real force. He also dictates points incredibly well and can grind with anyone, inspite of his inferior movement. He compensates by controlling the centre of the court and immaculate point consctruction and court positioning.
 

Thetouch

Semi-Pro
Yeah there is a big difference between an 11 year age gap and a 5-6 year age gap. Agassi also had serious back problems at that point, while Federer has nothing similar going on that I know of.

I think Agassi is a good example in that it only shows how silly it is for people to be dumping on 32 year old Djokovic for not destroying grandpa Federer everytime. Agassi, a way less great player than Federer to begin with, in very old age even pushed peak Federer hard in about half their matches late 2003-2005, and had real chances to win.
Great players are great players, period. Now that doesnt mean 3 guys way into their 30s should be rolling through every draw and tournament like today. That is another topic.
The funny thing is Agassi was between 8 and 12 years older than most of his competitors in the early to mid 2000s, whether it was Federer, Nalbandian, Roddick, Hewitt, Safin or Haas. And I am sure he did well against all of them, I remember him beating all or most of them, including Federer, in Slams as well.
 

BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
I don't have a broader observation to make here except that I think 37-year old Federer is better than 35-year old Agassi. at least with today's equipment.
Agassi was taking cortisone injections directly into his back before most matches when he was 35. Anyone who thinks Andre wasn't still on point at 35 needs to watch the 2005 USO final against Fed. Andre was still striking the ball beautifully. But Andre would be the first person to tell you, Fed is another league of talent and ability. He's stated this in his book and in many interviews.
 

Devin

Semi-Pro
33-35 year old Agassi would probably beat 2015-2019 Federer the majority of times in slams. Federer is still vulnerable if someone can hit flat and deep to the backhand side and if someone can return his serve with interest. Agassi could do both of those things and could take time away from Federer. If Federer reaches IW 2017 or Cincy 2015 form, there's not much Agassi could do to win, but everything else would be one hell of a match.
 

ibbi

Hall of Fame
You can't just make a direct comparison like that. Agassi by 35 was broken down, couldn't get through back to back matches without cortisone shots, by 36 he was out of the top 10 and barely playing. None of that applies to Federer. He is in incredible physical condition for his age. Still not the same as beating him 10 years ago, of course, but you can't compare him to other people of the same age. He's not normal.
 

ompluscator

New User
This is what were talking about, Djokovic beat a 37 year old....
I've stoped reading at this point. It's unimaginable boring to read over and over again about "old man" argument. If Federer is an old guy, then it's time for reading books in a garden with his children, starting career of tennis commentary, playing chess in a park, whatever, but not to play tennis.
Obviously, he is capable of playing in the final of GS, destroying younger generation in straight sets, he won 3 GS just a year and a half ago. And he wants to win more GS so he can secure his records. That doesn't come without price - greater chance to lose against much younger rivals.

One way or another, his decision. So, stop crying about some old man.
 

MeatTornado

Legend
AA was one of my sporting favs growing up. The big 3 and murray would exploit his movement big time. The speed of these dudes are on another level. AA echos my sentiments as well.
If they played on the current surfaces, then yes. I don't think his movement would be as much of an issue if they played on his 90s/00s courts.
 

swordtennis

Legend
If they played on the current surfaces, then yes. I don't think his movement would be as much of an issue if they played on his 90s/00s courts.
I love AA but let us be frank he struggled when he had tough draws. Pissed me off all those pat rafter losses still not over them lol! Pete was the beast in the major finals!
 

shazbot

Semi-Pro
Imagine if Sampras had match points on his serve in a 5 setter against Fed in 2009 Wimbledon. That's what this was.
I'm no Federer fan, but that's a trash response.

Can you believe Sampras lost a final at the age of 37...oh wait...
 

chimneysweep

Semi-Pro
33-35 year old Agassi would probably beat 2015-2019 Federer the majority of times in slams. Federer is still vulnerable if someone can hit flat and deep to the backhand side and if someone can return his serve with interest. Agassi could do both of those things and could take time away from Federer. If Federer reaches IW 2017 or Cincy 2015 form, there's not much Agassi could do to win, but everything else would be one hell of a match.
At Wimbledon or the French current Federer would kill 33-35 year old Agassi. Agassi couldnt even move on natural surfaces anymore. The only good thing for Agassi is he would be unlikely to reach Federer at those slams (if he even plays them) barring drawing him early.

On hard courts it would be a big battle, obviously even more than the battles 33-35 year old gassi already had with prime Federer.Georgia Harrison robably splitting those.
 
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