Ian Westermann Appreciation

HunterST

Hall of Fame
I wanted to post a bit about why I have a lot of respect and appreciation for Ian Westermann. I thought I would do it in a new thread.

I started playing tennis in 2008. I went to a weekly class, but other than that, I had no official instruction during the first year of taking up the hobby. I listened to Ian's podcasts every week and always found them to be helpful and interesting. After a while, I started to get obsessed with the game and, like a lot of us, had all kinds of questions about the game coming to mind.

At least 3 times, I emailed Ian with questions about the game thinking he might address them in a podcast or video. Each time, he emailed me back with detailed, specific responses. His responses were not posted anywhere or used for any content on his website. He just helped me out for free.

A few years later, I had been playing for some time and was hitting well but not having good results in matches. It was a frustrating time in my tennis life. I saw a video from Ian about managing expectations in the game and sent him an email about how it helped me. He, again, emailed back and further elaborated on the concepts and talked about the specific issues I was having.

Another time, I posted a video of my serve on the forum of his website hoping members of his forum would give me feedback. They did, but Ian himself also took the time to type up the areas of my serve that were working and what I could do to improve. He even responded to two other videos where I made the corrections. Again, this was never used for any purposes on his site for content or to make money.

I think Ian is a great source for no-nonsense, non-gimmicky, and evidence-based advice. Beyond that, the way he helped me throughout the years without expecting anything in return shows me that he has a true love for the game and a passion for helping players improve.
 

S&V-not_dead_yet

Talk Tennis Guru
Ian does a great job at Essential Tennis. Along with Top Tennis Training, Feel Tennis, Brent Abel, and Jeff Salzenstein, I think Ian has patient and well-organized content that's highly likely to help the average rec player.
 

Curious

G.O.A.T.
I wanted to post a bit about why I have a lot of respect and appreciation for Ian Westermann. I thought I would do it in a new thread.

I started playing tennis in 2008. I went to a weekly class, but other than that, I had no official instruction during the first year of taking up the hobby. I listened to Ian's podcasts every week and always found them to be helpful and interesting. After a while, I started to get obsessed with the game and, like a lot of us, had all kinds of questions about the game coming to mind.

At least 3 times, I emailed Ian with questions about the game thinking he might address them in a podcast or video. Each time, he emailed me back with detailed, specific responses. His responses were not posted anywhere or used for any content on his website. He just helped me out for free.

A few years later, I had been playing for some time and was hitting well but not having good results in matches. It was a frustrating time in my tennis life. I saw a video from Ian about managing expectations in the game and sent him an email about how it helped me. He, again, emailed back and further elaborated on the concepts and talked about the specific issues I was having.

Another time, I posted a video of my serve on the forum of his website hoping members of his forum would give me feedback. They did, but Ian himself also took the time to type up the areas of my serve that were working and what I could do to improve. He even responded to two other videos where I made the corrections. Again, this was never used for any purposes on his site for content or to make money.

I think Ian is a great source for no-nonsense, non-gimmicky, and evidence-based advice. Beyond that, the way he helped me throughout the years without expecting anything in return shows me that he has a true love for the game and a passion for helping players improve.
Wait until he makes some more money like Will Hamilton.:D
 

yanni

New User
I also really appreciate what Ian does. The other guy I really like a lot is Clay Ballard from Top Speed Tennis. He has I really big talent stroke mechanics (in golf and tennis)
 

atp2015

Hall of Fame
How so? Jeff is the only ex pro and you say maybe!

Oti really xformed my shots and footwork - great for specific areas.
Dtl makes it easy for beginners. Jeff has a variety of content. They are the best of the breed imo.
 

Dan Huben

Semi-Pro
I just checked out www.onlinetennisinstruction.com. Looks nice but seems to be really expensive. Around 150,- just for forehand lessons ? Topspeed Tennis is around 9,90 per month for all aspects.

Is his serve course really worth the money?
http://www.dailytennislesson.com is free?

My fav of all of them is feel tennis. Bought bh and serve. at OTI I have fh and monthly content. Ean is my fav assistant. Top speed subscribed to full content for a year.

I would pick oti over tst because im completely unqualified opinion, clay spend a lot of commentary describing small muscle movement during the swing as if their conscious. Meyer at oti describes the swing as if many of those small movements are a by product of the swing.

Kind of like walking

One person will tell you to fall forward and catch yourself on a leg and repeat. Al the support will coordinate on its own

Other la will describe a heel ball strike roll and a purposeful push off of the big toe, a contraction of the gastroc etc.

Big movements make sense to me. That oti


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AnyPUG

Hall of Fame
I was listening to one of his videos and came across the following:

A student asked him about TW forums. Ian rolls his eyes and says "Just don't read them. They love endlessly debating pointless things."

It's hard to argue with that.

I think he was referring to the threads on internet tennis coaches. Everyone agrees there should have been no debate on the merits of TT over them.
 
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esm

Legend
I was listening to one of his videos and came across the following:

A student asked him about TW forums. Ian rolls his eyes and says "Just don't read them. They love endlessly debating pointless things."

It's hard to argue with that.
Lol. Abit rich... but hey, I am sure the same can be said for pretty much all the youtubers out there these days.
to be fair though, don’t mind some of his contents, but I felt sometimes he talks too much (or he just loves to listen to his own voice...)

/I will grab my coat....
 

Rubens

Hall of Fame
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AnyPUG

Hall of Fame
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He recently announced the match is going to take place "a lot sooner" than we think. It may be taking place this weekend who knows... and vid might be up next week.
 

GuyClinch

Legend
I was listening to one of his videos and came across the following:

A student asked him about TW forums. Ian rolls his eyes and says "Just don't read them. They love endlessly debating pointless things."

It's hard to argue with that.

Ian is right. We have some posters who endlessly analyze stroke mechanics when conscious thought has almost nothing to do with some of the little things that are happening during the stroke. Part of the reason they act this way is because they cannot hit the strokes themselves. So they overthink it..

Speaking of good youtube tennis pros - Intuitive tennis is a good one I think. Tennis video instruction is a in a strange space. Their are lots of excellent pros over there - all trying to sell you some secret sauce - but others pros give away that info for free. :p

What is good about Ian though is he puts lots of emphasis on tactics - plenty of guys explain stroke mechanics well and have much better strokes then Ian. But Ian is a crafty kind of player as he lacks power and explosiveness. He cannot blow people off the court. So his teaching reflects that. He is all about maximizing average strokes. Someone like say Simon from Top Tennis Training can just blast aces and play far more aggressively because he has so much more talent..

Ian will crush green shirt guy BTW. Green Shirt guy lost to plenty of 4.5s - Ian will have little trouble with him. Ian's weakness is hard hitting athletic strong players with good strokes. Not junk ball hustle guys.. He hits against junk balls all the time in his lessons.
 

S&V-not_dead_yet

Talk Tennis Guru
Tennis video instruction is a in a strange space. Their are lots of excellent pros over there - all trying to sell you some secret sauce - but others pros give away that info for free. :p

The thing is, many people don't know they are being given the secret sauce for free because it's insidiously disguised as hard work.
 

Digital Atheist

Hall of Fame
Ian is right. We have some posters who endlessly analyze stroke mechanics when conscious thought has almost nothing to do with some of the little things that are happening during the stroke. Part of the reason they act this way is because they cannot hit the strokes themselves. So they overthink it..
While this is often true, it is not always true; for example, the YT channel Racquetflex is often very analytical in the nature of its teaching, and yet the hosts look they can play a bit.
 

Rubens

Hall of Fame
He recently announced the match is going to take place "a lot sooner" than we think. It may be taking place this weekend who knows... and vid might be up next week.

It was pretty ballsy of him to announce this match. He's a well-known instructor who sells courses for a living, including one on how to beat pushers. He has more to lose than to win with this match.
I do think he will play MEP actually. Backing out at this point would be worse for his credibility than even a loss.
If history is any indication, they'll probably split the two first sets and then never show the end of the match, sort of like what he did with the match against Kevin. Unless he wins it in straights. But we will never see him lose this match.
 
I get what you’re saying but I don’t think he’s that fragile or insecure. I think he would post a loss regardless, it’ll hit 50k views for sure and he can spin it as part of his journey.

I think it’s clear at this point the reality tv streaming/vlogging/stories/characters is actually the more lucrative business to be in. You can only do “3 Secrets to a MONSTER kick serve” so many times.
 

TennisDawg

Hall of Fame
It was pretty ballsy of him to announce this match. He's a well-known instructor who sells courses for a living, including one on how to beat pushers. He has more to lose than to win with this match.
I do think he will play MEP actually. Backing out at this point would be worse for his credibility than even a loss.
If history is any indication, they'll probably split the two first sets and then never show the end of the match, sort of like what he did with the match against Kevin. Unless he wins it in straights. But we will never see him lose this match.
If they split sets, even if he wins it’s gonna hurt his brand. GSG has no pressure. Ian has to win big. BTW I’m picking Ian to win.
 

Rubens

Hall of Fame
If they split sets, even if he wins it’s gonna hurt his brand.

Yea he's been posting several videos of himself training like a madman over the past few weeks, and from the comments he gets, it seems many people think it's in preparation for MEP(!). Now imagine if he loses the match:oops:.
 

AnyPUG

Hall of Fame
Yea he's been posting several videos of himself training like a madman over the past few weeks, and from the comments he gets, it seems many people think it's in preparation for MEP(!). Now imagine if he loses the match:oops:.

Isn't it only fair? MEP is training with a coach(the other coach posted the training vid) and also playing matches...

On paper, Ian has this in the bag on paper (he knows how to play non-traditional shots). his net skills should help him.
 

ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.
I think it’s clear at this point the reality tv streaming/vlogging/stories/characters is actually the more lucrative business to be in. You can only do “3 Secrets to a MONSTER kick serve” so many times.

This is the base of YouTube. Tennis Trolll started doing nothing more than showing a lot of quality player matches and was grabbing more likes than any of the other tennis teaching Chanel’s. ET and others noticed and you can see the format shift, especially with ET. Not that it is a knock on them and the content is good. But it is what Ian does for a living. Putting ET related folks on this forum is also a good way to create interest and continue to increase channel traffic. Nothing new and folks do it all the time.

Nobody minds endless debates...if they are getting the traffic for it. His, shares, likes, views, clicks...the currency everyone is talking.
 

jdawgg

Semi-Pro
Ian is a fantastic coach for rec players. I don't say that about a lot of the internet coaches. I think a lot of people here don't understand the value of a lesson with a coach. Watch his lessons and you will understand better. The gap between knowing what's wrong with your technique and changing it is massive. There's a lot of people here that will know what is wrong with their strokes and never be successful in changing them.

If MEP can hit enough deep neutral balls and precise passing shots he might have a chance. I think Ian takes it in straights. Being on fast indoor courts also makes a big difference.
 

Keendog

Professional
This is the base of YouTube. Tennis Trolll started doing nothing more than showing a lot of quality player matches and was grabbing more likes than any of the other tennis teaching Chanel’s. ET and others noticed and you can see the format shift, especially with ET. Not that it is a knock on them and the content is good. But it is what Ian does for a living. Putting ET related folks on this forum is also a good way to create interest and continue to increase channel traffic. Nothing new and folks do it all the time.

Nobody minds endless debates...if they are getting the traffic for it. His, shares, likes, views, clicks...the currency everyone is talking.

When Kevin and his missus (forgot her name) left suddenly he was in a bit of a bind, it was in the middle of a pandemic and asked viewers how he should change the channel. He started using himself as a project, played Mark Sansait and Ira, probably because he's match with Kevin was the most popular vid for last few years, and when GSG came about and he made a video how to beat him commenters started throwing shade and so a matchup was arranged. It kinda just flowed from there.

It would've been tough, he lost his 2 presenters, pandemic meant no visiting customers and also no travelling 1 week clinics which is where ET makes a lot of money.

But I personally think Ian is a great guy, I've written to him a couple of times and he has always responded and been really supportive.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
In latest issue of Tennis mag, there is a plug for a new doubles tactics book that is out. Author notes that there are over 1500 hours of doubles instruction by pros available on the Internet.
 

AnyPUG

Hall of Fame
But I personally think Ian is a great guy, I've written to him a couple of times and he has always responded and been really supportive.

Given the amount of support he has on this forum, wonder why he smirks whenever tt forum comes to his attention.
 

Dolgopolov85

G.O.A.T.
Lol. Abit rich... but hey, I am sure the same can be said for pretty much all the youtubers out there these days.
to be fair though, don’t mind some of his contents, but I felt sometimes he talks too much (or he just loves to listen to his own voice...)

/I will grab my coat....
I think his tactical analysis videos are great. He can teach a LOT to rec players on that count. Technique wise there are better coaches. The problem is simply too many YouTube tennis coaches. Clutter kills everything.

The same thing has happened with voice coaches. Most coaches are simply posting react videos. And who can blame them. Mary Z gets more views for react videos than her excellent instructionals on distortion and fry. Even Ken Tamplin of KTVA fame is reduced to doing reacts or posting covers sung by his students. Basically yeah, reality TV mentality has now infiltrated YouTube. People apparently have a need for entertainment that's beyond quenching while their need for actual and valuable information they can use is limited.. even when the information is for free.
 
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Papa Mango

Professional
I have no idea about his coaching or his skills..
but damn the dude works hard
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AnyPUG

Hall of Fame
It's possible to support him while still understanding the comment he made; I've made my fair share contribution to the "much ado about nothing".

I'm not a sales,marketing or PR expert, but if I'm selling stuff, I will say my potential customers are passionate about tennis. But he may have sales stats to write off tt folks as "never buyers".
 
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Ian is a passionate tennis player, coach, and entertainer. I love his channel. I wouldn't believe everything he says about technique, but his videos on strategy, mental, and doubles tactics are priceless.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
I'm not a sales,marketing or PR expert, but if I'm selling stuff, I will say my potential customers are passionate about tennis. But he may have sales stats to write off tt folks as "never buyers".

It is not just TT folks. In this issue of Tennis magazine, there is an article about choosing a teaching pro, which begins by saying that most rec players pride themselves on the fact that they don't need lessons.

I was once vacationing in a resort in Scottsdale, AZ and took a lesson with a pro so I could get additional free time on their grass court (plus another hour also thrown in as a bonus). During the second session, I hit with a 4.5-level guest. Despite having told him how I got two free grass court hours because I took a lesson, he actually berated me for taking the lesson, implying that I was kind of a moron.

At my club here, many members constantly complain about teaching pros hogging the courts.
 

nochuola

Rookie
When Kevin and his missus (forgot her name) left suddenly he was in a bit of a bind, it was in the middle of a pandemic and asked viewers how he should change the channel. He started using himself as a project, played Mark Sansait and Ira, probably because he's match with Kevin was the most popular vid for last few years, and when GSG came about and he made a video how to beat him commenters started throwing shade and so a matchup was arranged. It kinda just flowed from there.

It would've been tough, he lost his 2 presenters, pandemic meant no visiting customers and also no travelling 1 week clinics which is where ET makes a lot of money.

But I personally think Ian is a great guy, I've written to him a couple of times and he has always responded and been really supportive.
How were you able to write to him? I don't see his email listed anywhere. Did he remove it due to his recent channel growth and probably increased influx of emails?
 
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