If at the end of their careers, Rafael Nadal finishes with more US Open title than Novak Djokovic?

VolleyHelena

Semi-Pro
Agassi said it...he knows what he is talking about.

You mean the guy who was relegated to being distant second to Sampras despite playing 5 more years.
The guy obviously has the most kind words for the guy who has record #2 ranking weeks ;)
 
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MeatTornado

Talk Tennis Guru
No, of course. not. What if Federer had won Wimbledon 8 times and never lost there to anyone? In such a scenario, he would have a total of 56 match wins there. But what if Djoker had played there every year since 2006 and gotten to the finals every year but never won it? He'd have 66 match wins there. Using your formula, Djoker would be the greater Wimbledon player than Fed.

Making the semis or even finals of tournaments but then losing in the final is not something that resonates with very many tennis historians, ex-players or anyone else. They lost the tournament, they don't get bonus points in legacy terms for making a final. For instance, Lendl made the finals of the USO 8 straight years but managed to win it "only" three times. Lendl himself regards this as a negative, as he's mentioned many times. Pete gets massive legacy points because his W/L ratio in slams is 14-4. Had he gotten to 10 more finals and lost them all, it would be 14-14. Almost nobody argues that a slam final for an ATG is something praiseworthy. It's 1200 points and that's it.
Nearly every Fed fan the last couple years has used Roger's 3 runner-up plates as the key piece of evidence for him being the Grass GOAT over Sampras when they were still tied with 7 Wimbledon titles. How many times have we heard the 18/19 finals stat be touted as Roger's greatest achievement? Not to mention all the praise for his semi-final streak.
 
You mean the guy who was relegated to being distant second to Sampras despite playing 5 more years.
The guy obviously has the most kind words for the guy who has record #2 ranking weeks ;)
The guy who got the golden career slam...one of only 2. That's the guy I'm referring to
 
Lmao he said that in 2014. Now the slam count difference is still 4.
A guy 5 year older should have more unless he is hopeless!!

So the way we work it out at moment until both have retired his comparing 31/15(soon 16) and 36/19. Get a calculator out. Advantage Nadal.

Add in a dad 15 majors all in a harder era than all but 5 of Federers then really it's a no contest as Nadal is hands down the GOAT
 

VolleyHelena

Semi-Pro
A guy 5 year older should have more unless he is hopeless!!

So the way we work it out at moment until both have retired his comparing 31/15(soon 16) and 36/19. Get a calculator out. Advantage Nadal.

Add in a dad 15 majors all in a harder era than all but 5 of Federers then really it's a no contest as Nadal is hands down the GOAT

Lol you're so naive
But Nadal played well so don't want to humiliate another ************* member
Have a nice day
 
Lol you're so naive
But Nadal played well so don't want to humiliate another ************* member
Have a nice day
Look on Wikipedia Federer is 36 and Nadal 31.

I'm always right so sit there and consider yourself lucky I replied and enjoy learning about tennis from me. I have a better education than you and career so you may be inclined to say thank you sir for taking time to reply to me.

Vamos Nadal goat
 

VolleyHelena

Semi-Pro
Look on Wikipedia Federer is 36 and Nadal 31.

I'm always right so sit there and consider yourself lucky I replied and enjoy learning about tennis from me. I have a better education than you and career so you may be inclined to say thank you sir for taking time to reply to me.

Vamos Nadal goat


Lol ok
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
A guy 5 year older should have more unless he is hopeless!!

So the way we work it out at moment until both have retired his comparing 31/15(soon 16) and 36/19. Get a calculator out. Advantage Nadal.

Add in a dad 15 majors all in a harder era than all but 5 of Federers then really it's a no contest as Nadal is hands down the GOAT
Posts like this one is why Nadal gets hated for no reason.

The bolded one is just hilarious. How did you come up with that number?
 

TheAssassin

G.O.A.T.
Look on Wikipedia Federer is 36 and Nadal 31.

I'm always right so sit there and consider yourself lucky I replied and enjoy learning about tennis from me. I have a better education than you and career so you may be inclined to say thank you sir for taking time to reply to me.

Vamos Nadal goat
Whoever is learning from the guy who calls Nadal the GOAT shouldn't consider himself or herself lucky.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
It won't matter if Nadal wins 3 USO's and Novak stays at two. Djokovic is obviously the greater HC player based on his AO performances alone. I don't rate Nole as high as others on HC and put him clearly behind both Fed and Sampras. Nobody can be HC GOAT with only two USO's. But Djoker is still clearly in third place on HC after Pete and Roger. Many would put him above Pete.

What will make Nadal's win so important is that he pulls further away from Djoker in the slam count, 16-12.
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
Djokovic has 6 Australian Opens to Nadal's 1 so one extra USO title isn't going to make a huge difference considering Djokovic will have double the hardcourt Slams. Also, I think Djokovic will add more AOs so we have to wait and see how it all plays out.
 

Jon Snow

Semi-Pro
To think there was a 2 slam gap between Nadal and Djokovic and now it's gonna be a 4 slam gap...and coming at the USO too making it 3>2, plus Nadal will have one more multi slam year than Djokovic aka the man who is supah dupa consistent (at losing yeah).

Lol Nadal done a number on him this year.
 

Djokovic2011

Bionic Poster
To think there was a 2 slam gap between Nadal and Djokovic and now it's gonna be a 4 slam gap...and coming at the USO too making it 3>2, plus Nadal will have one more multi slam year than Djokovic aka the man who is supah dupa consistent (at losing yeah).

Lol Nadal done a number on him this year.
What does consistency have to do with multi-slam years? Let's just wait and see if Nadal ever achieves another 3 slam season like his greatest rivals have - now that's what you call dominance!
 
Posts like this one is why Nadal gets hated for no reason.

The bolded one is just hilarious. How did you come up with that number?
Amusing to see a Federer fan moaning about other posts. It's great karma this US open.

Since Nadal and Djokovic got out of their infancy , I.e were in 20s Federer has won 5 majors whereas Nadal and Djokovic both over 10!! Add to that Federer tanking matches to avoid rivals or entire swings on clay and we have a guy who could be considered lucky to have had a period from 2003-2006 where he had no ATG players to compete against who were not babies
 
First of all, Fed isn't even my favorite player. And second of all, he is widely considered as the greatest player of all time. His achievements are unmatched.
Because he is 5 years older!! Plus had a lot weaker era between 2003-2006. Divide 36/19 and compare 31/15(maybe 16) and you get a clearer picture
 

TheAssassin

G.O.A.T.
Because he is 5 years older!! Plus had a lot weaker era between 2003-2006. Divide 36/19 and compare 31/15(maybe 16) and you get a clearer picture
You'd have some sort of a point if Fed was 26 and Nadal was 21 but players in their current ages don't regularly win Slams. And you probably didn't even watch tennis in 2003-06 if you call that era a lot weaker. This year is basically so much worse than any of those four it's not even funny.
 

iChen

Semi-Pro
You'd have some sort of a point if Fed was 26 and Nadal was 21 but players in their current ages don't regularly win Slams. And you probably didn't even watch tennis in 2003-06 if you call that era a lot weaker. This year is basically so much worse than any of those four it's not even funny.

Well I mean his last RG was 2014. Not 2014, 2015, 2016. I mean it's not a given 2018 but he is facorite. So yeah, they don't regularly win but this year with all the injuries really has helped everyone.
 

Jon Snow

Semi-Pro
What does consistency have to do with multi-slam years? Let's just wait and see if Nadal ever achieves another 3 slam season like his greatest rivals have - now that's what you call dominance!

With all of Djokovic's "consistency" he kept getting his ass handed to him in multiple finals so it don't mean anything if he wasn't able to win them. Who cares about consistency. Nadal is less consistent than Djokovic, has been injured multiple times and yet has more slams than him.

You can have all the consistent QFs...while I will have the trophy. Thanks.
 

Djokovic2011

Bionic Poster
With all of Djokovic's "consistency" he kept getting his ass handed to him in multiple finals so it don't mean anything if he wasn't able to win them. Who cares about consistency. Nadal is less consistent than Djokovic, has been injured multiple times and yet has more slams than him.

You can have all the consistent QFs...while I will have the trophy. Thanks.
Oh dear. :oops:
 
You'd have some sort of a point if Fed was 26 and Nadal was 21 but players in their current ages don't regularly win Slams. And you probably didn't even watch tennis in 2003-06 if you call that era a lot weaker. This year is basically so much worse than any of those four it's not even funny.
Think u need to look around. Usain Bolt mid thirties and only now declining. Ronaldo and messi still dominating. Mayweather still undefeated. USO between two guys over 30.

As modern science develops people are staying younger and fitter longer
 

TheAssassin

G.O.A.T.
Think u need to look around. Usain Bolt mid thirties and only now declining. Ronaldo and messi still dominating. Mayweather still undefeated. USO between two guys over 30.

As modern science develops people are staying younger and fitter longer
30+ guys winning in tennis more often recently is more down to very weak younger generations than any modern science. The truth is Nadal and Federer definitely aren't as good as they used to be several years ago, but there is nobody to dethrone them. Bolt started to decline several years ago as well. Ditto for Ronaldo and Messi.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Amusing to see a Federer fan moaning about other posts. It's great karma this US open.

Since Nadal and Djokovic got out of their infancy , I.e were in 20s Federer has won 5 majors whereas Nadal and Djokovic both over 10!! Add to that Federer tanking matches to avoid rivals or entire swings on clay and we have a guy who could be considered lucky to have had a period from 2003-2006 where he had no ATG players to compete against who were not babies
And Fed enteted his 30's at one point. Obviously those 2 being younger were supposed to win more majors than Fed.

But you're just a Fed hater, so why do I bother?
 
And Fed enteted his 30's at one point. Obviously those 2 being younger were supposed to win more majors than Fed.

But you're just a Fed hater, so why do I bother?
I like Federer....I hate his fans. The ones on this site are so stupid they actually embarrass the whole tennis community. Have you seen the number of troll threads past few days!?
 
30+ guys winning in tennis more often recently is more down to very weak younger generations than any modern science. The truth is Nadal and Federer definitely aren't as good as they used to be several years ago, but there is nobody to dethrone them. Bolt started to decline several years ago as well. Ditto for Ronaldo and Messi.
I agree with that.
 

Backspin1183

Talk Tennis Guru
Djokovic and Nadal played 3 US Open finals and Djokovic was handily defeated in 2 of them. He had the chance to stop Nadal but failed to do it. No Djokovic fan should complain with Nadal having more US Open titles if he goes on to win the title tonight. Likewise, Nadal had the chance to stop Djokovic from winning Wimbledon in 2011 but failed to do so. Djokovic now has more titles despite less finals. No Nadal fan should complain about it either. Nadal himself couldn't stop it from happening.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Djokovic and Nadal played 3 US Open finals and Djokovic was handily defeated in 2 of them. He had the chance to stop Nadal but failed to do it. No Djokovic fan should complain with Nadal having more US Open titles if he goes on to win the title tonight. Likewise, Nadal had the chance to stop Djokovic from winning Wimbledon in 2011 but failed to do so. Djokovic now has more titles despite less finals. No Nadal fan should complain about it either. Nadal himself couldn't stop it from happening.
Besides that, Djokovic could not beat Murray, Nishi and Stan. So many opportunities to have more USO titles.
 

Backspin1183

Talk Tennis Guru
Besides that, Djokovic could not beat Murray, Nishi and Stan. So many opportunities to have more USO titles.

Exactly. When you fail in 5 out of 7 finals, you don't deserve more titles than another who players better in fewer opportunities.

Just realised that Djokovic might have as many finals as Federer at US Open or more? :eek:
And look where Federer is, 5 straight titles!!
 

Noelan

Legend
Djokovic and Nadal played 3 US Open finals and Djokovic was handily defeated in 2 of them. He had the chance to stop Nadal but failed to do it. No Djokovic fan should complain with Nadal having more US Open titles if he goes on to win the title tonight. Likewise, Nadal had the chance to stop Djokovic from winning Wimbledon in 2011 but failed to do so. Djokovic now has more titles despite less finals. No Nadal fan should complain about it either. Nadal himself couldn't stop it from happening.
Listen , your fellow fan decided to open such thread to gloat prematurely . FYI ,3 USO titles won't change the fact who is vastly better player on hard courts.

And boohoo we already had similar thread created from fedalfanboys about how Stan is the better clay court player than Djokovic back in 2015.
Trolls should offer a little more originality in trolling.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
To think there was a 2 slam gap between Nadal and Djokovic and now it's gonna be a 4 slam gap...and coming at the USO too making it 3>2, plus Nadal will have one more multi slam year than Djokovic aka the man who is supah dupa consistent (at losing yeah).

Lol Nadal done a number on him this year.

That's why he's so epic :)
 

Backspin1183

Talk Tennis Guru
Listen , your fellow fan decided to open such thread to gloat prematurely . FYI ,3 USO titles won't change the fact who is vastly better player on hard courts.

And boohoo we already had similar thread created from fedalfanboys about how Stan is the better clay court player than Djokovic back in 2015.
Trolls should offer a little more originality in trolling.

FYI, with 3 US Open titles Nadal would be the greater US Open player. No dispute over who is the better hard court player. And what was trollish about my comment you quoted?
 

VolleyHelena

Semi-Pro
Listen , your fellow fan decided to open such thread to gloat prematurely . FYI ,3 USO titles won't change the fact who is vastly better player on hard courts.

And boohoo we already had similar thread created from fedalfanboys about how Stan is the better clay court player than Djokovic back in 2015.
Trolls should offer a little more originality in trolling.

Djokovic next year will make some Nadal fans very nervous:D
 

Backspin1183

Talk Tennis Guru
Djokovic has 6 Australian Opens to Nadal's 1 so one extra USO title isn't going to make a huge difference considering Djokovic will have double the hardcourt Slams. Also, I think Djokovic will add more AOs so we have to wait and see how it all plays out.

Djokovic is easily the greater hard court player. Nobody in their right mind would ever dispute that.
 

Gazelle

G.O.A.T.
Nearly every Fed fan the last couple years has used Roger's 3 runner-up plates as the key piece of evidence for him being the Grass GOAT over Sampras when they were still tied with 7 Wimbledon titles. How many times have we heard the 18/19 finals stat be touted as Roger's greatest achievement? Not to mention all the praise for his semi-final streak.

Only as a tiebreaker. 7 Wimbys +3 RU's is better than 7 Wimbys clearly. But 8 Wimbys trump both of them.
 

JasonZ

Hall of Fame
Novaks 2012, 2013 and 2014 us open losses are his biggest failures. One loss can be acceptable maybe, but not more. If he really would a ATG on hard court, he would have won at least two us opens in this time period.

But he simply is not as good as some people want him to be on fast hard court. And if Nadal wins today his third title, he will be considered the greater us open player. Yes, he had very easy draws to the final in all his triumphs in new york. But still 3>2 is what counts
 

BringBackSV

Hall of Fame
You know what's embarassing? Nadal's draws at the US Open.

Starting from the 4th round:
2010 - Lopez, Verdasco, Youzhny (basically Federer's draw in rounds 2-4 at the 2017 US Open LOL), pre-prime tired Djokovic
2013 - Kohlschreiber, Robredo, Gasquet, Djokovic (in dogs**t form)
2017 so far - Dolgopolov, Rublev, Del Potro (who has nothing left in the tank), Anderson/Carreno-Busta in the final

Pathetic post on your part, congrats.
 
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Tiki-Taka

Guest
Djokovic is one of the greatest hard court players of all time, and a US Open underachiever at the moment.

Nadal is a hard court all time great and a US Open overachiever if he wins tonight.
 

KINGROGER

G.O.A.T.
The guy who got the golden career slam...one of only 2. That's the guy I'm referring to

Fed has Basel slam.

A guy 5 year older should have more unless he is hopeless!!

So the way we work it out at moment until both have retired his comparing 31/15(soon 16) and 36/19. Get a calculator out. Advantage Nadal.

Add in a dad 15 majors all in a harder era than all but 5 of Federers then really it's a no contest as Nadal is hands down the GOAT

Nadal lost many times early to mugs/pigeons etc. He's had it easiest out of Fedalovic both of whom smash him in consistency.

Nadal won't be making slam finals aged 33-36 like Fed, you can bookmark this. 2018 is his last chance to add 2+ and reach 18, solidifying himself as 2nd best behind Fed the GOAT.
 
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