If Del Po played 10 years without injury after his US Open win in 2009...
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Big 3 record vs Delpo
Fed 18-7
Nadal 11-6
Djokovic 16-4
yet he would eat into Djokovic’s slams ? Djokovic is one that deals with Delpo best
zill
Legend
He has wrist injury immediately after winning in 2009.
I don’t think he ever would have been racking up the slams. He wasn’t going to always beat Fedal, and just a couple years later Novak and Murray were flowering at the business end of slams – and he matches up even worse against them. I think he probably would’ve snagged another hard court slam or two. Hard to predict too much beyond that, unless we get real far into the counterfactual and assume his game takes a big leap forward somewhere.
Kralingen
Talk Tennis Guru
I don’t mean this in an insulting way; healthy Del Potro was never going to last. He had injuries galore at age 19-20. His movement style alone was an issue that made injuries a foregone conclusion. Sure he was unlucky, but saying “if he never had injuries” is more of a denial of reality than just a hypothetical.
But he could have won 3-6 slams overall depending on draws. Really would depend how his form looked from 2016-18, as I think he could have basically had Cilic/Anderson’s place in finals.
But he could have won 3-6 slams overall depending on draws. Really would depend how his form looked from 2016-18, as I think he could have basically had Cilic/Anderson’s place in finals.
Sampras-Bruguera 1993
Legend
Probably 4-6.. But he we could do the injury game with everyone. Without injuries, Nadal sits on 26-27 slams currently
Amen786
Semi-Pro
If if if doesn't exist.
Sunny014
Legend
He would have been a 2-3 timer maybe, not more.
He isn't that great a player.
Often he is glorified by his injuries as an excuse.
Novak has tackled this overrated fellow well.....Nadal too at his peak has handled him well ..... Fed was old so he had some hiccups .... overall this fellow is no match for the big 3.
He isn't that great a player.
Often he is glorified by his injuries as an excuse.
Novak has tackled this overrated fellow well.....Nadal too at his peak has handled him well ..... Fed was old so he had some hiccups .... overall this fellow is no match for the big 3.
he's even lucky he got 1...if Rog didn't underestimate him. Rog was 6-0 H2H up to that point including beat down of delpo 6-3 6-0 6-0 at AO of that same year. , surely Rog thought he had this one in the books
Sunny014
Legend
Had Roger won the AO then he would have taken Potro very seriously with CYGS on the line.
Roger was all chill and happy after his FO and the 15th slam Wimbledon, so he lost focus at the USO, surely he should not have lost that match, very bad....
InsideOut900
Legend
I made a detailed post about Del Po's reasonable chances, also accounting for age and the fact he won't always peak at the right time.
I think even in good shape he still loses most Slams he plays.
*USO 14 is a split chance with Cilic, but if he doesn't bring 2009 form, he would lose.
*USO 16 as Stan was good, but no unbeatable and the draw was fairly soft otherwise
*USO 17, but he would likely be a tad past his best by then;
No AO because he performs poorly there, no RG because he won't beat Nadal ever.
Maybe, maybe he has a chance at Wimbledon 2016 or 2018, but I don't see him winning Wimbledon otherwise.
Realistically, 2 Slams and he would even need to peak at the right time for it to happen. Idealistically, 3 Slams.
There is a reason very few players break the 1-2 Slams barrier.
I think even in good shape he still loses most Slams he plays.
*USO 14 is a split chance with Cilic, but if he doesn't bring 2009 form, he would lose.
*USO 16 as Stan was good, but no unbeatable and the draw was fairly soft otherwise
*USO 17, but he would likely be a tad past his best by then;
No AO because he performs poorly there, no RG because he won't beat Nadal ever.
Maybe, maybe he has a chance at Wimbledon 2016 or 2018, but I don't see him winning Wimbledon otherwise.
Realistically, 2 Slams and he would even need to peak at the right time for it to happen. Idealistically, 3 Slams.
There is a reason very few players break the 1-2 Slams barrier.
Sunny014
Legend
InsideOut900
Legend
He was decent at times at tournaments like Wimbledon 11, 18, RG 12 or USO 12Even at wimbledon no chance, he is just a USO bully.
And obviously the RG 09 and Wimbledon 13, two of his best tournaments to date.
zill
Legend
Murray has no weapons though. Del Po completely different player. Compared to for example Safin.
ibbi
G.O.A.T.
Federer, Nadal, Djokovic and Murray played their best tennis from very roughly the age of 22/23 to 28/29, if you look at Del Potro in that period he missed 11 out of 28 majors. If you consider he misses an entire year after his breakout season that's another 4 opportunities right there from when he starts competing with the best in the world before he's even reached his peak years.
Arguments like this really are pretty dumb, because it is what it is, not what it might be, but don't look at the Federer match at the Olympics, or the Djokovic and two Nadal matches at Wimbledon, particularly the second which falls outside aforementioned peak years anyway, or the Murray Davis Cup match in his own backyard, and tell me this guy isn't if in some mythical universe where he stays healthy going to be right there with these guys competing at the highest level.
There is enough evidence to suggest he'd be more of a Wawrinka than a Murray with maybe less consistency on his side, because he does have a few pretty bad losses to his name (the Hewitt one, in particular, a real LOL inducer for anyone parroting the weakness of the field pre-08) but he's also got enough evidence of what he's capable of at his best in a career constantly blighted by bumps in the road that robbed him of the chance to build confidence and momentum.
You give him those two things back in a sport so mental, and don't tell me things wouldn't be different. He's got a few results and way more matches against the best players in the world that the rest of the field could only dream of, and over a pretty ridiculous length of time too, that again, can only be compared to the big 4.
Granted, if he'd not missed so much time he might not have had enough left in the tank to continue to perform at as high a level as he still did in 2018, but that's now getting into realms of logic that make debates like this completely pointless
You see what this dude did against Federer on Centre at the Olympics and Djokovic there in 2013, and you're going to tell me he can't take lesser versions of those guys there in 2014? Djokovic was terrible the last couple of rounds there. The 2014 US Open is there for the taking, who knows where he falls in the draw. If he's in the Nishikori half I'd give him plenty of chance of reaching and winning the final. Wimbledon 2016 if he goes in fully fit not coming off a two year break? Also there for the taking. That's just being pretty conservative.
Arguments like this really are pretty dumb, because it is what it is, not what it might be, but don't look at the Federer match at the Olympics, or the Djokovic and two Nadal matches at Wimbledon, particularly the second which falls outside aforementioned peak years anyway, or the Murray Davis Cup match in his own backyard, and tell me this guy isn't if in some mythical universe where he stays healthy going to be right there with these guys competing at the highest level.
There is enough evidence to suggest he'd be more of a Wawrinka than a Murray with maybe less consistency on his side, because he does have a few pretty bad losses to his name (the Hewitt one, in particular, a real LOL inducer for anyone parroting the weakness of the field pre-08) but he's also got enough evidence of what he's capable of at his best in a career constantly blighted by bumps in the road that robbed him of the chance to build confidence and momentum.
You give him those two things back in a sport so mental, and don't tell me things wouldn't be different. He's got a few results and way more matches against the best players in the world that the rest of the field could only dream of, and over a pretty ridiculous length of time too, that again, can only be compared to the big 4.
Granted, if he'd not missed so much time he might not have had enough left in the tank to continue to perform at as high a level as he still did in 2018, but that's now getting into realms of logic that make debates like this completely pointless
You see what this dude did against Federer on Centre at the Olympics and Djokovic there in 2013, and you're going to tell me he can't take lesser versions of those guys there in 2014? Djokovic was terrible the last couple of rounds there. The 2014 US Open is there for the taking, who knows where he falls in the draw. If he's in the Nishikori half I'd give him plenty of chance of reaching and winning the final. Wimbledon 2016 if he goes in fully fit not coming off a two year break? Also there for the taking. That's just being pretty conservative.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
The stat is skewed since 3 of Fed’s losses to Del Po happened when Roger was older than Djoker is now. If Novak plays until he’s 40, expect his H2H against inferior players to be losing H2H’s.
Dominic & Andrey
Legend
Maybe 4-5 at best. Pretty interesting to think that in 2010, Del Po and Djokovic had both won 1 slam, however Djokovic in 2011 peaked at a completely new level.
Perhaps without injuries Del Potro could have also reached a level even higher than his 2009 USO win, but it's impossible to tell
Perhaps without injuries Del Potro could have also reached a level even higher than his 2009 USO win, but it's impossible to tell
Sunny014
Legend
I agree with you that he was good in those slams you mentioned, but then those efforts would not be enough.
To win AO one had to go through Novak, Stan did it and thats why he could win, something which Murray and Nadal failed in the last decade, that speaks volumes as to what Potro's chances would be at the AO - a big 0
To win FO one had to go through Nadal or the guy who beat Nadal, in both cases Potro is incapable ..... So FO a big 0
To win wimbledon there were slightly more openings since there were years when Fed or Novak were not at their best, but even in those years Murray won twice, is he beating Murray at wimbledon? No chance .... a big 0 even if fit because his performance vs Novak and others is not good, on grass he would never win vs them.
US open is his only shot at the title when fully fit, how many chances do you see him converting there? That 2014 USO at best, others not sure, maybe 1 more ?.... but have you heard of a player who won a single slams twice or thrice and never won other slams? I doubt.
InsideOut900
Legend
I was talking about the part where you called him a "USO bully". He had his moments on grass and clay.
You reiterated what I said in my initial comment, that he would only have chances at USO, so no disagreement on my part.
If you want to go the extra mile and say he 100% doesn't win Wimbledon, while I said he "might" do it, that's alright too. He would have his chance in 2016, Murray was a bit overrated that year.
Also, why do so many people underestimate 2014 USO Cilic? He played insane tennis. Having to go through Nishikori and Cilic b2b, with both in that form would be really hard actually.
2016 or even 2017 are better chances for Del Potro imo, soft draws with one good opponent at the end, and neither Stan, nor Nadal were as good as 2014 Cilic for me.
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
2-3
I still don't see him breaking through much in that peak Big 4 era. I think Delpo's real legacy would be giving them fits in quarters/semis, wearing them out but still losing to them, but tiring them out before the final. AKA Olympics 12, Wimby 13, Wimby 18. So while I think he'd have a big impact on the sport, it wouldn't be by becoming an ATG himself with 6+ majors.
I still don't see him breaking through much in that peak Big 4 era. I think Delpo's real legacy would be giving them fits in quarters/semis, wearing them out but still losing to them, but tiring them out before the final. AKA Olympics 12, Wimby 13, Wimby 18. So while I think he'd have a big impact on the sport, it wouldn't be by becoming an ATG himself with 6+ majors.
RaulRamirez
Legend
Not that it's scientific, but I would change the survey, as "1-5" is way too large of a bucket.
Perhaps,
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6-9
10 or more
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My wild guess would be 3.
Perhaps,
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My wild guess would be 3.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
What's in the avi?
ghostofMecir
Hall of Fame
Perhaps, but a) Federer lost a few times when he was 36-37 and b) Federer has won 5 slams since that 2009 USO win by Delpo while Djokovic has won 19. It’s much more likely Delpo is cutting into Djoko’s titles than Roger’s.
SteffiGoat
Professional
Wouldn't get more than maybe 1 more.
Amen786
Semi-Pro
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On the right side is the Puri (Fried soft bread made out of wheat flour & salt)
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Amen786
Semi-Pro
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Inshallah I will be able to visit home again very soon.
Inshallah I will be able to visit home again very soon.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
That's how I roll lol. Food is life
Pakistanis use spices so well. I could definitely go for Indian food r.n
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
20 would be a low estimate
-snake-
Hall of Fame
Why lots of people here act as if winning 2-3 slams is a bad thing? It seems they've really bought into the idea that ATGs grow on trees and any player with potential is bound to get 10 majors. Huge LOL at the guy suggesting DP would've lost to Marin btw
.Not in olympics though 2-0 Bud
Georgepeppard007
Rookie
Amen786
Semi-Pro
Absolutely mate. Our foods are similar to indian foods in many ways, with some very little modifications and obviously not as many vegetarian options as India.That's how I roll lol. Food is life
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zill
Legend
you like Nadal is clearly too intimidated to think about the scenario in this thread.
Tennisfan339
Professional
Doubt he would've won Wimbledon with prime Djokovic/Federer. A healthy Delpotro couldn't even beat Djokovic in 2013, the same guy who lost in straight in final. He lost twice against Nadal as well.
0 Roland Garros because of Nadal. Even peak Delpotro would've lost in 3, maximum 4 sets in a RG final against Nadal.
He has always been garbage in Australia for some reason. Best result I think is a QF and he was double baggeled by Federer. Even without injury he hasn't convinced me he could win any of these slams.
Maybe he'd have 1 or 2 more USO and 1 other random slam. Maximum 4. He is excellent but still not on the Big-3 level in slams. He'd definitely have won plenty of Masters 1000, on the other hand.
0 Roland Garros because of Nadal. Even peak Delpotro would've lost in 3, maximum 4 sets in a RG final against Nadal.
He has always been garbage in Australia for some reason. Best result I think is a QF and he was double baggeled by Federer. Even without injury he hasn't convinced me he could win any of these slams.
Maybe he'd have 1 or 2 more USO and 1 other random slam. Maximum 4. He is excellent but still not on the Big-3 level in slams. He'd definitely have won plenty of Masters 1000, on the other hand.
I don’t know if he lost focus. His discussions with the umpire pretty much showed that he still wanted it badly. But he was stubborn and didn’t use his variety. It looked like he wanted to make a statement by beating Del Potro with forehand to forehand exchanges.
And yet he was so close and only crumbled when it mattered most, like so often. I agree with you that the level Del Potro played in that final was great but still wouldn’t be enough against Big 3 most of the time.
In the end Del Potro is good but needs at least SOME circumstances to be in his favour. For example Federer’s slight injury when he repeated against him at the US Open in 2017. However, to be fair Federer only barely escaped two times at RG (5 sets in 2009 and 2012).
GameSetDjokovic
Semi-Pro
He would have had 3 slams at the most. Some people try to depict him as the "slayer" of big 3 when in fact numbers tell a whole different story.
mental midget
Hall of Fame
2-5 total probably. like most have said the big 3 would always be better than him. but he would have been a threat, and probably a bigger one than stan for example.
Cilic smoked last 3 guys 9-0 in setsWhy lots of people here act as if winning 2-3 slams is a bad thing? It seems they've really bought into the idea that ATGs grow on trees and any player with potential is bound to get 10 majors. Huge LOL at the guy suggesting DP would've lost to Marin btw
Including Federer who was fresh off winning Cincinnati, the same Federer who was 5-0 vs him going into that match(11-2 in sets)
While healthy Del Potro a year earlier lost to 66th ranked Hewitt at the same USO
So lets stick to reality but if we go into hypotheticals, he gets smoked by Cilic too who was unplayable last 3 matches.
-snake-
Hall of Fame
FEDR was utter sheet at that year's USO (barely survived his previous match) and DP's left wrist was acting up again by the time the USO rolled around.
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