If Djokovic reaches 17 slam wins...

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which I think he will, then I think him and Federer are both gonna be hard pressed to be considered the standout player of their respective and overlapping eras, let alone of all time.

Their careers are so intertwined, not quite in sync, not quite apart, but halfway in between yet you can't separate them. They lap halfway perfectly and before that and after that, Federer accumulating slams whilst Djok was too young to do anything about it and Djok now accumulating slams while Federer is too old to do anything about it. Both of them would have genuine claims but at the same time both of them would not. Federer beating up on young Djok and now prime Djok giving out his payback. What if Djok was born 6 years earlier? What if Federer was born 6 years later? It's a kind of will he or won't he sort of thing.

They have effectively cancelled each other out, meaning they have not dominated their era. Players in the past dominated their era convincingly but it's hard to make a case for these two. Sure they would have each won 17 but they let the other win 17 too. There is no standout. Laver was a standout. Borg was a standout. But these two are not. I think it's very lateral thinking and interesting to discuss.

What are your thoughts?

That is all.
 

Booger

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Djokovic will probably win 30 grand slams given the current failure state of tennis, but he will never be half the player that Fed was. That's how history will be written.
 

Jonas78

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But what are the chances? He turns 29 before the next slam. He has to stay out of injuries, sickness, and keep his current level of play for at least 2-3 years. If the current flow of newcomers (=zero), and the other top 10 players continues to disappoint, he has a fair chance. But i would say statistically the odds are against him. I give him 30/70:cool:

And by disappoint i mean that noone stands out as a main rival among the top 10 (except maybe Roger on fast courts)
 

SpinToWin

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If Djokovic reaches 17 slams...


If he...


All I can say is that I won't have been watching tennis a lot most likely, cause that implies one heck of a gap in generations (unless Djokovic finds the fabled fountain of youth)!
 

Jonas78

Legend
If Djokovic reaches 17 slams...


If he...


All I can say is that I won't have been watching tennis a lot most likely, cause that implies one heck of a gap in generations (unless Djokovic finds the fabled fountain of youth)!
The fabled fountain of youth has been found, just ask Sharapova:D

There are no new generation. Have you seen the age of the top 10? If the new generation is Thiem, Kyrgios, Raonic and Zverev, i think we are up for much disappointment.
 
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D.Nalby12

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I would really LOVE visiting this place when Djokovic goes close to Federer's records or equals it. #MentalPatientsEverywhere
 
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Navdeep Srivastava

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He is never going to reach that. I hope he gets atleast 14 by the time he declines..
Same here, I also want him to reach 14 or 15, be a perfect second , 17 or 18 is too much to ask.
 

cockneyDjoker

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It's not a question of if he's making 17 slams it's when he's doing it and I suspect many Fed fans will be on suicide watch.
 

steenkash

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I am sure excuses will be brought up as to how 'easily' Novak won his 17 slams. 1) PEDS 2) Weak Era 3) The **** about the egg machine.
 
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My suggestion ... you get some depression medicine. I am sure 2 year time you need them, PHS bhai! :)

If Djokovic get to 13 or 14 this year, Federer record sure he break.

He is never going to reach that. I hope he gets atleast 14 by the time he declines..
 

sarmpas

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I am sure excuses will be brought up as to how 'easily' Novak won his 17 slams. 1) PEDS 2) Weak Era 3) The **** about the egg machine.

As Federer aged Nadal, Djokovic and Murray took more and more slams off him. As Novak ages I believe the currently hyped up/jumped up rivals-to-be are Nishikori, Thiem, Raonic, Dimitrov and Borna(?) Coric. The chasing pack for Novak is weak compared to when he, Nadal and Murray were chasing Federer.
 

steenkash

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As Federer aged Nadal, Djokovic and Murray took more and more slams off him. As Novak ages I believe the currently hyped up/jumped up rivals-to-be are Nishikori, Thiem, Raonic, Dimitrov and Borna(?) Coric. The chasing pack for Novak is weak compared to when he, Nadal and Murray were chasing Federer.

Federer's early wins were against weaker opposition, though. Novak had to compete against Federer, Nadal and Murray.
 

Slice'n'dice

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I might should have said that i really DONT think Nole uses illegal drugs:p

It wasn't illegal (by which you mean banned not illegal, as far as I know it still isn't illegal.) I am sure he has taken many legal, unbanned drugs, along with many other players. Probably keeps a closer eye on what gets banned, so he can get his pharmaceutical teams designing new drugs as old ones get banned.
 

PHS_10

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My suggestion ... you get some depression medicine. I am sure 2 year time you need them, PHS bhai! :)

If Djokovic get to 13 or 14 this year, Federer record sure he break.
Bhai..Sports mein kuch bhi ho sakta hai. Toh..We cannot predict anything..
 

PHS_10

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You think it will be hard for him to win 3 more slams minimum. Who is this new group of super talents that nobody seems to know about?
Sports is really unpredictable.Who thought Fed would stop at 17 or Rafa at 14. It can be such that he will not be winning another GS at all or may be he will end up winning three more. Anything can happen. Also there are a lot of promising youngsters like Thiem, Zverev, Nick etc
 
Sports is really unpredictable.Who thought Fed would stop at 17 or Rafa at 14. It can be such that he will not be winning another GS at all or may be he will end up winning three more. Anything can happen. Also there are a lot of promising youngsters like Thiem, Zverev, Nick etc

I honestly think 4 is the minimum number Djokovic will win. The maximum is much higher than that.

There are 4 slams every year. That is a ton of slams. None of Theim, Zverev, Kygrios is on the verge of being a dominant player, I can ensure you of that much. Tennis will be happy if any of them is so much a slam winning player in the next 2-3 years.

I am not at all surprised 2014 RG or 2012 Wimbledon were Rafa and Fed's last slams. Rafa had been on slow decline since 2011, and in the first half of 2014 he already was starting to look like a shadow of himself despite reaching the first 2 slam finals. Wimbledon 2012 was Fed's first slam in almost 3 years, and he had clearly been overtaken by Djokovic and Nadal already at that point.
 

PHS_10

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I honestly think 4 is the minimum number Djokovic will win. The maximum is much higher than that.

There are 4 slams every year. That is a ton of slams. None of Theim, Zverev, Kygrios is on the verge of being a dominant player, I can ensure you of that much. Tennis will be happy if any of them is so much a slam winning player in the next 2-3 years.

I am not at all surprised 2014 RG or 2012 Wimbledon were Rafa and Fed's last slams. Rafa had been on slow decline since 2011, and in the first half of 2014 he already was starting to look like a shadow of himself despite reaching the first 2 slam finals. Wimbledon 2012 was Fed's first slam in almost 3 years, and he had clearly been overtaken by Djokovic and Nadal already at that point.
Four is way too far fetched IMO, He is almost 29.
 
Four is way too far fetched IMO, He is almost 29.

The only way Djokovic wont easily win another four minimum is if they start holding only 1 or 2 slam per year, as opposed to 4. Just another 4 would be a dissapointment for Djokovic at this stage if that is all he ended up winning.

Who cares if he almost 29. His biggest rivals are all his age or older and weaker than him. Agassi won 5 slams after turning 29 and was nowhere near as strong as Djokovic currently is.
 

PHS_10

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The only way Djokovic wont easily win another four minimum is if they start holding only 1 or 2 slam per year, as opposed to 4. Just another 4 would be a dissapointment for Djokovic at this stage if that is all he ended up winning.

Who cares if he almost 29. His biggest rivals are all his age or older and weaker than him. Agassi won 5 slams after turning 29 and was nowhere near as strong as Djokovic currently is.
If he manages to win 3 more in the next two years or so well and good. Given his style of play, I wouldn't be surprised if he starts slowing down at some point this year.
 
If he manages to win 3 more in the next two years or so well and good. Given his style of play, I wouldn't be surprised if he starts slowing down at some point this year.

I think he will slow down at some point in the next 2 years but he wont instantly stop winning slams when he starts slow down either. Right now he is miles ahead of everyone else, he has to slow down just to not be winning practically every event. Heck Federer and Nadal each won about 5 slams after they started a very obvious decline in their skills, and the competition was tougher than today.
 

PHS_10

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I think he will slow down at some point in the next 2 years but he wont instantly stop winning slams when he starts slow down either. Right now he is miles ahead of everyone else, he has to slow down just to not be winning practically every event. Heck Federer and Nadal each won about 5 slams after they started a very obvious decline in their skills, and the competition was tougher than today.
Atleast it is more competitive than when Fed was in his prime. What Novak has achieved is remarkable. He peaks at the right time too in all the tournaments. Finds a way to win even while playing at 70%. Good on him.
 

Badabing888

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History is only an indicator of what could happen:

Once Sampras won his 13th slam at W in 2000, then there was a gap of 8 slams before we won his next and last one at the USO in 2002.

Fed - won his 16th slam in 2010, then there was a gap of 9 slams before he got his next one at W in 2012. After that 17 Slam gap before he won his 18th; 1 slam gaps between his 19th and 20th.

Rafa - wins his 14th slam to tie Sampras in 2014 RG.Then a 11 Slam gap until he wins his 15th slam, then 1 slam gap to his 16th.

Novak for me is the middle of the first phase that each Sampras, Fed and Rafa faced when they won their 13th, 16th and 14th slams respectively. The others also had Major finals losses in between the gaps Pete (2) Roger (1)/(3), Rafa (1). So Novak is currently in a 7 Slam drought since number 12, if were to win at RG. But chances are he may reach a Slam final, which he loses before he wins another one, if the others are any guide.
 

Badabing888

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@Badabing888
Novak lost the USO 16 final after 12 with 1 slam gap.

Ah yes Im(moral); you are quite right. So yes, that is equivalent of Roger’s loss to Rafa at FO 2011 and Rafa’s loss to Roger at AO 2017. Still Pete lost 2 finals in his gap before 2002, so maybe Novak is due 1 more before he wins his next one, if indeed there is a next one. Anyway, this is just a hypothesis. Let’s see if it follows through for Novak.
 
But what are the chances? He turns 29 before the next slam. He has to stay out of injuries, sickness, and keep his current level of play for at least 2-3 years. If the current flow of newcomers (=zero), and the other top 10 players continues to disappoint, he has a fair chance. But i would say statistically the odds are against him. I give him 30/70:cool:

And by disappoint i mean that noone stands out as a main rival among the top 10 (except maybe Roger on fast courts)
Your post was something 70% true
 
The fabled fountain of youth has been found, just ask Sharapova:D

There are no new generation. Have you seen the age of the top 10? If the new generation is Thiem, Kyrgios, Raonic and Zverev, i think we are up for much disappointment.
Zverev ane Kyrgios just *f* ed up djoker last year
 
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