If Djokovic wins 2018 ATP Tour Finals is this season better than Federer's 2009?

McEnroeisanartist

Hall of Fame
What do you think would be the better season?

2018 - Novak - 2 Grand Slams, ATP Tour Finals, French Open QF, Australian Open 4th Round, two Masters Series titles, one other Masters final and Masters semifinal

2009 - Federer - 2 Grand Slams, Australian Open and US Open final, ATP Tour Finals semifinal, two Masters Series, three other Masters semifinals
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
....I actually agree with Sport.

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Fiero425

Legend
I have to give it to Nole because he came out of nowhere with a lost 2017 barely registering in the rankings! He won the 2 biggest events and 2 Masters! He had all kinds of competition where Nadal was on the shelf in 2009 after his FO loss to Soderling! Fed barely squeaked to his Wimbledon win and admitted Andy choking that volley in the 2nd set TB saved his arse! There just wasn't much in his way thru his 2 big wins and then lost that USO to Del Po when up in the final! Since the summer, Nole's been almost unbeatable; Fed couldn't say the same for his '09 campaign! :sneaky::rolleyes::)
 
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I have to give it to Nole because he came out of nowhere with a lost 2017 barely registering in the rankings! He won the 2 biggest events and 3 Masters! He had all kinds of competition where Nadal was on the shelf in 2009 after his FO loss to Soderling! Fed barely squeaked to his Wimbledon win and admitted Andy choking that volley in the 2nd set TB saved his arse! There just wasn't much in his way thru his 2 big wins and then lost that USO to Del Po when up in the final! Since the summer, Nole's been almost unbeatable; Fed couldn't say the same for his '09 campaign! :sneaky::rolleyes::)
Novak has won 2 masters
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
I have to give it to Nole because he came out of nowhere with a lost 2017 barely registering in the rankings! He won the 2 biggest events and 2 Masters! He had all kinds of competition where Nadal was on the shelf in 2009 after his FO loss to Soderling! Fed barely squeaked to his Wimbledon win and admitted Andy choking that volley in the 2nd set TB saved his arse! There just wasn't much in his way thru his 2 big wins and then lost that USO to Del Po when up in the final! Since the summer, Nole's been almost unbeatable; Fed couldn't say the same for his '09 campaign! :sneaky::rolleyes::)

lol, wut ?
competition in 2009 >>> competition in 2018.

Djokovic had it tough with Nadal in Wim 18, whereas Fed did with Roddick in Wim 09.
Rest of fed's draw was tougher - Soderling,Karlovic, Haas as compared to Edmund, Nishi, a lacklusture Anderson.

fed's RG 09 was considerably tougher than djoko's USO 18.
an on-fire delpo, soderling, PHM, haas, acusaso>>> delpo, nishi, fucsovics

Nadal, Delpo, Roddick, Soderling, Djokovic, Murray, Davydenko, Verdasco in 2009 .........

Federer also went something like 31-1 from Madrid to USO SF that year.
 

Fiero425

Legend
lol, wut ?
competition in 2009 >>> competition in 2018.

Nadal, Delpo, Roddick, Soderling, Djokovic, Murray, Davydenko, Verdasco .........

Federer also went something like 31-1 from Madrid to USO SF that year.

Oh stop; Nole wasn't Nole yet and the rest of those JOKERS were no comp. to Fed! Nadal owned his arse; even on grass and he was lucky he wasn't around for a lot of '09! Remember Nadal brought Fed to tears after beating him yet again at '09 AO! Roddick was Fed's b!tch so he needs to be totally discounted! :censored:o_O:mad::(
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Oh stop; Nole wasn't Nole yet and the rest of those JOKERS were no comp. to Fed! Nadal owned his arse; even on grass and he was lucky he wasn't around for a lot of '09! Remember Nadal brought Fed to tears after beating him yet again at '09 AO! Roddick was Fed's b!tch so he needs to be totally discounted! :censored:o_O:mad::(

more BS.
Federer was 2-1 vs Nadal on grass.

Nadal was pretty much there for most of 09. only skipped Wimbledon.
Federer beat him at Madrid.

Only BSers and ignorant guys can discount a Roddick who played that great in Wimbledon 2009 final.

2009 djoko was better than anyone Djokovic faced at this USO.
obviously delpo in 2009 was considerably better than in this year's USO final

Davydenko actually beat federer in the semi in the World tour finals in 2009 and won it beating delpo in the final.
Verdasco gave Nadal an all time great match in AO 09 (he had beaten Murray and Tsonga prior to this)
Soderling GOATed and beat Nadal in RG 09 (as well as Gonzalez, Ferrer,Davydenko) on the way to making the final. was playing well in Wimbledon, USO and the World tour finals as well.
Murray had the best win% that year IIRC (though he didn't do well in slams apart from Wimbledon)
Djokovic did have a slump in 2009 compared to 2008, but still played some good tennis (clay season, USO, indoor season)
Del potro obviously had a great season. winning USO, SF at RG where he was playing great, WTF final, montreal final......
Roddick obviously played great at Wim, played well at AO , beat Djokovic multiple times that year.

jokers, my foot !


its a massive joke to even compare 2018 competition to that of the competition in 2009.
competition in 2009 >>>>> 2018.
 
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Boxton1611

New User
The OP is verging on being as dumb as the guy saying Fabio Fognini is unattractive.

As a stand alone season Federer’s 2009 was still superior because he made all 4 GS finals. But let’s not forget the context: Federer won the career GS getting a massive ape off his back, gained the GS record at Wimbly and only narrowly choked the USO...while also getting married and having a set of mfin TWINS. Novak who???
 

Fiero425

Legend
The OP is verging on being as dumb as the guy saying Fabio Fognini is unattractive.

As a stand alone season Federer’s 2009 was still superior because he made all 4 GS finals. But let’s not forget the context: Federer won the career GS getting a massive ape off his back, gained the GS record at Wimbly and only narrowly choked the USO...while also getting married and having a set of mfin TWINS. Novak who???

I was just about to "LIKE" your post until the gratuitous comment about Novak! So disrespectful! :censored: :rolleyes: :confused: :(
 
I think there are two ways of interpreting the question. Greater as a stand-alone season in terms of results, or greater in terms of significance?

With respect to the former, they are fairly similar. Novak gets one more "big title" if he wins WTF (which seems likely). But Fed made all four GS finals again, which is simply a great achievement. Grand Slam results tend to count for the most, so probably Fed gets my vote. However, I can also appreciate those who might give Novak the edge because they feel titles trump finals. But we shouldn't forget that Fed was very close in both the AO2009 and USO2009 finals, while Djokovic didn't make it past the QF in the two "other" slams.

Now, in terms of significance, for Djokovic there is the amazing comeback story. But Fed finally won the RG title, made all four GS finals again, did the RG-Wimbledon double, ... hands down Fed for me in this department (taken for the whole year).
 

Towny

Hall of Fame
more BS.
Federer was 2-1 vs Nadal on grass.

Nadal was pretty much there for most of 09. only skipped Wimbledon.
Federer beat him at Madrid.

Only BSers and ignorant guys can discount a Roddick who played that great in Wimbledon 2009 final.

2009 djoko was better than anyone Djokovic faced at this USO.
obviously delpo in 2009 was considerably better than in this year's USO final

Davydenko actually beat federer in the semi in the World tour finals in 2009 and won it beating delpo in the final.
Verdasco gave Nadal an all time great match in AO 09 (he had beaten Murray and Tsonga prior to this)
Soderling GOATed and beat Nadal in RG 09 (as well as Gonzalez, Ferrer,Davydenko) on the way to making the final. was playing well in Wimbledon, USO and the World tour finals as well.
Murray had the best win% that year IIRC (though he didn't do well in slams apart from Wimbledon)
Djokovic did have a slump in 2009 compared to 2008, but still played some good tennis (clay season, USO, indoor season)
Del potro obviously had a great season. winning USO, SF at RG where he was playing great, WTF final, montreal final......
Roddick obviously played great at Wim, played well at AO , beat Djokovic multiple times that year.

jokers, my foot !


its a massive joke to even compare 2018 competition to that of the competition in 2009.
competition in 2009 >>>>> 2018.
This is spot on. Say what you want about 2006's competition but arguing 2009 was weak is a joke. Miles ahead of 2018.

I think it's debatable which is the better season but Fed's two extra slam finals edges it for me. Would have been more difficult to compare had Novak won Paris but he didn't. So I'll take Fed's season. If you factor in competition however, I think Federer's is clearly superior
 

timnz

Legend
What do you think would be the better season?

2018 - Novak - 2 Grand Slams, ATP Tour Finals, French Open QF, Australian Open 4th Round, two Masters Series titles, one other Masters final and Masters semifinal

2009 - Federer - 2 Grand Slams, Australian Open and US Open final, ATP Tour Finals semifinal, two Masters Series, three other Masters semifinals
No. Federer was only 2 sets away from a Calendar Grand Slam. In fact those two sets were all that stood between him and winning 6 straight slams (including the 2008 US Open and the 2010 Australian Open). Djokovic would be pretty close though.
 

Xavier G

Hall of Fame
Fed had the better year in Slams so I almost agreed with @Sport which would have been a first! :-D, but if Djoker wins the ATP Tour Finals impressively say, it might just edge ahead of Fed's 2009, imo, as in 2 Slams + YEC > 2 Slams. Really close though.
 

Night Slasher

Professional
Nole didn't exist in the first half of the season, while Rodja had been extremely consistent during the entire 2009, especially in the most important tournaments (reached all four grand slam finals), so my answer is "no".
 
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Deleted member 77403

Guest
2009 is considered the absolute strongest year in recent history, and Federer made the finals of all four slams. As incredible as 2018 is, arguably the greatest comeback year ever, 2009 trumps 2018 and Djokovic was non factor for half the year.
 

Bukmeikara

Legend
The field back in 2009 seems a lot more tougher than the one in 2018. With all due respect to Anderson, Isner but they are 32-33 they are hardly a match to 23 years old Nadal, 22 years old Djokovic-Murray, 21 years old Cilic and Del Potro. You still had Soderling, Davydenko and Roddick as player who had enough confidence in themselfs to take away big titles. Just look at the top matches that year who probably are top 25 for all time as well:

AO: Nadal-Verdasco, Nadal-Federer
RG: Nadal-Soderling, Del Potro - Federer
Wimbledon: Hewitt-Roddick, Roddick-Federer
US Open: Federer - Soderling was kind of great without the first set; Del Potro - Federer had the drama
WTF: was great even without Roddick, 10/15 matches went the distance(Nadal was straight setted 3/3 )
 
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Deleted member 757377

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2009 is considered the absolute strongest year in recent history, and Federer made the finals of all four slams. As incredible as 2018 is, arguably the greatest comeback year ever, 2009 trumps 2018 and Djokovic was non factor for half the year.

2009, 2011, 2012 and 2015 are the best recent years looking objectively at top players' results.
 

underground

G.O.A.T.
Is OP trolling? I'll bite.

Federer reached ALL FOUR slam finals, winning 2 of them, also winning 2 Masters (let's not forget he beat RAFA ON CLAY and won THE REAL SLAM), which have already equaled Novak's achievements so far. Not to mention that Djokovic went 6 WINS 6 LOSS AT THE START OF THE SEASON LMAO. Also Fed had the GOAT RACQUET SMASH in Miami that Novak can only DREAM of producing such quality smash in one hit.

Idk is this how you troll.
 

Red Rick

Bionic Poster
Is OP trolling? I'll bite.

Federer reached ALL FOUR slam finals, winning 2 of them, also winning 2 Masters (let's not forget he beat RAFA ON CLAY and won THE REAL SLAM), which have already equaled Novak's achievements so far. Not to mention that Djokovic went 6 WINS 6 LOSS AT THE START OF THE SEASON LMAO. Also Fed had the GOAT RACQUET SMASH in Miami that Novak can only DREAM of producing such quality smash in one hit.

Idk is this how you troll.
Madrid 2009, the tournament where Federer lost a set to Roddick on clay, then beat Nadal in straights right?

Totally not because Nadal was tired after a 4h + match the day before vs Djokovic
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
True.

But then again winning 3 Masters is better than winning 2, winning the WTF would be better than not winning it and winning 2 Slams equals winning 2 Slams.

Djokovic only won 2 masters. So it's basically the WTF versus 2 slam finals.
 

Red Rick

Bionic Poster
Djokovic only won 2 masters. So it's basically the WTF versus 2 slam finals.
I brainfarted.

But yeah I definitely take WTF over 2 Slam finals.

That being said, I think the comparison between the seasons is quite unnecessary, cause it's basically an amazing 5 month stretch.
 

Subway Tennis

G.O.A.T.
What do you think would be the better season?

2018 - Novak - 2 Grand Slams, ATP Tour Finals, French Open QF, Australian Open 4th Round, two Masters Series titles, one other Masters final and Masters semifinal

2009 - Federer - 2 Grand Slams, Australian Open and US Open final, ATP Tour Finals semifinal, two Masters Series, three other Masters semifinals

Federer's 2009 is better imo as he made one more major final, and also achieved his career Grand Slam. He also matched Djokovic for M1000 and still also nearly measured up as well in the secondary areas of going deep at other M1000 and WTF.
 

Towser83

G.O.A.T.
No. Cause Federer reached 4 GS finals in 2009, Djokovic only 2 in 2018.

i do see that point of reasoning but on the other hand if nole wins the wtf, he's got 2 slams plus the biggest event after the slams which Federer didn't win. Can't be all about the slams if we're talking a whole best season. On the other hand though Nole's early exits at the AO is in stark contrast to Fed making all 4 finals and only losing the 2 he lost in 5th sets, so I might have to agree with you. It's a tricky one though
 
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Navdeep Srivastava

Guest
I will take yec win over two slam final. You don't have to be a biased fan, it is close enough.
For example I will have Dimitrov winning yec 2017 over Anderson going into Us open 17 and Wimbledon 18 ( exact four slam stretch)
final.
Fed did great to reach four finals and but a big title like yec win always comes before slam final
 

Sysyphus

Talk Tennis Guru
A tennis season is so much more than some title count numbers on a wiki site. The magnitude of Fed's 2009 was just phenomenal. He partook in three grand slam finals that will go than as ones for the ages in that year alone, then there was the achievement of finally getting that French crown, giving him the full slam set and tying Pete's slam count, then breaking the slam count a month later in grandtastic fashion at Wimbledon.

The grandeur of Djokovic's comeback run defies common sense itself, and it hasn't ended yet.

Sometimes it would be nice if we could just revere these achievements on their own merits without comparing and ranking. But then again, what would we fill this place with.
 
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