If Djokovic wins his eighth Wimbledon title.........?

[clayqueen]

Will Federer be left with just elegance as his legacy?

 

[weakera]

I wouldn't dismiss his elegance as "just elegance," his elegance is extraordinary.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

My mental toughness has always been overshadowed by my virtuosity, my shot-making, my technique, my grace.

 

[junkieballer]

He would pass Roger.

- Same titles
- more matches won
- 2020 edition cancelled during Nole's peak
- 3-0 h2h in finals.

No amount of Halles would save Fed.

Long way ahead though.

 

[junkieballer]

I wouldn't dismiss his elegance as "just elegance," his elegance is extraordinary.

If tennis was a fashion show you would be right

 

[mike danny]

VB has nothing to do with their lives

 

[Megafanoftennis100]

Absolutely not happening. Sinner will crush Djoker in SF.

 

[GrassMasters]

Wimbledon titles that Djokovic wins don't count anyway.

 

[Megafanoftennis100]

It is not even certain Djokovic will make it past R4. Fonseca will own his arse once again.

 

[TMF]

He would pass Roger.

- Same titles
- more matches won
- 2020 edition cancelled during Nole's peak
- 3-0 h2h in finals.

No amount of Halles would save Fed.

Long way ahead though.

CIE

 

[junkieballer]

CIE

While 2003-06 finals won vs Philippoussis, Roddick and 20yo Nadal in his first grass final are ok

 

[TMF]

While 2003-06 finals won vs Philippoussis, Roddick and 20yo Nadal in his first grass final are ok

They had to deal with PEAK Federer.

Roddick is 5-4 against Djokovic

 

[clayqueen]

He would pass Roger.

- Same titles
- more matches won
- 2020 edition cancelled during Nole's peak
- 3-0 h2h in finals.

No amount of Halles would save Fed.

Long way ahead though.

So it was during Nole's peak that Rafa took him to the cleaners at Roland Garros? 60 62 75

 

[clayqueen]

It is not even certain Djokovic will make it past R4. Fonseca will own his arse once again.

We can only hope.

 

[Incognito]

Will Federer be left with just elegance as his legacy?

He will still be the greatest USO player of all time.

 

[Gastino]

 

[Struggler]

this is already the case according to stats people. Fed fans counter this with the 8 championships argument, but if Djokovic wins, they will simply find another similar one, albeit weaker. The reality is that Fed has already lost the stats battle. Are stats better than elegance though?

 

[clayqueen]

He will still be the greatest USO player of all time.

Along with Sampras and Connors. The fall of the Mighty Fed will be complete if Djokovic ties him at Wimbledon.

 

[CoolCoolCool]

Rog would still be the greater grass player. 5 titles in a row, higher peak and overall tougher competition, everything goes to him.

 

[GrassMasters]

The destroyer of grandpa Fed, Kevin Anderson, Nice Kyrgios and Berrettini.

 

[junior74]

I wouldn't dismiss his elegance as "just elegance," his elegance is extraordinary.

Perpetual, even

 

[Incognito]

Along with Sampras and Connors. The fall of the Mighty Fed will be complete if Djokovic ties him at Wimbledon.

Fed won it five years in row. That’s dominance. Pete and jimbo could never…

 

[clayqueen]

Federer winning eight Wimbledon titles is not that convincing. He won in 2009 because Rafa couldn't defend his title. In 2017, Cilic fell apart and ended up in tears on court. Cilic had taken Federer to five arduous sets the previous year.

 

[Hitman]

They had to deal with PEAK Federer.

Roddick is 5-4 against Djokovic

What is Roddick's H2H with Djokovic on grass, since this is about grass court tennis?

 

[clayqueen]

Fed won it five years in row. That’s dominance. Pete and jimbo could never…

He won it 5 years in a row and only 3 times between 2009 and 2021 when he retired. Not convincing.

 

[Hitman]

CIE

That's the reason why he has more slams than Sampras also, if you want to use that phrase.

 

[Incognito]

He won it 5 years in a row and only 3 times between 2009 and 2021 when he retired. Not convincing.

That’s still a concentrated dominance never seen before.

 

[clayqueen]

That’s still a concentrated dominance never seen before.

The Weak Era ended in 2007. From 2008 onwards, he only won it three times.

 

[messiahrobins]

No Federer won more wimbkedons in less time which is a factor as Osullivan in snooker made a point of comparing him and hendry but a Djokovic win would transcend the sport no question

 

[TennisFan3]

Will Federer be left with just elegance as his legacy?

How is elegance a legacy? There are plenty of players who were as or more elegant.
Fact is that Federer was a great player, but in his own era, he was surpassed by Novak and Nadal respectively.

 

[StefanV]

Federer will probably be remembered as a greater player than Nadal tbh. The day will come when the only Slam count matters propaganda ends for good.

 

[Gastino]

The Weak Era ended in 2007. From 2008 onwards, he only won it three times.

woow so insightful ! you'd make a great power couple with Ernesto. In french we have a saying that goes like "Le contraire s'attire" which roughly translates to: The extremes attract each other

 

[clayqueen]

How is elegance a legacy? There are plenty of players who were as or more elegant.
Fact is that Federer was a great player, but in his own era, he was surpassed by Novak and Nadal respectively.

I am being facetious because of what Santoro said about the GOAT debate.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2067676435699961971

 

[Juice4080]

Rog would still be the greater grass player. 5 titles in a row, higher peak and overall tougher competition, everything goes to him.

Yeah, just like Pete is still a greater grass player than Fed despite fewer titles and losing H2H

 

[junior74]

How is elegance a legacy? There are plenty of players who were as or more elegant.
Fact is that Federer was a great player, but in his own era, he was surpassed by Novak and Nadal respectively.

Federer dominated his era. Djokovic did, too.

 

[RS]

I would still take Fed at 8 titles each. Djokovic would need 9 IMO.

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

Federer winning eight Wimbledon titles is not that convincing. He won in 2009 because Rafa couldn't defend his title. In 2017, Cilic fell apart and ended up in tears on court. Cilic had taken Federer to five arduous sets the previous year.

Fraud was in one of his worst forms in 2016 and Cilic still couldn’t beat him

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

I would still take Fed at 8 titles each. Djokovic would need 9 IMO.

It would be nice to leave Fed not holding any major titles on his own though!

 

[gamelovergold]

Winning 8th is not possible.
Novak will not reach finals.
We have to be realistic .

 

[Krish0608]

He'll still be left with a legacy of being the greatest or second greatest in 2 of the 3 surfaces. Rafa is not top 5 in Grass or HCs.

 

[The Guru]

Federer will probably be remembered as a greater player than Nadal tbh. The day will come when the only Slam count matters propaganda ends for good.

Nadal has more masters and an Olympic gold too....

 

[Megafanoftennis100]

Nadal has more masters and an Olympic gold too....

far fewer weeks at #1, zero ATP Finals, being inferior to Fed at 3/4 Slams

 

[The Guru]

far fewer weeks at #1, zero ATP Finals, being inferior to Fed at 3/4 Slams

True. Just a pretty dishonest framing to say the only argument for Nadal is he has more slams. He leads in the slams and the masters the two main categories of top end ATP events and he also has far superior international resume in DC/Olympics. There's plenty of other things you can say for his case too of course but to be like oh Nadal is only ahead to the slam bean counter crowd sounds pretty ignorant when he leads in the second biggest title category (even adding Feds WTF to his masters count doesn't catch Rafa) and international play too.

 

[clayqueen]

far fewer weeks at #1, zero ATP Finals, being inferior to Fed at 3/4 Slams

This is what matters. Rafa left his footprint on tennis forever.

 

[junkieballer]

True. Just a pretty dishonest framing to say the only argument for Nadal is he has more slams. He leads in the slams and the masters the two main categories of top end ATP events and he also has far superior international resume in DC/Olympics. There's plenty of other things you can say for his case too of course but to be like oh Nadal is only ahead to the slam bean counter crowd sounds pretty ignorant when he leads in the second biggest title category (even adding Feds WTF to his masters count doesn't catch Rafa) and international play too.

Minimalist GOAT ranking:

1 point for every Slam
1 point for every year end #1
0.02 for every week at #1

Federer 20 + 5 + 6.20 = 31.20
Nadal 22 + 5 + 4.18 = 31.18

They are basically tied.

 

[StefanV]

True. Just a pretty dishonest framing to say the only argument for Nadal is he has more slams. He leads in the slams and the masters the two main categories of top end ATP events and he also has far superior international resume in DC/Olympics. There's plenty of other things you can say for his case too of course but to be like oh Nadal is only ahead to the slam bean counter crowd sounds pretty ignorant when he leads in the second biggest title category (even adding Feds WTF to his masters count doesn't catch Rafa) and international play too.

I don't care about the Olympics in GOAT debates that much. I think the YEC count matters much more than the Masters count. Not going to argue about so many reasons why Federer could be ahead of Nadal.

Why are you triggered by my post? This thread was made in poor taste to attack Federer and his fans so that's the only reason I posted that.

 

[BauerAlmeida]

They had to deal with PEAK Federer.

Roddick is 5-4 against Djokovic

Thiem and Zverev are ahead in the H2H against Federer. You know, the "CIE" players.

 

[DarthJodar]

Jinx thread?

 

[NachoGPT]

Djokovic ain’t winning Wimbledon. He’s struggling against a top spin 4 created player.

 

[SonnyT]

Will Federer be left with just elegance as his legacy?

There's no way. Djokovic's lucky if he wins a 2nd set off Wu.

His streak of being unbeaten off 1st slam matches is on the line, 81 in all. Good, if it finally signals to him that the end in at hand.