If Djokovic wins his eighth Wimbledon title.........?

a10best said:
He doesn't look 44 now either. Otoh, Djokovic does look 44 but he plays like a 33 yr old.

Whatever his physical and mental training is, it must be copied because it doesn't make sense to be beating these younger ATGs

Beat peak Carlos for OG
Beat Sinner in AO semis with remarkable break point saves. Sinner is absolute sh*t for breaking serve. 0-40 against Mochisuki and Brooksby and can't convert.

I expect Djokovic to beat BO3 #1 Sinner but maybe lose to Zverev which will finally legitimize him and more dog kissing.
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His secret is that he doesn’t play a full season, so he can be rested to vulture a GS title.
 
Hitman said:
Enjoy your day. Keep telling yourself Federer faced tougher competition.

See you in the next thread. (y)
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Actually Federer did. Djokovic has done most of his damage in slam finals beating Tsits 5 sets, Thiem 5 sets, Berr, Ruud, Med, Zverev.
Those are far from slam winning mental giants or ATGs. Roddick was a legit #1, Soderling was a beast until he got very sick. Tsonga, Berdych and others.
From Rd16 to the finals it was deep in Fed's prime era. In Djokovic's non-prime era he's still winning because he's the best ever at outlasting opponents and finding solutions.

Yes, perhaps he will win this Wimbledon and is still the GOAT in slams and h2h. it's not always about your winning record but how you play.
Winning with style counts which is why Fed is a permanent fixture in the hearts of fans. Just like Lebron or Mayweather, records are great, but records with style are what youngsters want to copy.
 
a10best said:
Actually Federer did.
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Not more than the generations before him, so have to disagree.
a10best said:
Djokovic has done most of his damage in slam finals beating Tsits 5 sets, Thiem 5 sets, Berr, Ruud, Med, Zverev.
Those are far from slam winning mental giants or ATGs. Roddick was a legit #1, Soderling was a beast until he got very sick. Tsonga, Berdych and others.
From Rd16 to the finals it was deep in Fed's prime era. In Djokovic's non-prime era he's still winning because he's the best ever at outlasting opponents and finding solutions.
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All that matters is how much you win in history. The rest is subjective and more of a take or leave thing.

a10best said:
Yes, perhaps he will win this Wimbledon and is still the GOAT in slams and h2h. it's not always about your winning record but how you play.
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Who knows if he wins or not. Sinner isn't going down that easy.
a10best said:
Winning with style counts which is why Fed is a permanent fixture in the hearts of fans. Just like Lebron or Mayweather, records are great, but records with style are what youngsters want to copy.
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People can enjoy, buy winning style doesn't get you more slams, more love maybe, but not more titles, more records. Only winning, period does that, and the name of the game first and foremost is to win.

And the bit in bold....most copy Djokovic's style, because they feel it is the best way to stay efficient and win. Now you can say that makes Federer unique and that is fine, but people want to win first, not how they win, there is a reason single handers are almost gone.
 
Hitman said:
People can enjoy, buy winning style doesn't get you more slams, more love maybe, but not more titles, more records. Only winning, period does that, and the name of the game first and foremost is to win.

And the bit in bold....most copy Djokovic's style, because they feel it is the best way to stay efficient and win. Now you can say that makes Federer unique and that is fine, but people want to win first, not how they win, there is a reason single handers are almost gone.
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Forget about 1hbh's or winning slams for a second.
Fed's slice 1hbh was the best. Wawrinka's has the best 1hbh drive.
Style is not just 1hbh. It's only 3 months but you do remember Carlos Alcaraz?

The kids today want to have an all-court game with drop shots, underhand ace serves, volleys, and speed out of the corners. Drop shots and volleys are also what Fed had.
Djokovic' interviews applaud Alcaraz' game because it's all court. Then you see Djokovic modified his game a bit to copy Alcaraz with drop shots and big change of pace forehands.
I see kids/teens in Florida clinics a lot and none say they want to play like Djokovic. They're all in on Alcaraz or still with Nadal.
I went to a live-ball 4.0/4.5 clinic and there were 3 1hbh players.

Nobody wants to play boring forever 2hbh rallies, and wait for opponent's error like Zverev, Djoker, Murray. They want to win offensively, with quick points, and style.
Djokovic just mentioned that last week, society wants quicker tennis, not 5 hour long matches of endless rallies and deuces. This was evident during those Djoko/Murray peak years and one of the reasons for the rise in picklball and padel, quick point games.
 
a10best said:
Forget about 1hbh's or winning slams for a second.
Fed's slice 1hbh was the best. Wawrinka's has the best 1hbh drive.
Style is not just 1hbh. It's only 3 months but you do remember Carlos Alcaraz?

The kids today want to have an all-court game with drop shots, underhand ace serves, volleys, and speed out of the corners. Drop shots and volleys are also what Fed had.
Djokovic' interviews applaud Alcaraz' game because it's all court. Then you see Djokovic modified his game a bit to copy Alcaraz with drop shots and big change of pace forehands.
I see kids/teens in Florida clinics a lot and none say they want to play like Djokovic. They're all in on Alcaraz or still with Nadal.
I went to a live-ball 4.0/4.5 clinic and there were 3 1hbh players.

Nobody wants to play boring forever 2hbh rallies, and wait for opponent's error like Zverev, Djoker, Murray. They want to win offensively, with quick points, and style.
Djokovic just mentioned that last week, society wants quicker tennis, not 5 hour long matches of endless rallies and deuces. This was evident during those Djoko/Murray peak years and one of the reasons for the rise in picklball and padel, quick point games.
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There is something you are missing out here, something Federer has, Alacarz has....Ability.

Its not that players don't want to play pretty while winning, the thing is the very large majority cannot play like them. And while you can tell me about Florida clinics....when I actually look where it matters, and that is the pro tour, the majority play like Djokovic, not because it is easy, because it isn't, he makes it look easy, but that is not the same thing, but also because it is efficient at getting them the wins. The style is want part....the game to win is need part, need will always outweigh the want.
 
a10best said:
Forget about 1hbh's or winning slams for a second.
Fed's slice 1hbh was the best. Wawrinka's has the best 1hbh drive.
Style is not just 1hbh. It's only 3 months but you do remember Carlos Alcaraz?

The kids today want to have an all-court game with drop shots, underhand ace serves, volleys, and speed out of the corners. Drop shots and volleys are also what Fed had.
Djokovic' interviews applaud Alcaraz' game because it's all court. Then you see Djokovic modified his game a bit to copy Alcaraz with drop shots and big change of pace forehands.
I see kids/teens in Florida clinics a lot and none say they want to play like Djokovic. They're all in on Alcaraz or still with Nadal.
I went to a live-ball 4.0/4.5 clinic and there were 3 1hbh players.

Nobody wants to play boring forever 2hbh rallies, and wait for opponent's error like Zverev, Djoker, Murray. They want to win offensively, with quick points, and style.
Djokovic just mentioned that last week, society wants quicker tennis, not 5 hour long matches of endless rallies and deuces. This was evident during those Djoko/Murray peak years and one of the reasons for the rise in picklball and padel, quick point games.
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Djokovic modified his game to copy Alcaraz, somebody 16 years his junior? Hahaha. I think I've heard it all now.
 
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Hitman said:
There is something you are missing out here, something Federer has, Alacarz has....Ability.

Its not that players don't want to play pretty while winning, the thing is the very large majority cannot play like them. And while you can tell me about Florida clinics....when I actually look where it matters, and that is the pro tour, the majority play like Djokovic, not because it is easy, because it isn't, he makes it look easy, but that is not the same thing, but also because it is efficient at getting them the wins. The style is want part....the game to win is need part, need will always outweigh the want.
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Well said. I cannot disagree.
 
Djokovic is currently on six Wimbledons.

Federer won the 2019 title in my universe, nothing anyone says will ever change it.

Regardless, whatever happens here has zero effect on Fedrs legacy
 
Megafanoftennis100 said:
only because Safiullin saved his arse by knocking out Fonseca.

Don't worry though: Sinner will maul that old man and send him straight to retirement. ;)
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False. I mean, you are right that Djokovic's arse was saved by not having to play Fonseca in R4. But you are wrong that it was Safiullin who saved it. Au contraire. Fonseca saved Djokovic's arse by tanking the match against Safiullin.
 
Hitman said:
There is something you are missing out here, something Federer has, Alacarz has....Ability.

Its not that players don't want to play pretty while winning, the thing is the very large majority cannot play like them. And while you can tell me about Florida clinics....when I actually look where it matters, and that is the pro tour, the majority play like Djokovic, not because it is easy, because it isn't, he makes it look easy, but that is not the same thing, but also because it is efficient at getting them the wins. The style is want part....the game to win is need part, need will always outweigh the want.
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yeah people like to call djokovics brand of tennis, but when I look at it I see textbook examples of what the perfect forehand, backhand, and serve should be. Not to mention the sliding style the he pioneered is a sight to behold.
 
helterskelter said:
False. I mean, you are right that Djokovic's arse was saved by not having to play Fonseca in R4. But you are wrong that it was Safiullin who saved it. Au contraire. Fonseca saved Djokovic's arse by tanking the match against Safiullin.
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I don't think Fonseca is that good on grass yet. He got rolled by Hanfmann in Halle and got rolled by Safiullin. Djokovic probably would have been more focused than he was against Safiullin if he played Fonseca considering that match at RG, and it might have ended up being more straightforward.
 
NoleFam said:
I don't think Fonseca is that good on grass yet. He got rolled by Hanfmann in Halle and got rolled by Safiullin. Djokovic probably would have been more focused than he was against Safiullin if he played Fonseca considering that match at RG, and it might have ended up being more straightforward.
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I was just parodying megafan. I agree with you.
 
NoleFam said:
Yea guys who are normally superior on clay struggle more with grass, at least at 1st.
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Yes, and especially clay players who rely on power a lot and are relatively weak at movement. Musetti is best on clay but better on grass than on hard, but he's a different style.
 
helterskelter said:
Yes, and especially clay players who rely on power a lot and are relatively weak at movement. Musetti is best on clay but better on grass than on hard, but he's a different style.
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Yea and he's pretty talented, and even he took a few years to get going on grass. He lost in the 1st round at Wimbledon in 3 sets for the 1st couple of years. Playing Hurkacz and Fritz didn't help things.
 
NoleFam said:
Yea guys who are normally superior on clay struggle more with grass, at least at 1st.
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Borg was the only one who was natural on both!

Then there were those who were good at one, and then developed a liking for the other. Like Nadal, and Djokovic, who went in the opposite direction.
 
George Turner said:
Djokovic is currently on six Wimbledons.

Federer won the 2019 title in my universe, nothing anyone says will ever change it.
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That you, George?
 
junkieballer said:
Peak Sinner lost the Australian Open semifinal to a Djokovic who was 9 months older than Federer was at Wimbledon 2019.

Federer played incredible at Wimbledon 2019 regardless of age.
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Sinner is the best arse player in an arse generation if we're not counting Alcaraz, it's so sad and embarassing for the sport that was so much more loveable
 
clayqueen said:
Federer winning eight Wimbledon titles is not that convincing. He won in 2009 because Rafa couldn't defend his title. In 2017, Cilic fell apart and ended up in tears on court. Cilic had taken Federer to five arduous sets the previous year.

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Because we all know Rafa excels at defending titles outside clay
 
Zeref123 said:
You could argue Pete had tougher competition, hence why he could not dominate for 5 straight years. Also I believe Pete has one additional final at the event. But I guess it's really debatable.
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That would be true if he didn’t lose to Yzaga, Korda and Rafter
 
mike danny said:
Because we all know Rafa excels at defending titles outside clay
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Rafa did well, considering that in 2005, his doctor told him he couldn't play tennis because of his congenital foot disease. He played injured throughout his career. He was that good on clay that even at well below 100% fit, hardly anyone could beat him.
 
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Federer loves today result. As the leader with 8 Wimbledon trophies, it is very, very secure.
The big 3 each dominated at one slam.
 
Djokovic wasted too many opportunities or had them wasted for him: a USO bird strike and an AO hotel come to mind.
 
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