According to one of Djoker fan, Nole moves ahead of Nadal in ATG at the USO if he wins this year USO
If Djokovic wins the 2023 USO, is he equally great as Nadal at the USO ?
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Razer
G.O.A.T.
Maybe Nole will have a slightly greater claim at USO but I must say that number of titles being same means both players are more or less same for me.
So 4 = 4 would apply because I am not a big fan of counting finals lost, for me finals lost is same as SF lost or QF lost, I see no reason to rank someone ahead by losing occasions
So 4 = 4 would apply because I am not a big fan of counting finals lost, for me finals lost is same as SF lost or QF lost, I see no reason to rank someone ahead by losing occasions
Silverbullet96
Hall of Fame
He will be better I'd say.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Depends how he wins it, if he defeats a high level Alcaraz it’s hard to call that an inflated vulture win, and would be quite impressive. at the very least move him equal to Nadal if not better.
But 2-1 bud remains. The prime for prime matchup went to Nadal. And for that reason I don’t think you can ever say Nadal is worse at the USO than Djokovic.
But 2-1 bud remains. The prime for prime matchup went to Nadal. And for that reason I don’t think you can ever say Nadal is worse at the USO than Djokovic.
TheNachoMan
Legend
He has more match wins and top 10 wins at USO than Nadal. One more title would put him ahead.
Benf15harp
Hall of Fame
“If tiny dies, he dies.” -Novak
Phoenix*
Professional
He's the "beating Fed at Wimbledon" goat though.According to most Djokovic fans, he will eventually win 50 slams. Oh -- and he's definitely the "grass GOAT."
metsman
Talk Tennis Guru
that is true, since Nadal lost to Ferrer at his absolute peak in 2007, Djokovic beating Alcaraz to win the title would show some clear superiority, since Djokovic beat the same 07 Ferrer and even 2012 Ferrer but failed to win.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
It begs the question though, if Djoker does take our 172cm at the USO, does that mean WC was a fluke?
Well that was Knee-dal who didn’t want to discuss his injuries iirc.
22 Alcaraz vs 17 KAndy at USO?
UnforcedTerror
Hall of Fame
We'll talk if it happens.
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
It’d still be the 2-1 Open, bud.
agree, for players of djokovic and nadals calibre only titles count, not second places.
that does not matter. nadal federer at ao is 3-1 for nadal, but federer is much much greater than nadal at ao.
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WeekendTennisHack
Hall of Fame
Are we counting USO17? ***?
TheFifthSet
Legend
Provided that it bests Nadal’s ‘17, yes, or a little better.
Tennfan123
Legend
1. It won’t happen.
2. 2,1 bud.
2. 2,1 bud.
topher
Hall of Fame
What is that table sorted by? By wins Roger is in front of Novak, by percent Rafa is in front of Roger. Also, 67/75 = 89.3%. Assuming typo?
Since tables are too hard for Novak fans, let’s keep it simple: 2-1, bud.
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
Exactly. And watch, if he wins, it'll be with an absolute joke draw as always...
The guy couldn't even win a set against Medvedev in the final 2 years ago...
But yeah, 2-1 in finals v Nadal prime for prime...
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
ghostofMecir
Legend
Nadal has played extremely weak competition at the USO BUT has played exceptionally well in two finals vs. Djoko, so it’s weird.
Nadal
7-5 vs. Top 10
Wins vs. Djoko twice, Murphy, Thiem, Gasquet, Medvdev, Verdasco
Losses vs. Djoko, Roddick, Delpo twice, Murray
Three top 10 wins in title runs, none in 2017
Djokovic
14-8 vs.Top 10
Wins vs. Fedr three times, Nadal, Delpo twice, Zverev, Wawrinka, Ferrer, Verdasco, Murray, Cilic, Berretini, Roddick
Five top 10 wins in title runs
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
That extremely weak competition straight set Djok's ass out of there in the final lol
Or maybe you're referring to 2017? Is that when he played a final against the guy who knocked Federer out of Wimbledon about 9 months later?
Nevertheless, Djok's 2018 run was just as weak as Nadal's 2017. JMDP the only real challenge for both and in both years when facing them, he was below his best.
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
That’s not going to happen.
How far he goes will depend on his draw. There are several people who could take him out.
He isn’t as mentally focused as he once was. He seems to be getting involved with crowds, yelling at his box (goodness they even look embarrassed) and generally looking agitated and unwell. He’s going to face a lot of players who know think this guy isn’t the invincible force he was due to his loss at Wimbledon.
We’re going to see in a few months time where exactly this guy’s head is at.
How far he goes will depend on his draw. There are several people who could take him out.
He isn’t as mentally focused as he once was. He seems to be getting involved with crowds, yelling at his box (goodness they even look embarrassed) and generally looking agitated and unwell. He’s going to face a lot of players who know think this guy isn’t the invincible force he was due to his loss at Wimbledon.
We’re going to see in a few months time where exactly this guy’s head is at.
chjtennis
G.O.A.T.
I'd put Djokovic ahead because he has been more consistent over a longer period at USO. However, losing 2 finals to Nadal can always be used as a reason against his superiority over Rafa. Nadal also had 1 very soft run to the title and I think it would be reasonable to put Djokovic ahead. Djokovic's final losses were against Federer, Wawrinka, Murray and Medvedev, all quality champions. By the way, it is absolutely amazing that Federer and Nadal never played at USO. I think it should have happened in 2017 but it was unfortunate Federer hurt his back in Montreal final that year.
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mike danny
Bionic Poster
Old and diminished Fed.
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