If Fed makes it to the semis he will crush Djoker

Djokovic will be the favourite, if they meet, but Federer ain't going down without giving his current best (which might or might not wins him the match, depending on a plethora of other things).
 
Can TT administer some kind of IQ/intelligence test when people sign up for accounts?

It's bad enough we've got so many existing idiots, we shouldn't have to suffer NEW idiots.
 

Carsomyr

Legend
If, by some miracle, Nadal loses before Federer and Djokovic are scheduled to meet and they both end up in the semis, I'd say Federer has a realistic shot; both will have dollar signs in their eyes, but it would be old hat for Fed - been there, done that. All the pressure would be on Djokovic as the now massive favorite.

But should Nadal cruise through his half like he likely will, I think Fed will (subconsciously or not) already have his eye on Wimbledon, and Djokovic might paste him pretty good.
 

Chanwan

G.O.A.T.
If, by some miracle, Nadal loses before Federer and Djokovic are scheduled to meet and they both end up in the semis, I'd say Federer has a realistic shot; both will have dollar signs in their eyes, but it would be old hat for Fed - been there, done that. All the pressure would be on Djokovic as the now massive favorite.

But should Nadal cruise through his half like he likely will, I think Fed will (subconsciously or not) already have his eye on Wimbledon, and Djokovic might paste him pretty good.

I would expect Nadal's semi to play later (given that he's playing later now). So for this scenario to happen, he would have to lose to Ferrer (he can't possibly lose to his 3rd and 4th round opponents ranked somewhere between 57 and 120).
 

Carsomyr

Legend
I would expect Nadal's semi to play later (given that he's playing later now). So for this scenario to happen, he would have to lose to Ferrer (he can't possibly lose to his 3rd and 4th round opponents ranked somewhere between 57 and 120).

Indeed. A miracle.

8)
 

sbengte

G.O.A.T.
Gulbis and Berdych anyone? Neither will be favored, but both will have a very decent chance of upsetting Fed.

Gulbis in Fed or Djoker's draw => Gulbis who ? Fed/Djoker has a cakewalk
Gulbis in Nadal's draw => Nadal's draw is the toughest

#VBLogicFTW
 

Mr Federer

Rookie
It doesn't really matter who he'll face in the semi. He will demolish his opponent. If his form is good enough to make it that far he won't blow another chance to make the final of a GS, assuming he isn't worn out from any 5-setters. Agree?

Rog is playing well but mate to say hes gonna crush novak i dont think so even me being a huge fan thats just stupid to think, but if he keeps this form i can see him scraping through
 

Omega_7000

Legend
It doesn't really matter who he'll face in the semi. He will demolish his opponent. If his form is good enough to make it that far he won't blow another chance to make the final of a GS, assuming he isn't worn out from any 5-setters. Agree?

This is Ralph fan posing as a Fed fan trying to get a rise out of people...and some people are gullible enough to fall for it...

The idiocy presented sometimes....

:grin:

The idiocy presented sometimes....

:grin:
 

spinovic

Hall of Fame
I certainly think it is possible, but beating Djoker in a best-of-five on clay will be one of the more difficult tasks for old man Fed.
 

Feather

Legend
If you just think of what Fed did in RG'11 , the mind boggles.
Had Djoker made the final and crushed Nadal, it would have had a big impact on the results of future slams. Nadal would have taken a long long time to recover his confidence , if at all he did come back and the slam tally would have looked quite different for all of them.

I don't care whether Roger Federer loses in final to Nadal for the nth time or not if Roger and Djokovic play RG 2014 semi final, I would want Roger to win. It's impossible for me to root against him. When I became a Roger fan he never had the slam record. I didn't become his fan coz of 17 slams so I am not losing sleep over Nadal breaking that record.

To be honest, RG 2011 win over Djokovic is probably his best win since his peak days. He did beat Murray and Djokovic in SW19 2012 but that's grass

Seriously I feel pity for Roger fans who are upset over Roger's win in RG 2011 as that win, on his worst surface speaks volumes about his clay prowesss. Forever, I will cherish that win. Allez Roger Federer
 

PrinceMoron

Legend
It doesn't really matter who he'll face in the semi. He will demolish his opponent. If his form is good enough to make it that far he won't blow another chance to make the final of a GS, assuming he isn't worn out from any 5-setters. Agree?
What is a ten letter word that means no?
 

Chanwan

G.O.A.T.
I don't care whether Roger Federer loses in final to Nadal for the nth time or not if Roger and Djokovic play RG 2014 semi final, I would want Roger to win. It's impossible for me to root against him. When I became a Roger fan he never had the slam record. I didn't become his fan coz of 17 slams so I am not losing sleep over Nadal breaking that record.

To be honest, RG 2011 win over Djokovic is probably his best win since his peak days. He did beat Murray and Djokovic in SW19 2012 but that's grass

Seriously I feel pity for Roger fans who are upset over Roger's win in RG 2011 as that win, on his worst surface speaks volumes about his clay prowesss. Forever, I will cherish that win. Allez Roger Federer

amen to that.
And I too am really worried about Gulbis. He's got the power to blow Roger off the court and pummel his backhand.
 

monfed

Banned
I don't care whether Roger Federer loses in final to Nadal for the nth time or not if Roger and Djokovic play RG 2014 semi final, I would want Roger to win. It's impossible for me to root against him. When I became a Roger fan he never had the slam record. I didn't become his fan coz of 17 slams so I am not losing sleep over Nadal breaking that record.

To be honest, RG 2011 win over Djokovic is probably his best win since his peak days. He did beat Murray and Djokovic in SW19 2012 but that's grass

Seriously I feel pity for Roger fans who are upset over Roger's win in RG 2011 as that win, on his worst surface speaks volumes about his clay prowesss. Forever, I will cherish that win. Allez Roger Federer

Sometimes you have to pick your battles wisely and it's better to lose a battle to win the war, especially when it's not even such a pivotal one,not for Fed anyway. Sometimes it's better to just cut your losses. Instead, Fed tried being a hero. BIG.MISTAKE.

Fed knew deep down he wasn't beating Nadal in the final, and you could see the effects of that mentality after that missed dropshot. Do you really think 1 missed shot would cost him the set against ANY other player? Think again. He basically just collapsed after that point because he felt he just can't get it done v/s moonboy on his favourite surface, he just doesn't have that belief. And that's not exactly a revelation is it? Any Fed fan worth his salt knows that.

So, what did he gain out of beating Nole? Essentially nothing apart from some fame. Actually, he made the single biggest mistake of his entire career. And I'll tell you why so bear with me -

If Fed had lost that SF, Nole would've dismantled Nadal in that final on his pet slam and thus would've been deeply ingrained in Ralph's psyche plus it would've marked the change in the establishment, ala Wim 08 moment. And odds are that the after effects of this devastating loss would've dominoed into Nadal not faring well at Wimbledon and USO. And what does that mean? Fed would've had a real shot of winning either Wimby/USO esp USO because I think Nadal wouldn't have made that final either. And knowing Nadal's not in the final, Fed would've been a lock to win the USO had he beaten Nole in that SF.

I find it quite surprising and also somewhat telling that a lot of posters on this board just don't understand Nadal's end game even after all these years of it being so blatantly obvious. It's simple - He WANTS that slam record,AT.ANY.COST to the point of shamelessness. He will underplay it to the media and everyone else and have them think that he doesn't care but you would be a fool to believe his bluff.

So how does he do it? What is his plan of attack?
It's Simple - No matter what, win RG. It keeps his slam total ticking over and keeps him in the hunt for the slam record. Nadal basically enters every year with one expectation - Win RG at any cost. If he wins a non-clay slam , it's a bonus,nothing more nothing less. Why do you think that even after winning 7/8 RGs he's still putting maximum effort into winning RG? Nadal fans are OK with Ralph losing everywhere except RG EVEN after he's got the record 8 there. Why do you think that is? It's simple - If Ralph loses his clay throne, his slam chase is over. But now he's so close to Fed's slam record that he may lose RG and just about freewheel another 4, though that will be extremely hard since he's such a limited player.

Also, realise that Ralph hasn't skipped a single clay season since he won his first RG in 05 for all his injuries. That's 10 CONSECUTIVE years, my friend. In all those years he's skipped every other slam, but not RG. The reason is simple - He's terribly insecure of losing his clay bastion because he feels that if he loses that the slam chase comes crashing down like a pack of cards.

Back to the effects of that RG 11 loss, I believe that 2011 would've been Nadal's first slamless year and deep down when he knows that RG isn't a lock anymore,it would've nipped his slam chase in the bud. It's ironic that Fred said in his presser after that victory that it was a birthday present to the nadal. So basically even Fred believed even with all his hate for Nole that Nole would've eliminated Ralph. How funny is that?

Furthermore, if Ralph had lost his clay supremacy to Nole , he would've felt in future clay encounters that if Nole can beat him even at RG then he wouold've been even more clueless and may not have turned it around at MC 12. He may have lost that RG 12 final too because the ghosts of RG 11 F would've reared its ugly head while Ralph went on that 8 game losing spree. Ralph would've doubted himself.

People underestimate the raw power of the mental edge, it's absolutely MASSIVE in sports esp tennis. Real Fed fans CARE about his legacy deeply, they want Fed to finish on top and be the best player ever. That doesn't make you a gloryhunter, rather it shows how deeply you care about Fed's career. Nothing wrong in wanting your favourite player to be at the top, everyone wants it, just that some people talk about it less/don't wanna admit it. That's not how he'll be remembered if Nadal ends up with more slams than him is it?

Not saying you're not a real Fed fan, Feather, but you need to look at the bigger picture and realise that's it not wrong if Fed loses a match or for you to dislike Nadal. Nadald@rds tell you you're not a true tennis fan if you don't appreciate Ralph but ignore the trash talk/projections and just enjoy and celebrate Fed's successes and be mindful of his legacy because trust me as a fan it will hurt to know that Fed's not numero uno anymore. ;)
 
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victorcruz

Hall of Fame
Make it happen, man. Cannot understand some of these guys who used to kill Nadal for having a great head to head record because he never played Fed at his prime on HC or Grass in the Finals but now they would prefer he let Djokavic through :lol: The insecurity is high on these guys. "Boohoo, since my god can't do it anymore, I want you to stop him Djoker, boohoo" :D

This guy above me doesn't sleep much nowadays. He has to come up with hypothetical novel endings to feel better :lol:
 

sunny_cali

Semi-Pro
Gulbis and Berdych anyone? Neither will be favored, but both will have a very decent chance of upsetting Fed.

Not only do both have a decent chance of beating Fed, it's come to the point where you can hardly call it an upset.

People talk about the BH, but to me the most striking aspect of Fed's game these days, is that the GOAT FH is just another top-10 FH these days. Gone are the days when he could pull the trigger and end the point with his FH at will from literally anywhere on the court. It's such a "safe" shot these days :(

Positive side, his movement especially to his BH side were pretty good - as good as 2012.
 

underground

G.O.A.T.
Sometimes you have to pick your battles wisely and it's better to lose a battle to win the war, especially when it's not even such a pivotal one,not for Fed anyway. Sometimes it's better to just cut your losses. Instead, Fed tried being a hero. BIG.MISTAKE.

Fed knew deep down he wasn't beating Nadal in the final, and you could see the effects of that mentality after that missed dropshot. Do you really think 1 missed shot would cost him the set against ANY other player? Think again. He basically just collapsed after that point because he felt he just can't get it done v/s moonboy on his favourite surface, he just doesn't have that belief. And that's not exactly a revelation is it? Any Fed fan worth his salt knows that.

So, what did he gain out of beating Nole? Essentially nothing apart from some fame. Actually, he made the single biggest mistake of his entire career. And I'll tell you why so bear with me -

If Fed had lost that SF, Nole would've dismantled Nadal in that final on his pet slam and thus would've been deeply ingrained in Ralph's psyche plus it would've marked the change in the establishment, ala Wim 08 moment. And odds are that the after effects of this devastating loss would've dominoed into Nadal not faring well at Wimbledon and USO. And what does that mean? Fed would've had a real shot of winning either Wimby/USO esp USO because I think Nadal wouldn't have made that final either. And knowing Nadal's not in the final, Fed would've been a lock to win the USO had he beaten Nole in that SF.

I find it quite surprising and also somewhat telling that a lot of posters on this board just don't understand Nadal's end game even after all these years of it being so blatantly obvious. It's simple - He WANTS that slam record,AT.ANY.COST to the point of shamelessness. He will underplay it to the media and everyone else and have them think that he doesn't care but you would be a fool to believe his bluff.

So how does he do it? What is his plan of attack?
It's Simple - No matter what, win RG. It keeps his slam total ticking over and keeps him in the hunt for the slam record. Nadal basically enters every year with one expectation - Win RG at any cost. If he wins a non-clay slam , it's a bonus,nothing more nothing less. Why do you think that even after winning 7/8 RGs he's still putting maximum effort into winning RG? Nadal fans are OK with Ralph losing everywhere except RG EVEN after he's got the record 8 there. Why do you think that is? It's simple - If Ralph loses his clay throne, his slam chase is over. But now he's so close to Fed's slam record that he may lose RG and just about freewheel another 4, though that will be extremely hard since he's such a limited player.

Also, realise that Ralph hasn't skipped a single clay season since he won his first RG in 05 for all his injuries. That's 10 CONSECUTIVE years, my friend. In all those years he's skipped every other slam, but not RG. The reason is simple - He's terribly insecure of losing his clay bastion because he feels that if he loses that the slam chase comes crashing down like a pack of cards.

Back to the effects of that RG 11 loss, I believe that 2011 would've been Nadal's first slamless year and deep down when he knows that RG isn't a lock anymore,it would've nipped his slam chase in the bud. It's ironic that Fred said in his presser after that victory that it was a birthday present to the nadal. So basically even Fred believed even with all his hate for Nole that Nole would've eliminated Ralph. How funny is that?

Furthermore, if Ralph had lost his clay supremacy to Nole , he would've felt in future clay encounters that if Nole can beat him even at RG then he wouold've been even more clueless and may not have turned it around at MC 12. He may have lost that RG 12 final too because the ghosts of RG 11 F would've reared its ugly head while Ralph went on that 8 game losing spree. Ralph would've doubted himself.

People underestimate the raw power of the mental edge, it's absolutely MASSIVE in sports esp tennis. Real Fed fans CARE about his legacy deeply, they want Fed to finish on top and be the best player ever. That doesn't make you a gloryhunter, rather it shows how deeply you care about Fed's career. Nothing wrong in wanting your favourite player to be at the top, everyone wants it, just that some people talk about it less/don't wanna admit it. That's not how he'll be remembered if Nadal ends up with more slams than him is it?

Not saying you're not a real Fed fan, Feather, but you need to look at the bigger picture and realise that's it not wrong if Fed loses a match or for you to dislike Nadal. Nadald@rds tell you you're not a true tennis fan if you don't appreciate Ralph but ignore the trash talk/projections and just enjoy and celebrate Fed's successes and be mindful of his legacy because trust me as a fan it will hurt to know that Fed's not numero uno anymore. ;)

Uhm no. I'm not gonna bother writing a whole page. But you ARE a glory hunter. Real Fed fans would just want Fed to win and enjoy tennis, NOT to compare him with anyone else.

No deep down Fed still wants to have a crack at winning Roland Garros, if he had the chance to reach the final. You're clouded by this whole GOAT debate between Fedal. Real Fed fans would just want Fed to achieve the best possible results for FEDERER HIMSELF.
 

Chanwan

G.O.A.T.
Not only do both have a decent chance of beating Fed, it's come to the point where you can hardly call it an upset.

People talk about the BH, but to me the most striking aspect of Fed's game these days, is that the GOAT FH is just another top-10 FH these days. Gone are the days when he could pull the trigger and end the point with his FH at will from literally anywhere on the court. It's such a "safe" shot these days :(

Positive side, his movement especially to his BH side were pretty good - as good as 2012.

Yeah, the pop is gone. A lot of the magic is too. I just to shake my head in disbelief a dozen of times in a Fed match. Now, it's usually only a couple if even that.
And yes, neither would be a true upset.
 

Chanwan

G.O.A.T.
Yes it would be a travesty to not have your delicious Fedal BH abuse final right? :lol:

Monfed, I can somewhat agree with your post 76 on an intellectual level, but once the match starts, I cannot but root for Fed. I know, cause I tried otherwise in that 2011-match - partly because I wanted Djoko's streak to continue for the history books, partly because I wanted him to take out Rafa.
Fed came fairly close to winning 2 of the first 3. Of course he didn't in the end, cause Rafa is firmly in his head, even when Fed is playing the better tennis, he loses.

I'll be cheering for Fed, if Fed-Djoko semi happens. But I won't be angry or sad if he loses.
 

LazyNinja19

Banned
Post #76 is one of the funniest I've read on this forum. Everyone should read it.

Halfway through that post, i could visualize a sad lil Monfed tearing up as he wrote that comment :lol:
LOL. He thinks professional sports go like this. Like Fed would have a contract with Novak, that he would roll over if Djoko could beat Rafa in the final.
If Fed had such a pitiful mentality, then he wouldn't be where he is.

Fed would be so sorry to know that he has such fans, who would like him to lose, rather than have a go at another title, just because these fangirls can't handle it.
 

Backspin1183

Talk Tennis Guru
I actually thought it made a whole lot of sense but I can understand your not agreeing with that being a Nadal fan. :wink:

It made me laugh. Nadal lost 3 straight Slam finals to Novak after RG 2011. Didn't stop him from coming back and beating Novak in next 3 Slam encounters.
And if Fed chose to lose to Novak, he'd be to the Serb what Berdych is to Rafa. Real Fed fans wouldn't want that.

Also no one knows for sure if Novak would have beaten Rafa in that final or not.
 

Chanwan

G.O.A.T.
It made me laugh. Nadal lost 3 straight Slam finals to Novak after RG 2011. Didn't stop him from coming back and beating Novak in next 3 Slam encounters.
And if Fed chose to lose to Novak, he'd be to the Serb what Berdych is to Rafa. Real Fed fans wouldn't want that.

Also no one knows for sure if Novak would have beaten Rafa in that final or not.

It's not quite comparable though. Fed has lost what, 6?, slam meetings in a row to Rafa ever since FO 2008. He ain't beating him at the FO or AO again. He's got chances at Wim and US, but in a bo5, Rafa is the vast favorite anywhere but Wimbledon by now given the match-up and the age difference.

When Rafa and Djoko both are in form, no one is truly favored. It's whoever brings it on the day and often, they win in streaks (i.e. mental advantage from the previous match).

But I would still never want Fed to lose any match on purpose and I would not cheer against him, even if I was 90-95 % sure of the outcome of the next match (in this case the FO-final vs. Rafa in 2014)
 
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