GameSampras
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What do u guys think? Now that he doesnt have to deal with Djoker and Nadal, will that hurt Fed's standing on your GOAT list, or will you move him up a few nots on the list regardless?
If Fed wins the French, where will he end up on your GOAT list?
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1-handed-backhand
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FED WOULD DESTROY LAVER AND BORG AND SAMPRAS
LAVER WAS 5FT 8
BORG COULDNT WIN THE US OPEN ON CLAY
SAMPRAS COULDNT PLAY ON CLAY
SAMPRAS IS CLOSEST TO FED (BORG AND LAVER SUCK), AND I THINK THE FO iS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM
LAVER WAS 5FT 8
BORG COULDNT WIN THE US OPEN ON CLAY
SAMPRAS COULDNT PLAY ON CLAY
SAMPRAS IS CLOSEST TO FED (BORG AND LAVER SUCK), AND I THINK THE FO iS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM
pabletion
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Def. GOAT. EVen though hes not my favorite player, but I'd have to accept him being the greatest ever. He's already done what Sampras could never do, get to the Frech Finals, not only once, and cmon, he wouldve won them if it werent for Nadal, who is possibly the greatest claycourter ever. His chances to win the French almost lie completely on this year. Winning the french is winning the french. Who did Agassi beat in the 99 final? Muster? Kuerten? Rios? nope..... still, he won all four GS; it is what it is. Koodos to Fed if he pulls it off, I think he will.
After your first reply, I thought you had the only sensible response to the thread topic. Silly me.
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woodrow1029
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Borg and Laver suck? You fail!
Laugh out loud. What would Fed have to do to be top 5? Win 3 calendar slams? Perhaps going undefeated in an entire season is what it takes?
I'm not much into the GOAT thing(ridiculous word anyway), but I'm convinced that winning this title would make EVERY difference. He's already showed of course that he can compete on Clay better than McEnroe or Sampras. However, I think this would be his most special trophy since winning Wimbledon in 2003. I don't really care who he plays, that's not for the history books. History won't remember he was as close to elimination against 31 year old Tommy Haas. For me, it will all be the confirmation that he is good enough to win Roland Garros. He's had bad rides here, great streaks here and he made it to playing Rafa every single time. If he once doesn't have to face him and wins straightway that only confirms again that he is a very worthy second best claycourter of this era.
For me, he'd be top 5 of Open era no doubt. Probably no. 1 or 2.Before that it's hard to compare.
Won't work, weak era you know
Well, I think that if he wins the french and adds another title from the other 3 he has to be considered GOAT.....a Career grand slam....6 Wimbledons, 6 Us Opens, 4 Australian Opens and 1 French Open giving him a total of 17 grand slams...the 17 grand slams is pushing it but until the end of his career I think he has 1 of each of the other three slams left in him....but that would solidify him as GOAT...seriously...
thalivest
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ROTFL!! So Federer would complete the only thing Agassi in anyway, shape, or form has over him, when Federer's career destroys Agassi's in every other way, and Federer would be barely top 10 while Agassi would be over "all of them". I couldnt dream up more profound logic if I tried.
haha, spot on.. I hope he was joking seriously.
lambielspins
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Agassi definitely did not beat the best clay courters to win the French Open and his career slam is still lauded over so of course it really doesnt matter who Federer played in that case.
Winning the French would eliminate the biggest gap in Fed's resume, but it would not, in my view, make him the GOAT. That distinction probably still belongs to Laver, who won the Grand Slam as an amateur, turned pro and won the professional equivalent of the Slam, and when Open tennis arrived completed another Grand Slam against all comers. Laver competed successfully against all his contemporaries on every surface, and as such he has the most perfect record of any male player.
DoubleDeuce
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Surely above sampras, and that's all you need to know.
TsongaEatingAPineappleLol
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Everyone wants him to tie Sampras, I want him to beat Sampras so I can tell my kids that Federer was in my day. :twisted:
grizzly4life
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i'm a little torn, but i think fed's slide in the last year has really harmed his GOAT status.
of course, he would have two of the grand slam titles and 5-set finals in the other 2.
some slump, LOL!!!......... but still i feel it somehow.
i think fed's beyond sampras, but i think laver and borg might be better (obviously GOAT relative to your own time)
of course, he would have two of the grand slam titles and 5-set finals in the other 2.
some slump, LOL!!!......... but still i feel it somehow.
i think fed's beyond sampras, but i think laver and borg might be better (obviously GOAT relative to your own time)
jamesblakefan#1
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13 slams and he's not on the Op's GOAT List, whatever that is? OK, I guess every player that ever played has 13, oh wait only 2 do.
adidas_wilson
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I love Roger, but even if he gets the French and ties Sampras, or even surpass him. He would still only be #2 to Laver..
As the surfaces have changed. I would say that he would only need one calander slam to equal Laver. But can't see that happening.
Laver #1, Federer #2. And I think Roger would even agree on that also...
As the surfaces have changed. I would say that he would only need one calander slam to equal Laver. But can't see that happening.
Laver #1, Federer #2. And I think Roger would even agree on that also...
Radical10is
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Obviously everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I just don't see how these two eras can even be placed on the same list. Laver did accomplish great achievements, but Federer is by FAR the superior player... I guess this also answers the greats of all time question... Federer = 1!!!:twisted::mrgreen:
1-handed-backhand
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this board really doesn't know much
i know you dont consider it a big deal but LAVER BEING A GNOME IS A BIG DEAL
Chang would be GOAT otherwise
in Laver's day, the wooden rackets were almost an equaliser because you couldn't hit bombs like you can with todays rackets
Laver isn't top 25, what he did in his own era was for that period
Borg is ahead of Laver, but Sampras is ahead of both
Federer and Nadal are both ahead of Borg and Laver
Federer is level with Sampras currently but needs a FO to pass him
i know you dont consider it a big deal but LAVER BEING A GNOME IS A BIG DEAL
Chang would be GOAT otherwise
in Laver's day, the wooden rackets were almost an equaliser because you couldn't hit bombs like you can with todays rackets
Laver isn't top 25, what he did in his own era was for that period
Borg is ahead of Laver, but Sampras is ahead of both
Federer and Nadal are both ahead of Borg and Laver
Federer is level with Sampras currently but needs a FO to pass him
egn
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I still don't get how completing the career slam in any way can hurt his standing? Can you please explain this to me? It makes his French Open win look easier but how could winning this title hurt him? If Fed wins this he definitely will get an up and be top 5 on my list. However not sure where he is. Laver is still ahead of him. I am looking at him probably 3 or 4. I believe I have Fed 6 or 7 as it is so I guess than it is like a 3 spot improvement.
adidas_wilson
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Like I said in another thread. Are you like 12?
I wouldn't mind so much if you actually gave decent intelligent reasons for your opinion. But you are just talking absolute *****. Something expected from a dribbling child..
1-handed-backhand
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Laver's first Grandslam in 62 was meaningless, in 63 he was being killed by the pros
in 69 most of the pros were old and past their primes, he still lost 16 times that year
fed lost 15 times total between 04-06
gonzales beat laver, when gonzales was in his 40s
what he has done was exceptional but it isn't anywhere near Fed's level
or petes level
in a straight match up i'd expect pete and Rog to hand Rod breadsticks
Radical10is
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T1000
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He'd be top 6 with laver, sampras, borg, tilden, and gonzalez. He was better than sampras on clay, about even on hard, but sampras better on grass. borg was much better on clay, but fed takes hard and id say even on grass. i haven't seen much of laver, gonzalez, and tilden but from what ive seen, read, and heard, they could give fed a good match
egn
Hall of Fame
Did Laver have 112 wins and something like 16 titles in 1969? Also look up the year 1967.. Laver had a fair share of great years. If you are talking about single season performance than pete should definitely be held against that, Pete has one season only with 10 titles. Laver has sources putting him between 180-200 titles. Pete has 60? Laver won 11 grand slams, and 8 of the Pro Majors during the Professional era. He did not suck on the pro circuit. He had a first bad year 63 like expected but from them on he won a pro major every year winning at least 2 of the 3 every year except 1965 in which he won only one. You do also realize Laver was 31 when he won the calendar year slam in 1969. Gimeno was 32 who he beat, Rosewall was 35(but defending French Open Champ), Roche was 24 and Newcombe was 25..So really two guys were old and two were young. Newcombe would go on to be a top player on the circuit for most of the early 70s He is a sadly forgotten great of tennis. Don't down his calendar year slam with lies. THere were tons of young guys in 69, Ashe, Newcombe, Roche, Tanner, Okker, Smith etc. Laver was truly amazing.
adidas_wilson
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The comment about Chang just lost you all the credibility (if any) that you had
adidas_wilson
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Laver wasn't actually a S&Ver.
He was an all court player..
Chang was a pusher...
He was an all court player..
Chang was a pusher...
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AprilFool
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Like the great Rod Laver wrote in Time's tribute to Fed, let's wait until his career is over before we answer that question.
However, it is fun to speculate. And I'd have to agree with Laver and the other GOATS that he's the best I've ever SEEN play the game. (and because most of the GOAT comments came before he had amassed all of those records I believe they were talking about his form and talent).
I don't subscribe to the arbitrary "rule' that he has to win the French to be GOAT. He has so many other records and if he goes on to win fifteen plus Slams in addition to his finals at the French it won't matter much, imo.
However, it is fun to speculate. And I'd have to agree with Laver and the other GOATS that he's the best I've ever SEEN play the game. (and because most of the GOAT comments came before he had amassed all of those records I believe they were talking about his form and talent).
I don't subscribe to the arbitrary "rule' that he has to win the French to be GOAT. He has so many other records and if he goes on to win fifteen plus Slams in addition to his finals at the French it won't matter much, imo.
kungfusmkim
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Madam, do you realized that if federer wins a FO he ties agassi in number of FO's and smuthers him in his own gym socks in the number of GS's won?
Nadal_Freak
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It doesn't mean much really. It was sort of handed to him. He had to beat Nadal in the final to be GOAT imo.
Easily #1 if he wins. Most consecutive weeks at #1. Complete domination (unheard of) for a number of years. The only player outside of Agassi to win a real career slam and not a grass career slam like Laver. Plays in an era where the depth in tennis is extremely high (if you factor in what a global game tennis is now and the huge infrastructure--dwarfs Laver's era). And he ties the record for most slams ever won by a male tennis player. Easily the greatest. Sampras is #2.
Laver as GOAT is a joke, quite frankly. Thankfully, professionals and people in the sport don't talk about him being the GOAT and even Federer and Sampras have acknowledged how different tennis was back in Laver's area. A player of Laver's ability and athleticism would get soundly beat by any of the top ATP pros regardless of what type of racquets they were using. Luckily, the real world sees that, even of the TW fantasy world occasionally has a few eccentric characters who think otherwise.
So yeah, Federer will be GOAT if he wins the French Open.
Laver as GOAT is a joke, quite frankly. Thankfully, professionals and people in the sport don't talk about him being the GOAT and even Federer and Sampras have acknowledged how different tennis was back in Laver's area. A player of Laver's ability and athleticism would get soundly beat by any of the top ATP pros regardless of what type of racquets they were using. Luckily, the real world sees that, even of the TW fantasy world occasionally has a few eccentric characters who think otherwise.
So yeah, Federer will be GOAT if he wins the French Open.
World Beater
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i think its quite frankly disrespectful to say that laver is a joke. he was a great player and a great talent.
the fact that there are some historians who hold him in GOAT esteem shouldn't influence your opinions on the player. laver, kramer, roche all have talked about how much more competetive things have become...i think they all know. no need to knock the guy.
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