If Federer and Nadal meet in the USO Finals

Who wins at the US open?

  • Federer

    Votes: 73 63.5%

  • Nadal

    Votes: 42 36.5%
  • Total voters
    115
MichaelNadal

MichaelNadal

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Who will win? This has never happened but this year seems to be the year Nadal just MIGHT go the distance.. if the draw has Fed/Rafa on opposing sides and they do meet in the US Open final, who do you think WOULD win? Not who you want to win!
 
pyrokid

pyrokid

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Rafa.
Fed's lacking confidence at the moment and nadal is a momentum player. He will probably be playing very well after Wimby.
 
OKUSA

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I have to go for Federer, seems like he's lacking motivation, and a match like this hew ould be extremely motivated to win no matter what
 
tea

tea

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No contest here. If that to happen (unlikely because of Nadal's skills limitation) Federer will school the dirtballer how this game is supposed to be played on a fast hardcourt.
 
BreakPoint

BreakPoint

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If the rankings don't change between now and the US Open, there's a very good chance Federer and Nadal will meet in the semis rather than the finals.
 
Bud

Bud

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BreakPoint said:
If the rankings don't change between now and the US Open, there's a very good chance Federer and Nadal will meet in the semis rather than the finals.
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I'd prefer to see them in the semis :)

Federer must go further than Djokovic in Toronto and then defend his Cincy title to earn the #2 ranking at the open. If Djokovic goes further in Toronto and then defends his final (or wins Cincy) he's a lock for #2.

It will be a nail biter as both are currently in questionable form.
 
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cueboyzn

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Nadal can't exploit Fed's backhand on the US Open like he can on some other slower higher bouncing surfaces.
 
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miyagi

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Fed is far the superior player at USO but Nadal always finds a way to win on the big occassions and the king has to be dethrowned at some stage right?

It's a toss up to me! I'd go with Nadal by the slimmest of margins.
 
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dmt

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honestly even as a nadal fan, id give the edge to federer. The surface suits his game perfectly. Still i think Nadal would make it a competitive match
 
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Deleted member 21996

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tea said:
Nah, this just shows that sometimes even here sane logic prevails.


Why would we go into depression? It's not like our man hasn't won a single title in 11 month. Though as I remember it didn't take you all 11 to go into that tragic mood. Quite the contrary, fun times are coming, always excitement to spectate this pseudo no.1 player at this period of the year.
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off topic... that is heather watson in you avie right?
 
DragonBlaze

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Sartorius said:
Federer was nowhere near close to being a clear favourite in Wimbledon 2008.

And he was the favourite in AO (and only in the final, not at the start of the tournament) rather because Nadal supposedly was going to run out of gas in the final.

In any case a USO meeting would be a mouthwatering concept with history being on the line again, and also it would be the first GS match between them where the surface is Nadal's worst and Federer's best. I think Federer would have a better chance or a bigger edge if they met in previous years. Now it seems like a very close call.

I think neither of them is a 'lock' for the final anyway.
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I think Federer is too crap these days while Nadal is at his best (as of yet). Unlike Federer of the past, he's very up and down as well, he could be playing fantastic and then the next match be absolutely crud. I guess we shall find out. I shall only hope for a Federer win!
 
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octogon

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How the hell does Federer win every poll on this forum?

It's getting ridiculous now. Federer is an underdog against Nadal on any surface, especially at this stage of his career and current form. In a slam final, it's even worse, because Nadal always goes for broke when there's another slam trophy to bite.

If they were to meet, being kind, I'd say Fed had a 30% chance of winning to Nadal's 70%.
 
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octogon said:
How the hell does Federer win every poll on this forum?

If they were to meet, being kind, I'd say Fed had a 30% chance of winning to Nadal's 70%.
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start a poll about asking who lives in Spain... bet nadal will win...! :twisted:
 
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Rippy

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octogon said:
How the hell does Federer win every poll on this forum?
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He doesn't...

Those poll results aren't especially odd. Despite the fact I personally believe Nadal would win, Federer has won it 5 times and Nadal has never won it.
 
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octogon

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Rippy said:
He doesn't...

Those poll results aren't especially odd. Despite the fact I personally believe Nadal would win, Federer has won it 5 times and Nadal has never won it.
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I think the results are odd, because we know the history between these two players and both their current form. And Federer's past results in winning the US Open can be thrown out the window, if he's opposite Nadal in the final. Fed had won the Australian Open 3 times before he first faced Nadal in the final there. Nadal had never even made the final, and we all know how that result ended.

Bottom line, if Nadal makes the final, and Federer is on the opposite side of the net, common sense should suggest that with all we know about these guys, Nadal is going to win.
 
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Jchurch

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octogon said:
I think the results are odd, because we know the history between these two players and both their current form. And Federer's past results in winning the US Open can be thrown out the window, if he's opposite Nadal in the final. Fed had won the Australian Open 3 times before he first faced Nadal in the final there. Nadal had never even made the final, and we all know how that result ended.

Bottom line, if Nadal makes the final, and Federer is on the opposite side of the net, common sense should suggest that with all we know about these guys, Nadal is going to win.
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That "IF" Nadal makes the final is as big as the moon. Either way, history shows that Nadal barely beats Federer off of clay at slams. Frankly, I don't see Nadal beating Federer at the USO. As much as Federer has dominated Wimbledon, the USO is where he plays his best tennis.
 
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octogon

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Jchurch said:
That "IF" Nadal makes the final is as big as the moon. Either way, history shows that Nadal barely beats Federer off of clay at slams. Frankly, I don't see Nadal beating Federer at the USO. As much as Federer has dominated Wimbledon, the USO is where he plays his best tennis.
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History shows Nadal has beaten Federer in slam on 3 different surfaces. And Federer has only beaten him in slams on 1 surface. History shows that Nadal gets the job done in crunch time, if Fed is opposite him on the net, no matter the surface.
 
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coloskier

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It all depends on whether or not Nadal can even make it to the Final. So far he hasn't proven that he can. And until he does.......
 
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Bablu

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Do people in this thread have comprehension issues? The question posed clearly states "IF Nadal and Fed meet in the final."

So don't talk about whether Nadal makes it to the final, that's obviously understood to be a requirement.

I'm going to go with 55-45 in favor of Fed.
 
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CDNguy87

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Due to the USO's ridiculously stupid scheduling, I think another BIG caveat that should be added to this question is "assuming neither player is extremely worn out from playing on Super Saturday only 24 hours earlier". If one of them gets some unseeded no-name in the Semis and crushes them in straight sets while the other needs 5 gruelling sets vs. a tough grinder, I'd have to like the chances of the former regardless of who it is.
 
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luvly

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CDNguy87 said:
Due to the USO's ridiculously stupid scheduling, I think another BIG caveat that should be added to this question is "assuming neither player is extremely worn out from playing on Super Saturday only 24 hours earlier". If one of them gets some unseeded no-name in the Semis and crushes them in straight sets while the other needs 5 gruelling sets vs. a tough grinder, I'd have to like the chances of the former regardless of who it is.
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that's not a problem they know that they will have to play back to back for the uso....get over it. Stop the whining
 
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octogon

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CDNguy87 said:
Due to the USO's ridiculously stupid scheduling, I think another BIG caveat that should be added to this question is "assuming neither player is extremely worn out from playing on Super Saturday only 24 hours earlier". If one of them gets some unseeded no-name in the Semis and crushes them in straight sets while the other needs 5 gruelling sets vs. a tough grinder, I'd have to like the chances of the former regardless of who it is.
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Even in those circumstances, I'd still fancy Nadal to win. After the Fernando Verdasco/Nadal marathon semi-final at the Australian Open, everybody wrote off Nadal and said he be too tired and weakened to face a fresher Federer in the final. Yet it was actually Federer who looked to be running out of gas in the 5th set of the final, and Nadal beat him.

History wouldn't neccesaily repeat itself. But Nadal has shown if anyone can do it, it's him.
 
NADALbULLS

NADALbULLS

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The hardcourt slam between Nadal Federer (2009 AO) was a very convincing win for Nadal. He won 6-2 in the 5th set and it was very easy quick games too.

And this was despite Federer cruising through the draw and getting 24 more hours rest between semi and final than Nadal (plus Nadal's semi was a thrilling 5-setter with Verdasco).

God/Devil help Federer if Nadal gets an easy semi at the USO. Or if they meet in the semi Nadal will likely come in very fresh.
 
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CDNguy87

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luvly said:
that's not a problem they know that they will have to play back to back for the uso....get over it. Stop the whining
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How am I whining? I'm pointing out a potentially overlooked, yet extremely important, objective factor that could influence the match in either direction depending on how the tourney plays out.

Just because they're aware they'll have to do it beforehand doesn't mean it won't have a major impact on their fitness or the match itself. Have you ever played a 5-hour, 5-set match and then had to come back and play another 5-setter the next day? If no, then shut up please.
 
NADALbULLS

NADALbULLS

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CDNguy87 said:
Due to the USO's ridiculously stupid scheduling, I think another BIG caveat that should be added to this question is "assuming neither player is extremely worn out from playing on Super Saturday only 24 hours earlier". If one of them gets some unseeded no-name in the Semis and crushes them in straight sets while the other needs 5 gruelling sets vs. a tough grinder, I'd have to like the chances of the former regardless of who it is.
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35-year-old Agassi had to play 3 five setters (including in the semi) before the Final vs Federer. Then in the Final Agassi looks like his feet are in quick-sand for the 1st set, then Agassi gets loose and hammers Federer 6-2 in the 2nd set. Then Agassi gets up a break in the 3rd set on the way to victory. Then he stops moving his feet as quick-sand takes over. It's horrible that quick-sand has to decide a Final.
 
TheFifthSet

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NADALbULLS said:
35-year-old Agassi had to play 3 five setters (including in the semi) before the Final vs Federer. Then in the Final Agassi looks like his feet are in quick-sand for the 1st set, then Agassi gets loose and hammers Federer 6-2 in the 2nd set. Then Agassi gets up a break in the 3rd set on the way to victory. Then he stops moving his feet as quick-sand takes over. It's horrible that quick-sand has to decide a Final.
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Federer's QF and SF opponents were Nalbandian and Hewitt, Agassi's were Blake and Ginepri. Who had the tougher draw?

Also, Federer's SF match with Hewitt was actually LONGER than Agassi's match with Ginepri. 16 minutes longer. And Federer's fourth round match was longer than Agassi's 5 setter with Malisse, too.
 
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CDNguy87

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NADALbULLS said:
35-year-old Agassi had to play 3 five setters (including in the semi) before the Final vs Federer. Then in the Final Agassi looks like his feet are in quick-sand for the 1st set, then Agassi gets loose and hammers Federer 6-2 in the 2nd set. Then Agassi gets up a break in the 3rd set on the way to victory. Then he stops moving his feet as quick-sand takes over. It's horrible that quick-sand has to decide a Final.
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Precisely my point. If both players had an extra 24 hours rest, that match could have gone down as an all-time classic. Whether the ultimate outcome would have been different is highly debatable (I really doubt Agassi would've pulled it out), but it could have been a whole lot closer and at least more exciting to watch from a fans' viewpoint. In any case, clearly the scheduling and the fact that Agassi played 3 5-setters in the 2nd week had a huge impact on the match. That could conceivably happen again this year with either Fed or Nadal, making any attempt to predict the outcome right now rather futile.
 
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luvly

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CDNguy87 said:
How am I whining? I'm pointing out a potentially overlooked, yet extremely important, objective factor that could influence the match in either direction depending on how the tourney plays out.

Just because they're aware they'll have to do it beforehand doesn't mean it won't have a major impact on their fitness or the match itself. Have you ever played a 5-hour, 5-set match and then had to come back and play another 5-setter the next day? If no, then shut up please.
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still doesnt matter this is what the train for....sometimes you get a day or two between matches sometimes you have to play back to back they are professionals and if they cant handle it they should train harder or take care of business so they dont have a 5 hr match....
 
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Rippy

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luvly said:
still doesnt matter this is what the train for....sometimes you get a day or two between matches sometimes you have to play back to back they are professionals and if they cant handle it they should train harder or take care of business so they dont have a 5 hr match....
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But it could still have an impact on the outcome of a final. Whether or not they are expecting it.
 
P_Agony

P_Agony

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NADALbULLS said:
The hardcourt slam between Nadal Federer (2009 AO) was a very convincing win for Nadal. He won 6-2 in the 5th set and it was very easy quick games too.

And this was despite Federer cruising through the draw and getting 24 more hours rest between semi and final than Nadal (plus Nadal's semi was a thrilling 5-setter with Verdasco).

God/Devil help Federer if Nadal gets an easy semi at the USO. Or if they meet in the semi Nadal will likely come in very fresh.
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Stopped reading there.
 
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luvly

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Rippy said:
But it could still have an impact on the outcome of a final. Whether or not they are expecting it.
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so does every other match you play...the players train to be fit to play when required they know about super saturday. its not like a rain delay that causes you to play when you thought you were going to have a day off. its how the semis and finals are played at the uso. so if a player cant play two days in a row thats a weakness they need to address
 
P_Agony

P_Agony

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tennisplayer666 said:
Really it depends on how healthy Fed is and if he's on. If he's on, the best form of Nadal could not defeat him on fast HC.
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I think the surface doesn't matter anymore. Fed is mentally unable to play his best against Nadal. They can play on ice for all I care, and Fed will find a way to lose. Nadal knows that and that's one reason why he's so confident playing against Fed (Fed's BH being the other).
 
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