If federer choked on those two break points in the final game of final set AO17

Those 2 b.p., if converted fed would have surely choked..agree or not??

  • Yes bcz he is mentally not rock solid

    Votes: 3 14.3%
  • No he would still go on winning

    Votes: 8 38.1%
  • Can't say

    Votes: 10 47.6%

  • Total voters
    21
#1
I was just watching highlights (a thousandth time maybe) and this thought popped up in my mind...
What if this happened? Not 100% similar to what happened with him in that 2011 USO SF vs djok, but there are a lot of similarities. If nadal got a break in that final game, would it have stopped federer's momentum? Would federer just go back into that *I can not beat nadal* mentality and choke the final??
I think those 2 break points were the most valuable breakpoints saved by federer in his career for the keeping the slam race from out of the reach for rafa(ofc those 3 b.p. at the start of 3rd saved with aces are there, but not this level)...
Discuss friends
 
#4
No he might still win.Because I think the belief he showed in the 5th set was actually built through last 4 sets, see Federer has rightly or wrongly always believed that if he plays well he will beat anyone, so sets1 and 3 were good enough reminder and support for his view prompted him to abandon fear and indulge in full flow attempt at victory.He wouldn't have given up,rewatch the 5th set, he was so relentless in trying to get the break back that even Rafa who never broke down in such situations did failed.
 
#6
No he might still win.Because I think the belief he showed in the 5th set was actually built through last 4 sets, see Federer has rightly or wrongly always believed that if he plays well he will beat anyone, so sets1 and 3 were good enough reminder and support for his view prompted him to abandon fear and indulge in full flow attempt at victory.He wouldn't have given up,rewatch the 5th set, he was so relentless in trying to get the break back that even Rafa who never broke down in such situations did failed.
I have rewatched that match and particularly 5th set so many times and from that, I can visibly see that while serving for the 3rd set and the 5th set&match, both times he almost choked (i.e., gave 2 breakpoints to nadal both times despite having rock solid throughout the set except 1st game) which could prove to be disatraous given their rivarly's history before 2017 AO Final....
People easily forget the mental advantage of rafa on federer because of a lot of clay beatings and some victories of rafa being completely mental ones like Madrid11, RG11, AO09, Wim08, etc.......
And this is not any new case for federer (having match or championship on his racquet and still choking). As a fed fan, I always taunt him as the best player able to snatch lose from the hands of victory... Examples are USO 10-11, IW18 to be the latest, couple of matches in 2017 too and its a long history
 
#7
As a fed fan, I always taunt him as the best player able to snatch lose from the hands of victory... Examples are USO 10-11, IW18 to be the latest, couple of matches in 2017 too and its a long history
Fed is an expert in that, and his losses are generally costly.
For example, the 3 MPs he squandered in the IW final vs Delpo this year, have cost him several weeks of the #1 rank, and still counting.
 
#8
I was just watching highlights (a thousandth time maybe) and this thought popped up in my mind...
I've watched the highlights a thousand times too and one thing is clear: Rafa was on his last legs after his serve was broken in the fifth. He was clearly running on fumes. Watch the last 5 games when Fed pummeled Nadal's FH and Rafa simply couldn't reach those balls in his FH corner. He was very slow moving to his left. It happened repeatedly. Very rarely do we ever see Rafa gassed, but he was done by the end of the match. Fed still looking surprisingly fast and not fatigued. So based on that, I think Fed still wins the match considering there was no TB in the fifth and it would have drug on. This assumes Fed still was firing on his BH and not mentally Rafa's whipping boy as we saw for a decade.
 
#10
That he lost so many BPs, and yet converted these 2 merely shows that the 2bps were not any special. It is not like he had fetched only 2BP and flukishly won them. In fact more than the BPs in 2017 AO, I have always wondered what if had converted 4-6 BPs at FO 2007 instead of 1/18. It was not fluke to create and setup 18 BPs.
 

ibbi

Hall of Fame
#11
Why? I mean he got broken in the opening game of that set, and granted that's a very different position from which to find yourself in that position, but olden day Fed would probably never have come back from that against Rafa. It looked like it was just going to be business as usual again, but then suddenly he launches this all out attack on Nadal's service game. Every one of them in that final set was a war. If he gets broken back, and they're just on serve again who is to say that would have ceased?
 
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ATPtennisFan

Guest
#13
The match was an example in what would have happened if Federer didn't choke on crucial breakpoint chances in some earlier slam finals which lost purely because of playing like crap on breakpoints
 

Newballs

Professional
#14
I think that semi with Dimitrov (which was awesome imo) took a lot out of Nadal.
I heard somewhere that Feds team told him a couple things prior to the match:

1-You can beat Rafa in 5 sets, don’t rush it.

2-Hit your f*****’ backhand!

Rog was winning that 5th set period.
 

mike danny

Talk Tennis Guru
#16
I think that semi with Dimitrov (which was awesome imo) took a lot out of Nadal.
I heard somewhere that Feds team told him a couple things prior to the match:

1-You can beat Rafa in 5 sets, don’t rush it.

2-Hit your f*****’ backhand!

Rog was winning that 5th set period.
Federer was and is 5 years older than nadal and he also played 2 matches as 5 setters before fimal
What @HetTheGreaterer says.

That excuse should not exist.
 
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