If Federer had won Wimbledon 2019, would he be the GOAT of tennis?

[Megafanoftennis100]

If Federer had actually converted those championship points at Wimbledon 2019, would be have settled the GOAT debate forever? Or would Djokovic still end up surpassing him?
I think Federer would have solidified his status as the grass GOAT for sure, but I don't know if this would have been enough to call him the overall GOAT of tennis.

 

[nolefam_2024]

No it just would be bad mark against Nole like RG 2015. But it wouldn't change the fact that Nole is the greatest.

 

[Megafanoftennis100]

No it just would be bad mark against Nole like RG 2015. But it wouldn't change the fact that Nole is the greatest.

I agree. Although Federer would then have secured his grass GOAT status.
But tbh, if Fed fans keep emphasising how unlucky Roger was to fail to convert his match points, then Nole fans can also assert how unfair it was that Wimbledon 2020 got cancelled (even though all the other Slams took place as usual) and also how unlucky Djokovic was to fail to convert his chances against Alcaraz in this year's Wimbledon final.
According to the current reality, it is 8>7 in favour of Federer for Wimbledon titles, but if both Federer AND Djokovic got the "unlucky" aspect of their Wimbledon careers out of their way, then I reckon it would be 9>8 in favour of Federer. Still only a 1 Slam difference.

 

[Mark-Touch]

We can only say the slam totals would be a little closer than they are today:
23-22-21 vs.
24-22-20

 

[Jonesy]

It would still be 23 > 21 now. Djokovic won't stop winning slams any time soon, the gap would never be small enough to be a discussion, no amount of hypotheticals will change the Goat status. We are going to a 10 slam difference soon and much more to come.

 

[Mustard]

A bigger match for Federer in this regard was the 2014 Wimbledon final. Going into that final, Federer had 17 majors, Nadal had 14 majors and Djokovic had 6 majors.

For Nadal, it was the 2018 Wimbledon semi final. Going into that match, Federer had 20 majors, Nadal had 17 majors and Djokovic had 12 majors. Nadal and Federer had shared the previous 6 majors between them (3 each), while Djokovic had not won a major in over 2 years.

 

[crimson87]

Still the goat.

 

[Vincent-C]

I don't do the GOAT business, but it was a big, big loss for the Great Man.
Djok handled the whole thing very well, too. Fed looked like he didn't even
know what to feel ATT.

40-15. damn.

 

[CoolCoolCool]

You're asking two different questions. Would that have made him the GOAT? Totally subjective. Would that have stopped Djoker from winning more slams and breaking the slam record? Very unlikely.

 

[Vincent-C]

You're asking two different questions. Would that have made him the GOAT? Totally subjective. Would that have stopped Djoker from winning more slams and breaking the slam record? Very unlikely.

What's good is Fred has won more Ws than anyone else, despite 2019 (and 2008).

 

[MichaelNadal]

I would have said yes at the end of 2019. But now, we see it wouldn't have really mattered (unfortunately and fortunately)

 

[ghostofMecir]

If Federer had actually converted those championship points at Wimbledon 2019, would be have settled the GOAT debate forever? Or would Djokovic still end up surpassing him?
I think Federer would have solidified his status as the grass GOAT for sure, but I don't know if this would have been enough to call him the overall GOAT of tennis.

OP, please go outside and get some fresh air. It’s not healthy to be stuck in your basement all day thinking up threads you can make on this forum.

 

[Indigo]

Unbelievable legendary match that will be recognised in history as 40:15. One finger lady will be famous forever too.

 

[NatF]

Pancho would still be #1

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

Surplus to requirements provided pre-open GOATness is discretized for (Pancho GOAT).

 

[BorgTheGOAT]

His Wimbledon record would be safe that’s for sure. Novak would still be ahead in slams (albeit closer) and in every other metric. Of course, the talk about Fed’s peak being above Djokovic’s peak and Djoko only winning more due to weaker comp would be even be louder, but let’s face it, Fed anyways came within a bee-dick of winning, just one point different wouldn’t change much in that regards. He already proved that even at 38 he was competitive with Djo on grass.

 

[weakera]

The answers are flawed, if Federer had won Wimbledon 2019, then even if Djokovic had taken all of the records, W19 would have served as a trump card for Federer - he defeated a 32-year old Djokovic in a Wimbledon Final as a 38-year old. He could have staked a genuine claim on the match, which goes to show how cruel the outcome was. Despite holding match points and losing by a margin thinner than an ants nutsack hair, the match is a punch line for Federer instead of his greatest triumph.

 

[AntonZweck]

Once Federer hit 20 grand slams first, he was already the GOAT. Don't worry folks, there's still time for evergreen Djokovic and Nadal to race to 30 GSes first, and seal the deal for the foreseeable future.

 

[RS]

I don't get why some people say this wouldn't have made a difference to them. Fed winning this would have been huge for keeping his Wimbledon record and 2-2 with another win in a slam final is significantly better than 1-3.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Once Federer hit 20 grand slams first, he was already the GOAT. Don't worry folks, there's still time for evergreen Djokovic and Nadal to race to 30 GSes first, and seal the deal for the foreseeable future.

Yes he WAS

And he lost it when he was overtaken..

Nothing magical about 20. Only losers will stop counting after their own agendas are beaten.

 

[thrust]

Yes he WAS

And he lost it when he was overtaken..

Nothing magical about 20. Only losers will stop counting after their own agendas are beaten.

Federer is six years older than Novak, therefore, it is only natural that he would have won 20 slams before Novak or Rafa.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Federer is six years older than Novak, therefore, it is only natural that he would have won 20 slams before Novak or Rafa.

At age when fed won 19, Novak won 24 and Rafa won 22. His fans are frauding. Like you said he is 6 years older.