If Federer wins the ATP Finals, should he be recognized as 2017 World Champion by ITF?

[mtincoronel76]

The ITF World Champion was designate based in performances throughout the year, emphasising the Majors tournaments.

In case Federer wins the Masters, he will have 3 majors (AO, Wimbledon and Masters) against 2 of Rafa (Roland Garros, USO), also 3 Masters 1000 (Indian Wells, Miami, Shangai) against 2 (Montecarlo, Madrid) and 8 total titles against 6.
And Roger leads 4-0 the 2017 h2h.

 

[nikdom]

If Jack Sock wins it he takes home all the marbles. Rafa and Rogr’s slams too. And he should be recognized as ATP King of 2017

 

[octobrina10]

The ITF World Champion was designate based in performances throughout the year, emphasising the Majors tournaments.

In case Federer wins the Masters, he will have 3 majors (AO, Wimbledon and Masters) against 2 of Rafa (Roland Garros, USO), also 3 Masters 1000 (Indian Wells, Miami, Shangai) against 2 (Montecarlo, Madrid) and 8 total titles against 6.
And Roger leads 4-0 the 2017 h2h.

The ATP Finals is not 'a major'. The Grand Slam tournaments are called majors. GS tournaments are the ITF events.
¤¤ The International Tennis Federation (ITF) designates a World Champion each year based on performances throughout the year, emphasising the Grand Slam tournaments, and also considering team events such as the Davis Cup and Fed Cup. ¤¤
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITF_World_Champions

Rafa earned 1020 more points than Fed in GS tournaments:

 

[Pagoo]

Federer would have had a shot if he played RG. I think him skipping it makes him ineligible.

 

[fedtennisphan]

The ATP Finals is not 'a major'. The Grand Slam tournaments are called majors. GS tournaments are the ITF events.
¤¤ The International Tennis Federation (ITF) designates a World Champion each year based on performances throughout the year, emphasising the Grand Slam tournaments, and also considering team events such as the Davis Cup and Fed Cup. ¤¤
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITF_World_Champions

Rafa earned 1020 more points than Fed in GS tournaments:

LOL! Stay pressed. 4-0.

 

[octobrina10]

LOL! Stay pressed. 4-0.

 

[Red Rick]

If Jack Sock wins it he takes home all the marbles. Rafa and Rogr’s slams too. And he should be recognized as ATP King of 2017

Make 'Murican tennis great again

 

[papertank]

ITF Champion is determined by the ITF events (slams). WTF is not an ITF event. Nadal has more points at the slams, largely due to Federer completely skipping one. So Nadal deserves the title.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

ITF Champion is determined by the ITF events (slams). WTF is not an ITF event. Nadal has more points at the slams, largely due to Federer completely skipping one. So Nadal deserves the title.

This. Nadal deserves it outright. Even if you take away Nadal weakest slam, he still had more match wins in this top three slams than Federer.

 

[hipolymer]

This. Nadal deserves it outright. Even if you take away Nadal weakest slam, he still had more match wins in this top three slams than Federer.

Slams are so overrated, 90% of the atp doesn't even have the superhuman endurance of Fedal to beat them across 5 sets

 

[mtincoronel76]

The ATP Finals is not 'a major'. The Grand Slam tournaments are called majors. GS tournaments are the ITF events.
¤¤ The International Tennis Federation (ITF) designates a World Champion each year based on performances throughout the year, emphasising the Grand Slam tournaments, and also considering team events such as the Davis Cup and Fed Cup. ¤¤
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITF_World_Champions

Rafa earned 1020 more points than Fed in GS tournaments:

you said ITF never take into account the Masters? Isnt AO, RG, Wmbly and USO part of ATP Tour?

 

[TMF]

Read the thread title and stay on topic.
H2H this year Federer is 4-0 against Nadal.

 

[Comb Over Champion]

If the ITF championship makes Fed and his fans happy, go for it. As a Nadal fan, I simply don't care. Just like I don't care Djokovic got this irrelevant prize in 2013.

 

[Comb Over Champion]

Read the thread title and stay on topic.
H2H this year Federer is 4-0 against Nadal.

Partial H2H is irrelevant. Nadal has had partials against Fed much more lopsided than that, and that too is irrelevant.

 

[TMF]

Partial H2H is irrelevant. Nadal has had partials against Fed much more lopsided than that, and that too is irrelevant.

I will ask nicely. Please stay on topic.

 

[N01E]

ITF Champion is determined by the ITF events (slams). WTF is not an ITF event. Nadal has more points at the slams, largely due to Federer completely skipping one. So Nadal deserves the title.

That didn't stop Murray from taking it last year, despite having less points in both slams and m1000 than Djokovic.

 

[fedtennisphan]

19>16 302 6 soon to be 7. The H2H is the only thing Nadal “fans” have and that’s why Nadal gets sour when Federer beats him and starts complaining.

 

[TheAssassin]

Slams are so overrated, 90% of the atp doesn't even have the superhuman endurance of Fedal to beat them across 5 sets

Slams are overrated? So should we focus on results at the Masters and 500 events instead so that the 90% of the ATP would look less pathetic?

 

[JMR]

That didn't stop Murray from taking it last year, despite having less points in both slams and m1000 than Djokovic.

The ITF is probably a little biased toward honoring the ATP's No. 1 player, so there's no "split decision" about the year. But occasionally they do differ, as in 2013.

 

[junior74]

This thread is about 2017. Why do you post off topic and spread this bad energy?

 

[tennis_pro]

What do Nadal's wins prior to 2017 have to do with the discussion regarding who's the best player in 2017?

Still so insecure LMAO

 

[aman92]

The ATP finals isn't under ITF. Nadal has been the better player in the majors, hence will be recognized as the ITF champion as well

 

[timnz]

The ITF DOES include the WTF in it decision making as to who is world champion. This is the evidence from 2013:-

“Rafael Nadal made a remarkable comeback from injury with two Grand Slam wins, but it is Novak Djokovic’s consistent results across all four Slams, Davis Cup and the ATP World Tour Finals that see him named World Champion.”

From

http://www.itftennis.com/news/163361.aspx

 

[aman92]

That didn't stop Murray from taking it last year, despite having less points in both slams and m1000 than Djokovic.

So Murray was the ATP number one overall then as well.
The probably didn't give it to Nadal in 2013 because he skipped AO and lost out in the first round of Wimbledon whereas Djokovic reached 3 finals and a semi. They would have no reason to go against the logic here

 

[Towser83]

What is this world champion stuff? Sounds a bit pointless like at ATP awards, so who cares

 

[octobrina10]

you said ITF never take into account the Masters? Isnt AO, RG, Wmbly and USO part of ATP Tour?

I wrote that the ATP Finals (you are calling it 'the Masters') is not counted as 'a major'.

Grand Slam tournaments aka majors (AO, FO, Wimbledon, USO) are in the ATP calendar & players earn ranking points in the tournaments, but they are governed by the ITF, not by the ATP.

 

[Comb Over Champion]

I will ask nicely. Please stay on topic.

Do you know how to ask some other way besides "nicely"?

 

[timnz]

I wrote that the ATP Finals (you are calling it 'the Masters') is not counted as 'majors'.

Grand Slam tournaments aka majors (AO, FO, Wimbledon, USO) are in the ATP calendar & players earn ranking points in the tournaments, but they are governed by the ITF, not by the ATP.

You are correct in saying the WTF is not part of the ITF circuit. However, as per my quote a few posts above - it is clear that the ITF includes the WTF in its decision making as to who is its world champion for the year (as they said in 2013)

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...7-world-champion-by-itf.604251/#post-11792936

 

[octobrina10]

That didn't stop Murray from taking it last year, despite having less points in both slams and m1000 than Djokovic.

Murray won the gold medal at the Rio Olympics and Great Britan won the Davis Cup. Both are the ITF events.

 

[Comb Over Champion]

I think it's a crap shoot. You can make a point for both Nadal and Fed, but if you even remotely use the H2H this year, then please use the global H2H in the GOAT debate as well. Got to be consistent.

 

[Deleted member 743561]

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[Dedans Penthouse]

Slams are so overrated,

90% of the atp doesn't even have the superhuman endurance of Fedal to beat them across 5 sets

90% of the ATP tour nowadays are a bunch of underachieving scared kittens. . .

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[slal1984]

For the year 2017 bro...no one cares abt the past. Fed is 4-0 this year.

 

[pame]

I think it's a crap shoot. You can make a point for both Nadal and Fed, but if you even remotely use the H2H this year, then please use the global H2H in the GOAT debate as well. Got to be consistent.

Please explain. Aren't the awards about what happened this year, 2017, and not previous years' results? After all, Fed isn't being acknowledged for his previous slam results leading to his 19 slams.. just this year's

 

[Maestroesque]

Woah, federer is catching up, you must be getting pretty nervous octo

 

[Gary Duane]

This. Nadal deserves it outright. Even if you take away Nadal weakest slam, he still had more match wins in this top three slams than Federer.

18-6 in favor of Fed in this thread. This confirms that these polls have nothing to do with facts.

I personally think Fed has had a stronger year in terms of peak play, but that's not how the ITF makes decisions.

Nadal has the better major record this year. That's simple a fact.

 

[abmk]

The ITF’s selection of its senior World Champions is based on an objective system that considers all results during the year, but gives special weight to the Grand Slam tournaments, and two ITF international team competitions, Davis Cup by BNP Paribas and Fed Cup by BNP Paribas.

Novak Djokovic narrowly edges out Rafael Nadal to become Men’s World Champion thanks to his consistency at the Grand Slam tournaments and year-end performances. The 26-year-old won his third successive Australian Open title, and was a finalist at Wimbledon and the US Open and a semifinalist at Roland Garros. He won seven titles during the year, including the ATP World Tour Finals, and was unbeaten in seven singles rubbers as Serbia reached the Davis Cup Final.

ITF President Francesco Ricci Bitti said: “Serena Williams demonstrated once again why she is one of the greatest athletes of all time, and is a worthy winner of the women’s award. The men’s award was more closely contested, but our criteria rewards players for their performances at the Grand Slam tournaments and in our team competitions.

"Rafael Nadal made a remarkable comeback from injury with two Grand Slam wins, but it is Novak Djokovic’s consistent results across all four Slams, Davis Cup and the ATP World Tour Finals that see him named World Champion.”


http://www.itftennis.com/news/163361.aspx

 

[Gary Duane]

The ITF’s selection of its senior World Champions is based on an objective system that considers all results during the year, but gives special weight to the Grand Slam tournaments, and two ITF international team competitions, Davis Cup by BNP Paribas and Fed Cup by BNP Paribas.

Novak Djokovic narrowly edges out Rafael Nadal to become Men’s World Champion thanks to his consistency at the Grand Slam tournaments and year-end performances. The 26-year-old won his third successive Australian Open title, and was a finalist at Wimbledon and the US Open and a semifinalist at Roland Garros. He won seven titles during the year, including the ATP World Tour Finals, and was unbeaten in seven singles rubbers as Serbia reached the Davis Cup Final.

ITF President Francesco Ricci Bitti said: “Serena Williams demonstrated once again why she is one of the greatest athletes of all time, and is a worthy winner of the women’s award. The men’s award was more closely contested, but our criteria rewards players for their performances at the Grand Slam tournaments and in our team competitions.

"Rafael Nadal made a remarkable comeback from injury with two Grand Slam wins, but it is Novak Djokovic’s consistent results across all four Slams, Davis Cup and the ATP World Tour Finals that see him named World Champion.”


http://www.itftennis.com/news/163361.aspx

It's going to be interesting this year!!!

The one thing I predicted at least a couple months ago is that this year is likely to be dispute. Look for a new thread in former pros to go about 500 pages on this!!!!

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

Rafa played 3 slam finals this year.
If there is anyone having some itf reward is Rafa.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

The ITF’s selection of its senior World Champions is based on an objective system that considers all results during the year, but gives special weight to the Grand Slam tournaments, and two ITF international team competitions, Davis Cup by BNP Paribas and Fed Cup by BNP Paribas.

Novak Djokovic narrowly edges out Rafael Nadal to become Men’s World Champion thanks to his consistency at the Grand Slam tournaments and year-end performances. The 26-year-old won his third successive Australian Open title, and was a finalist at Wimbledon and the US Open and a semifinalist at Roland Garros. He won seven titles during the year, including the ATP World Tour Finals, and was unbeaten in seven singles rubbers as Serbia reached the Davis Cup Final.

ITF President Francesco Ricci Bitti said: “Serena Williams demonstrated once again why she is one of the greatest athletes of all time, and is a worthy winner of the women’s award. The men’s award was more closely contested, but our criteria rewards players for their performances at the Grand Slam tournaments and in our team competitions.

"Rafael Nadal made a remarkable comeback from injury with two Grand Slam wins, but it is Novak Djokovic’s consistent results across all four Slams, Davis Cup and the ATP World Tour Finals that see him named World Champion.”


http://www.itftennis.com/news/163361.aspx

The heavyweight champion of the world.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

18-6 in favor of Fed in this thread. This confirms that these polls have nothing to do with facts.

I personally think Fed has had a stronger year in terms of peak play, but that's not how the ITF makes decisions.

Nadal has the better major record this year. That's simple a fact.

Yes, this is the truth. Played all four slams, and even if you take away his worst slam, so you look at his top three, he still trumps Federer, the additional final over Federer's quarter final.

 

[peakin11mugs]

The ATP Finals is not 'a major'. The Grand Slam tournaments are called majors. GS tournaments are the ITF events.
¤¤ The International Tennis Federation (ITF) designates a World Champion each year based on performances throughout the year, emphasising the Grand Slam tournaments, and also considering team events such as the Davis Cup and Fed Cup. ¤¤
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITF_World_Champions

Rafa earned 1020 more points than Fed in GS tournaments:

Hence he is no 1 deservedly. However if fed wins WTF without a shadow of a doubt fed is the better player with same slams, more WTF, more masters, more top 10 wins, less losses and undefeated against nadal. Nadal will be superior in number of 2R, 4R, RR and qf etc. Down on actual titles etc

WITHOUT A SHADOW OF A DOUBT

Also nadal has unquestionably by vamoss brigrade logic officially become a weak era number 1, a weak era slam vulture and a weak non dominant number 1 in general. By VB OWN arguments

There is no doubt there whatsoever. Also this is the last year you will hear VB talk about weak era as there boy has become a weak era slam vulture

Weak era isn’t really fair. shoukd call it mug era as at least safin, Hewitt, Agassi, Roddick were multi slam wining no 1 players Anderson is welll errr. And even in mug era nadal didn’t dominate. He never had an era

Sorry VB

 

[mtincoronel76]

IMHO, I think that although the GS are the most important tournaments, the ATPF is considered a major tournament for decades, immediately after these. I do not think that, for example, Kuerten would have been a World Champion for ITF in 2000 or Murray last year, if they had not won the Masters. Therefore I sense that ITF takes it into account to choose the best of the year.
we'll see what happens

 

[abmk]

The heavyweight champion of the world.

well, not the focus of my post. But it does explain why they chose Djokovic in 2013.
its still not very clear though - how much weight they give to ITF events and how much others.

 

[abmk]

so looking at the ITF criteria, they'll probably go with Nadal for this year.

 

[octobrina10]

IMHO, I think that although the GS are the most important tournaments, the ATPF is considered a major tournament for decades, immediately after these. I do not think that, for example, Kuerten would have been a World Champion for ITF in 2000 or Murray last year, if they had not won the Masters. Therefore I sense that ITF takes it into account to choose the best of the year.
we'll see what happens

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...7-world-champion-by-itf.604251/#post-11792971

 

[octobrina10]

Hence he is no 1 deservedly. However if fed wins WTF without a shadow of a doubt fed is the better player with same slams, more WTF, more masters, more top 10 wins, less losses and undefeated against nadal. Nadal will be superior in number of 2R, 4R, RR and qf etc. Down on actual titles etc

WITHOUT A SHADOW OF A DOUBT

Also nadal has unquestionably by vamoss brigrade logic officially become a weak era number 1, a weak era slam vulture and a weak non dominant number 1 in general. By VB OWN arguments

There is no doubt there whatsoever. Also this is the last year you will hear VB talk about weak era as there boy has become a weak era slam vulture

Weak era isn’t really fair. shoukd call it mug era as at least safin, Hewitt, Agassi, Roddick were multi slam wining no 1 players Anderson is welll errr. And even in mug era nadal didn’t dominate. He never had an era

Sorry VB

Again it's hilarous that you are always posting replies that have nothing to do with my posts.

 

[octobrina10]

@Tennisanity
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/nadal-ye1-for-nadal-fans.604218/#post-11792785

Rafa is the GOAT:
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...7-world-champion-by-itf.604251/#post-11792640

 

[mtincoronel76]

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...7-world-champion-by-itf.604251/#post-11792971

ok, so you didnt think ITF count the Masters in 2016? What do you think about kuerten at 2000? what do you think about 2013, ITF dont take account the Masters won by Djoko, when Nadal have won 2 gs against 1 by Nole?

 

[octobrina10]

ok, so you didnt think ITF count the Masters in 2016? What do you think about kuerten at 2000? what do you think about 2013, ITF dont take account the Masters won by Djoko, when Nadal have won 2 gs against 1 by Nole?

I posted a link to this post:
Murray won the gold medal at the Rio Olympics and Great Britan won the Davis Cup. Both [Olympics and the Davis Cup] are the ITF events.