"If I did (what Sinner did), I would have been suspended for 20 years"

This is irrelevant. Serena states a proposition for discussion. It's not an invitation to a collective pile-on ... on her.

The fact that this always happens only fuels her sense of persecution, if anything.

Who made the quote of the thread?
 
What is wrong with crip walking, precisely?

Was she suspended for US Open disgraceful moments of threats to an line umpire?
Great game and accomplishments but crip walking, threatening a linesman and chair umpire, a drama queen stealing Osaka's moment, and now trying to come off as the definition as the lady of the decade. Sure. It makes sense for her to befriend Djokovic, another player who stirs up controversy & drama. 24 must be an upsetting number for them both

Has anyone attempted to invalidate Sinner's explanation with a physiotherapist and apply that cream on an open wound, and then go get tested?
really doesn't make sense to complain/comment about the same thing week after week. It's not prison or some political trigger issue.
 
it would be a bit refreshing to actually someone own up to PED usage and actually have some humility and pride and be adults. At least after they retire. I would respect them a hell of a lot more cause it’s so rare for someone to take accountability for anything. A major problem in our society
 
"If I did... I would have been...". She has made this about herself, so people can pile-on whatever they want.

She made a relevant comparison based on the very kind of blood hatred she's faced across her entire career, and the blatant double-standards which have been applied against her. She is factually correct, and the fact the same, usual suspects all stumble in this thread to attack her for things they willfully ignored (or made excuses for) with other players proves her point.
 
Obviously the ITIA is not going to publish how many times an ATP player is tested.
And common sense dictates that any serious anti-doping programme will take care to target the top players for testing, especially during Slam season.
We have first-hand statements from top players on frequency of testing.
  • Federer stated, “One month, in the run-up to Wimbledon, he was tested seven times.”
How violations are punished is a separate matter but top players will be targeted for doping testing.


They did though:

The administration of Clostebol must have happened around the time of the Event since the Player has been tested, on average, once a month over the 12-month period between April 2023 and March 2024, and none of the previous tests gave rise to any AAF for Clostebol (or any other Prohibited Substance).

Besides that, data is being provided to WADA who publishes extensive yearly reports.
 
Besides that, data is being provided to WADA who publishes extensive yearly reports.

Nonsense. Only general summaries are published, not individual statistics.
The only reason you heard about Sinner's past test results is because the Sinner defense chose to disclose it for the Tribunal trial.
You will NOT find any published data on how many times Alcaraz was tested in 2024.
:rolleyes:

The ATP, through the International Tennis Integrity Agency (ITIA), does not publish individual player testing data—such as the exact number of doping tests conducted on specific athletes like Alcaraz—for any given year.

Instead, the ITIA releases quarterly and annual summaries of anti-doping activity that report the total number of samples collected across all players and events, sometimes broken down by sample type (urine, blood, etc.) and competition level, but not by individual athlete. The most recent ITIA report for Q3 2024, for example, outlines the number of samples taken from players during that quarter, but explicitly notes that these figures do not represent the number of tests per player and do not specify which players were tested or how often.

By contrast, some other sports and anti-doping organizations—for example, those overseeing Olympic sports—do publish individual testing statistics or at least provide more granular data regarding athlete testing frequency. The ITA (International Testing Agency) for the Olympics, for instance, has reported the proportion of athletes tested and the total number of tests conducted at the Paris 2024 Games, including how many athletes were tested at least once.

This level of transparency is not matched by the ATP/ITIA for tennis.
Obviously the ITIA is not going to publish how many times an ATP player is tested.
 
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The only reason you heard about Sinner's past test results is because the Sinner defense chose to disclose it for the Tribunal trial.

Source?

The ITIA published it in their PDF, so it was the ITIA who relased the info to the public and surely they do have the stats as part of their investigation.


You will NOT find any published data on how many times Alcaraz was tested in 2024.

:rolleyes:

The ATP, through the International Tennis Integrity Agency (ITIA), does not publish individual player testing data—such as the exact number of doping tests conducted on specific athletes like Alcaraz—for any given year.

Instead, the ITIA releases quarterly and annual summaries of anti-doping activity that report the total number of samples collected across all players and events, sometimes broken down by sample type (urine, blood, etc.) and competition level, but not by individual athlete. The most recent ITIA report for Q3 2024, for example, outlines the number of samples taken from players during that quarter, but explicitly notes that these figures do not represent the number of tests per player and do not specify which players were tested or how often.

By contrast, some other sports and anti-doping organizations—for example, those overseeing Olympic sports—do publish individual testing statistics or at least provide more granular data regarding athlete testing frequency. The ITA (International Testing Agency) for the Olympics, for instance, has reported the proportion of athletes tested and the total number of tests conducted at the Paris 2024 Games, including how many athletes were tested at least once.

This level of transparency is not matched by the ATP/ITIA for tennis.

Ok, I've done a quick google and I cannot find any such docuement that shows this including athletes names, but perhaps I have to dig deeper.
Given that there were tennis players at the olympics, maybe you can share how many times Djokovic and Alcaraz were tested during the olympics?
 

Sharapova admitted to taking a banned substances …

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Ok, I've done a quick google and I cannot find any such docuement that shows this including athletes names, but perhaps I have to dig deeper.
Put away your shovel and stop digging. You will not find it because it is not published.

The ITF is a WADA code signatory.

The International Tennis Integrity Agency (ITIA) administers the Tennis Anti-Doping Programme (TADP) on behalf of the ITF, ATP, WTA, and Grand Slam Board.

There is no transparency with ITIA test results!

Even the Olympics published general summaries. Not individual athlete data.

The International Testing Agency (ITA) oversaw the anti-doping program for the Tokyo 2020 Olympics and published overall statistics:

THE ITA SUCCEEDED IN FULLY IMPLEMENTING THE ANTI-DOPING PROGRAM FOR OLYMPIC GAMES DESPITE CHALLENGING COVID-19 CIRCUMSTANCES

A total of 6’200 collected samples from over 5’000 doping controls, more than one-third of the athlete population in Tokyo tested at least once – these are the final figures of ITA’s anti-doping program for Tokyo 2020. Six anti-doping rule violations were asserted to this moment as the outcome of ITA’s testing program.
 
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I think I'd believe in the existence of Nessie before I'd buy the "contamination by massage" story.

And there we have it. Labeling the young Sinner a doper and a liar.

Does not wish to believe the "contamination by massage" story even though a panel of impartial experts deemed accidental contamination to be the most plausible explanation.

All players are perfectly aware that they are subject to testing 365 days of the year. Subject to testing both at tournaments and at home visits.
Why is our favourite Bart not skeptical of Serena's story of running into her panic room because she feared the Doping Control Officer (DCO) was an intruder?
:unsure:

For out-of-competition home visits, the sample collection process is usually conducted at the athlete’s home, following World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) and International Testing Agency (ITA) protocols.

DCO Protocol for Home Visits

  • On-Site Testing: During an unannounced home visit, the DCO aims to collect the sample (urine, blood, or both) at the athlete’s residence to ensure convenience and compliance. The athlete’s home is treated as the Doping Control Station (DCS) unless logistical issues arise.
    • Urine Collection: The athlete provides a sample in a private area (e.g., bathroom) under direct observation by a same-gender DCO or chaperone. The DCO ensures the area is secure and suitable.
  • Continuous Observation: From notification (when the DCO presents proper ID and informs the athlete of testing) until sample collection is complete, the athlete remains under direct observation by the DCO or chaperone to prevent tampering.
  • Documentation: The Doping Control Form is completed at the home, and sealed samples are prepared for transport to a WADA-accredited lab.

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... as Sinner's story was so incredible they couldn't risk letting CAS hear it.

And there we have it. Labeling the young Sinner a doper and a liar.

Does not wish to believe the "contamination by massage" story even though a panel of impartial experts deemed accidental contamination to be the most plausible explanation.

All players are perfectly aware that they are subject to testing 365 days of the year. Subject to testing both at tournaments and at home visits.
Why is our favourite Bart not skeptical of Serena's story of running into her panic room because she feared the Doping Control Officer (DCO) was an intruder?
:unsure:

For out-of-competition home visits, the sample collection process is usually conducted at the athlete’s home, following World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) and International Testing Agency (ITA) protocols.

DCO Protocol for Home Visits

  • On-Site Testing: During an unannounced home visit, the DCO aims to collect the sample (urine, blood, or both) at the athlete’s residence to ensure convenience and compliance. The athlete’s home is treated as the Doping Control Station (DCS) unless logistical issues arise.
    • Urine Collection: The athlete provides a sample in a private area (e.g., bathroom) under direct observation by a same-gender DCO or chaperone. The DCO ensures the area is secure and suitable.
  • Continuous Observation: From notification (when the DCO presents proper ID and informs the athlete of testing) until sample collection is complete, the athlete remains under direct observation by the DCO or chaperone to prevent tampering.
  • Documentation: The Doping Control Form is completed at the home, and sealed samples are prepared for transport to a WADA-accredited lab.

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... as Sinner's story was so incredible they couldn't risk letting CAS hear it.

Are you agitated with WADA as well as the ITIA?
Bureaucracies such as CAS are unpredictable.
Sinner's story was credible. That is why WADA balked at taking it to CAS and offered Sinner a sweet deal!
 
WADA had to stop CAS from laughing Sinner's fanciful story out of court.

Are you agitated with WADA as well as the ITIA?
Bureaucracies such as CAS are unpredictable.
Sinner's story was credible. That is why WADA balked at taking it to CAS and offered Sinner a sweet deal!
 
Interesting. In an earlier thread, Bartelby 'acknowledged' that sinner tested postive 'unintentional', but yeah, it was pretty obvious from all his other posts that he thinks Sinner actively doped and cheated.


I have discussed all of this before. Sinner unintentionally doped and as such CAS would have banned him for at least 12 months. but WADA intervened to save him.
 
It depends on whether one follows the flawed process or deals with the substance of the matter

Interesting. In an earlier thread, Bartelby 'acknowledged' that sinner tested postive 'unintentional', but yeah, it was pretty obvious from all his other posts that he thinks Sinner actively doped and cheated.
 
Every pro player is perfectly aware that the anti-doping system operates on the principle of strict liability of unannounced random tests. 365 days of the year.
The rising exciting Swede Ymer, the next Borg, was banned for merely missing doping tests. Not failing any test mind you. But merely missing tests,
Yet Serena is allowed to flee into her panic room because she fears the uniformed credentialed Doping Control Officer presenting at her gated guarded mansion at 8 a.m. is an intruder.
Not even our favourite Sinner-bullying Serena-apologist Bart finds that fanciful story to be credible.
:rolleyes:


 
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She is so opinionated. Bashing the young #1 Sinner for doping. And yet somehow making it all about herself.
She is certainly very defensive for someone who has never doped. Cognitive dissonance?
:unsure:

Context of Serena Williams’ Statement​

In a 2025 Time magazine interview, Serena Williams commented on Jannik Sinner’s three-month doping suspension for testing positive for clostebol in March 2024. She stated:
"I've been put down so much, I don't want to bring anyone down. Tennis needs him. If I did that (failed the tests), I would have gotten 20 years. Let's be honest. I would have gotten Grand Slams taken away from me."
Williams suggested she would have faced harsher consequences for a similar violation, emphasized her caution with substances (e.g., avoiding Advil), and expressed sympathy for Maria Sharapova’s 15-month ban in 2016.

Projection and Moral Hypocrisy Lens with Narcissistic Tendencies​

The phenomenon involves individuals who have committed an unconvicted offense condemning others for similar acts to alleviate guilt, project a moral image, or resolve cognitive dissonance.

Adding narcissistic tendencies, the statement could reflect a self-centered need to make Sinner’s issue about her own narrative, using it to reinforce her victimhood, moral superiority, or unique status. Here’s how this might apply:
  1. Projection of Guilt with Self-Centered Framing:
    • If Williams had concerns about past supplement use or team practices (purely speculative), her criticism of Sinner’s lenient ban could project her own guilt or anxiety while centering the narrative on herself. By claiming she would have faced a “20-year ban” and lost Grand Slams, she shifts focus to her hypothetical suffering, casting herself as a victim of harsher scrutiny. This narcissistic lens suggests she’s less concerned with Sinner’s case and more with elevating her own story of enduring unfair treatment.
    • Her emphasis on avoiding even Advil could be a way to showcase her exceptional diligence, portraying herself as uniquely virtuous compared to others like Sinner. A narcissistic tendency might drive her to frame this vigilance as evidence of her superior character, making Sinner’s case a backdrop for her own narrative.
  2. Moral Hypocrisy as a Platform for Self-Aggrandizement:
    • Moral hypocrisy involves condemning others for behaviors one has engaged in to appear virtuous. If Williams had private doubts about her team’s practices (speculative), her critique of Sinner’s ban could serve to deflect scrutiny while positioning herself as the moral center of the doping debate. Her statement, “I’ve been put down so much, I don’t want to bring anyone down,” juxtaposed with her claim of facing harsher penalties, might reflect narcissistic hypocrisy—presenting herself as both compassionate and uniquely persecuted.
    • Her sympathy for Sharapova could be less about genuine empathy and more about aligning with another high-profile figure to elevate her own status. A narcissistic lens might suggest she uses Sharapova’s harsher ban to underscore her own hypothetical martyrdom, implying she’d face even worse consequences due to her unique prominence or scrutiny.
  3. Cognitive Dissonance and Narcissistic Resolution:
    • Cognitive dissonance arises when actions conflict with one’s self-image. If Williams ever questioned her team’s integrity (speculative), her outspokenness about Sinner could resolve this by centering the narrative on her own exceptionalism. By exaggerating a “20-year ban,” she might be soothing internal conflict while feeding a narcissistic need for attention, portraying herself as a singular figure who would suffer disproportionately due to her fame or identity.
    • This self-focused framing could manifest as a need to dominate the doping conversation, making Sinner’s case a vehicle to highlight her own struggles, resilience, and moral purity. Her claim of being “put down so much” reinforces a narrative of personal persecution, a common narcissistic trait where external events are reframed to affirm one’s centrality.

Conclusion​

Serena Williams’ statement about Jannik Sinner’s suspension could align with projection or moral hypocrisy if she had unconvicted doping concerns and used her critique to deflect guilt or assert a virtuous image. Her emphasis on facing harsher penalties and her vigilance with substances might suggest an attempt to distance herself from hypothetical wrongdoing, driven by cognitive dissonance.
 
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She is so opinionated. Bashing the young #1 Sinner for doping. And yet somehow making it all about herself.
She is certainly very defensive for someone who has never doped. Cognitive dissonance?
:unsure:

Context of Serena Williams’ Statement​

In a 2025 Time magazine interview, Serena Williams commented on Jannik Sinner’s three-month doping suspension for testing positive for clostebol in March 2024. She stated:


Williams suggested she would have faced harsher consequences for a similar violation, emphasized her caution with substances (e.g., avoiding Advil), and expressed sympathy for Maria Sharapova’s 15-month ban in 2016.

Projection and Moral Hypocrisy Lens with Narcissistic Tendencies​

The phenomenon involves individuals who have committed an unconvicted offense condemning others for similar acts to alleviate guilt, project a moral image, or resolve cognitive dissonance. Adding narcissistic tendencies, Williams’ statement could reflect a self-centered need to make Sinner’s issue about her own narrative, using it to reinforce her victimhood, moral superiority, or unique status. Here’s how this might apply:

  1. Projection of Guilt with Self-Centered Framing:
    • If Williams had concerns about past supplement use or team practices (purely speculative), her criticism of Sinner’s lenient ban could project her own guilt or anxiety while centering the narrative on herself. By claiming she would have faced a “20-year ban” and lost Grand Slams, she shifts focus to her hypothetical suffering, casting herself as a victim of harsher scrutiny. This narcissistic lens suggests she’s less concerned with Sinner’s case and more with elevating her own story of enduring unfair treatment.
    • Her emphasis on avoiding even Advil could be a way to showcase her exceptional diligence, portraying herself as uniquely virtuous compared to others like Sinner. A narcissistic tendency might drive her to frame this vigilance as evidence of her superior character, making Sinner’s case a backdrop for her own narrative.
  2. Moral Hypocrisy as a Platform for Self-Aggrandizement:
    • Moral hypocrisy involves condemning others for behaviors one has engaged in to appear virtuous. If Williams had private doubts about her team’s practices (speculative), her critique of Sinner’s ban could serve to deflect scrutiny while positioning herself as the moral center of the doping debate. Her statement, “I’ve been put down so much, I don’t want to bring anyone down,” juxtaposed with her claim of facing harsher penalties, might reflect narcissistic hypocrisy—presenting herself as both compassionate and uniquely persecuted.
    • Her sympathy for Sharapova could be less about genuine empathy and more about aligning with another high-profile figure to elevate her own status. A narcissistic lens might suggest she uses Sharapova’s harsher ban to underscore her own hypothetical martyrdom, implying she’d face even worse consequences due to her unique prominence or scrutiny.
  3. Cognitive Dissonance and Narcissistic Resolution:
    • Cognitive dissonance arises when actions conflict with one’s self-image. If Williams ever questioned her team’s integrity (speculative), her outspokenness about Sinner could resolve this by centering the narrative on her own exceptionalism. By exaggerating a “20-year ban,” she might be soothing internal conflict while feeding a narcissistic need for attention, portraying herself as a singular figure who would suffer disproportionately due to her fame or identity.
    • This self-focused framing could manifest as a need to dominate the doping conversation, making Sinner’s case a vehicle to highlight her own struggles, resilience, and moral purity. Her claim of being “put down so much” reinforces a narrative of personal persecution, a common narcissistic trait where external events are reframed to affirm one’s centrality.

Conclusion​

Serena Williams’ statement about Jannik Sinner’s suspension could align with projection or moral hypocrisy if she had unconvicted doping concerns and used her critique to deflect guilt or assert a virtuous image. Her emphasis on facing harsher penalties and her vigilance with substances might suggest an attempt to distance herself from hypothetical wrongdoing, driven by cognitive dissonance.
I can agree her outbursts vs line judge & the Osaka match shows some not-so-good tendencies. The restaurant incident in France sounds a bit off too...
 
Where did you cut and paste this from?

She is so opinionated. Bashing the young #1 Sinner for doping. And yet somehow making it all about herself.
She is certainly very defensive for someone who has never doped. Cognitive dissonance?
:unsure:

Context of Serena Williams’ Statement​

In a 2025 Time magazine interview, Serena Williams commented on Jannik Sinner’s three-month doping suspension for testing positive for clostebol in March 2024. She stated:

Williams suggested she would have faced harsher consequences for a similar violation, emphasized her caution with substances (e.g., avoiding Advil), and expressed sympathy for Maria Sharapova’s 15-month ban in 2016.

Projection and Moral Hypocrisy Lens with Narcissistic Tendencies​

The phenomenon involves individuals who have committed an unconvicted offense condemning others for similar acts to alleviate guilt, project a moral image, or resolve cognitive dissonance.

Adding narcissistic tendencies, the statement could reflect a self-centered need to make Sinner’s issue about her own narrative, using it to reinforce her victimhood, moral superiority, or unique status. Here’s how this might apply:
  1. Projection of Guilt with Self-Centered Framing:
    • If Williams had concerns about past supplement use or team practices (purely speculative), her criticism of Sinner’s lenient ban could project her own guilt or anxiety while centering the narrative on herself. By claiming she would have faced a “20-year ban” and lost Grand Slams, she shifts focus to her hypothetical suffering, casting herself as a victim of harsher scrutiny. This narcissistic lens suggests she’s less concerned with Sinner’s case and more with elevating her own story of enduring unfair treatment.
    • Her emphasis on avoiding even Advil could be a way to showcase her exceptional diligence, portraying herself as uniquely virtuous compared to others like Sinner. A narcissistic tendency might drive her to frame this vigilance as evidence of her superior character, making Sinner’s case a backdrop for her own narrative.
  2. Moral Hypocrisy as a Platform for Self-Aggrandizement:
    • Moral hypocrisy involves condemning others for behaviors one has engaged in to appear virtuous. If Williams had private doubts about her team’s practices (speculative), her critique of Sinner’s ban could serve to deflect scrutiny while positioning herself as the moral center of the doping debate. Her statement, “I’ve been put down so much, I don’t want to bring anyone down,” juxtaposed with her claim of facing harsher penalties, might reflect narcissistic hypocrisy—presenting herself as both compassionate and uniquely persecuted.
    • Her sympathy for Sharapova could be less about genuine empathy and more about aligning with another high-profile figure to elevate her own status. A narcissistic lens might suggest she uses Sharapova’s harsher ban to underscore her own hypothetical martyrdom, implying she’d face even worse consequences due to her unique prominence or scrutiny.
  3. Cognitive Dissonance and Narcissistic Resolution:
    • Cognitive dissonance arises when actions conflict with one’s self-image. If Williams ever questioned her team’s integrity (speculative), her outspokenness about Sinner could resolve this by centering the narrative on her own exceptionalism. By exaggerating a “20-year ban,” she might be soothing internal conflict while feeding a narcissistic need for attention, portraying herself as a singular figure who would suffer disproportionately due to her fame or identity.
    • This self-focused framing could manifest as a need to dominate the doping conversation, making Sinner’s case a vehicle to highlight her own struggles, resilience, and moral purity. Her claim of being “put down so much” reinforces a narrative of personal persecution, a common narcissistic trait where external events are reframed to affirm one’s centrality.

Conclusion​

Serena Williams’ statement about Jannik Sinner’s suspension could align with projection or moral hypocrisy if she had unconvicted doping concerns and used her critique to deflect guilt or assert a virtuous image. Her emphasis on facing harsher penalties and her vigilance with substances might suggest an attempt to distance herself from hypothetical wrongdoing, driven by cognitive dissonance.
 
I don't even know who the messenger is. There is, however, no useful context presented.

Serena is simply saying that Sinner got a great deal. This is irrefutable.

Where I part company with her is that I believe the Tour would have done the same for her.

Please refute the analysis instead of trying to kill the messenger.
We are sorry if this analysis makes you uncomfortable.
 
Where I part company with her is that I believe the Tour would have done the same for her.
She knows perfectly well that she would have been granted the exact same leniency as Sinner. If not more so.
Only clueless dunderheads would fall for her narcissistic self-victimization spin. Please don't be a dunderhead.

Carlos Ramas was widely regarded as the best Chair Umpire, yet she had to audacity to play the gender card on him.
Calling his ruling misogynistic. And banning the best Chair Umpire from ever working her matches.
It is sad to see our favourite Bart carry the water for such narcissistic types.

 
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The new system at the ITIA level added to WADA's ability to cut out CAS means that the opportunity to spare the big talent punishment is much greater today.

WADA would have cut the exact same deal with her today.
And you have absolutely no evidence that she is speaking about the old system.
The narcissist is claiming she would be punished more severely today.
 
Tennis has new tools today to spare the great players which were not available in her day, Serena is not playing today so your point is hypothetical.

WADA would have cut the exact same deal with her today.
And you have absolutely no evidence that she is speaking about the old system.
The narcissist is claiming she would be punished more severely today.
 
Tennis has new tools today to spare the great players which were not available in her day, Serena is not playing today so your point is hypothetical.
So we agree that she would receive the same treatment as Sinner today.
The problem for you is that her statement does not indicate whether she is referring to the old system or the current system.
The narcissist is likely referring to the current system else there would be little point in even bringing up the Sinner doping case.

Elon's Grok agrees with this take. Thanks Elon!
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Serena Williams’ statement about receiving a 20-year ban for a doping offense similar to Jannik Sinner’s is indeed ambiguous as it doesn’t explicitly clarify whether she’s referring to the anti-doping system during her playing career or the current one. Let’s break it down:

She doesn’t specify a time frame, which leaves room for interpretation. Here are the two possibilities:
  1. During her career (“in her day”): Serena played from 1995 to 2022, a period when anti-doping rules evolved significantly. The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) was established in 1999, and its Code, implemented in 2004, standardized penalties. During her era, doping violations could carry bans of up to two years for a first offense (four years in aggravated cases), with repeat offenses potentially leading to longer suspensions. A 20-year ban would have been extreme and likely only possible for multiple egregious violations. Serena’s reference to losing Grand Slams suggests she’s thinking of a severe, career-altering punishment, possibly tied to the scrutiny she faced as a dominant Black female athlete. In 2018, she claimed she was tested more frequently than peers, which could inform her perception of harsher treatment. Her comparison to Maria Sharapova’s 15-month ban (reduced from two years) for meldonium in 2016 further hints she might be reflecting on her era’s system, where she felt penalties for her could have been disproportionately severe due to her profile or perceived biases.

  2. Under the current system: Sinner’s case falls under the 2025 WADA Code, which still caps first-time bans at four years for intentional doping, reduced for cases like Sinner’s (unintentional contamination, no significant fault). His three-month ban reflects a negotiated settlement, acknowledging negligence by his team rather than intentional doping. Serena’s “20 years” could be hyperbole to critique the current system’s perceived leniency for Sinner, a top male player, compared to what she believes she would face today. Her comment about Sharapova suggests she sees inconsistencies in how doping cases are handled, possibly pointing to gender or racial disparities in enforcement. The current system doesn’t realistically impose 20-year bans, so her statement might be exaggerating to highlight favoritism, as echoed by players like Novak Djokovic and Liam Broady, who criticized Sinner’s short ban.
Grok's take: I lean toward the latter (current system) as well.

Serena’s statement seems less about the literal length of the ban and more about perceived inequities in how doping cases are judged, both then and now. The Sharapova reference ties her comment to her era, but the context of Sinner’s recent case suggests she’s critiquing the current system’s handling of high-profile players. Her “20 years” is likely hyperbolic, emphasizing that she believes she’d face harsher consequences—possibly due to her identity, scrutiny, or lack of the same “benefit of the doubt” afforded Sinner.

The article’s framing, focusing on Sinner’s ban and other players’ reactions, supports this as a commentary on today’s system.
However, without her explicitly saying “now” or “then,” it’s plausibly both: a reflection on her past experiences and a jab at ongoing disparities.

What tips it toward the current system for me is her active engagement with the Sinner case and the broader tennis discourse in 2025, as evidenced by her Time interview.
She’s not just reminiscing; she’s reacting to a live issue.
 
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Serena neither knows nor is engaging in that level of detail.

The serious issue the Sinner case raises is that the doping system now has a first class lounge and an economy class.

So we agree that she would receive the same treatment as Sinner today.
The problem for you is that her statement does not indicate whether she is referring to the old system or the current system.
The narcissist is likely referring to the current system else there would be little point in even bringing up the Sinner doping case.

If I did that (failed the tests), I would have gotten 20 years. Let's be honest.
 
Serena neither knows nor is engaging in that level of detail.

The serious issue the Sinner case raises is that the doping system now has a first class lounge and an economy class.
She certainly knows about Iga's slap on the wrist so it is odd that she brings up Sinner.

It is for the greater good of the sport. If you want the perks of first class than be #1 like IGA and Sinner.
 
You may think that those on top deserve favouritism, but I think they should be held to the same standard.

She certainly knows about Iga's slap on the wrist so it is odd that she brings up Sinner.

It is for the greater good of the sport. If you want the perks of first class than be #1 like IGA and Sinner.
 
You may think that those on top deserve favouritism, but I think they should be held to the same standard.
It is not a matter of favouritism my dearest. The top players will retain the best lawyers. And the best lawyers tend to win more doping cases. This is just the way of the world. In every country on the face of the earth.

The top players will also have their own coaches, trainers,physios and private jets.

Yes, it's good to be #1.
 
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