This poll asks the wrong question, and I misread it the first time. It's another GOAT thing, so of course there is no guarantee any player with any strokes would or could or should be GOAT.Isner needs somebody's return game, other than Karlovic or Opelika. He can hit a good forehand. Backhand often lands in parking lot. Movement ...nonexistent.
Big John's Xmas list:
1) Return game
2) Fleet of feet
3) A backhand
So if Big John gets all 3, he's unstoppable. 6 CYGS's in a row. Then retires as goat.
But it's not that black in white in concept. I don't expect to ever see a guy nearly 7 feet tall who is a great mover, and therefore a great defender. but guys on the list of people with top return stats are becoming more numerous. A guy 6'6" is really about half way to 7 feet tall in comparison to guys who are 6 feet tall. The moment you have a guy 6'6" who is a great mover and does not have injury problems you have a guy who also tends to be more dominant on serve just because of that height. Roanic is only 6'5".The problem is that a serve like Isner’s is ONLY possible due to his height, while a decent rest of the game is exactly NOT possible because of it.
I don’t principally dislike those "What If" questions, but if a player would have to shrink 20-25 cm directly after every serve it gets too abstract for me.
Maybe the serve of Sampras or Federer would be a good consideration for some players, but not the serve of a 2.10 m servebot.
Don't know what Isner's winning percentage is on return games. Has to be one of the worse. He just doesn't have the hand/eye coordination and movement to return well. But in this thread of make believe...even Isner can become goat.This poll asks the wrong question, and I misread it the first time. It's another GOAT thing, so of course there is no guarantee any player with any strokes would or could or should be GOAT.
A better questions would be: how good would a player be who wins more than 90% of service games and more than 30% of return games? Then the answer is that this player, also given good health and longevity, would be right at the top of the last of ATGs.
This is exactly what Murray, with a Fed-like serve, would have been invincible. Or why Djokovic, with Fed's serve, would already be over 20 majors. Or why Fed, with Murry or Djokovic numbers on return, would be at around 25+ majors already.
This is why a player like Med is so potentially dangerous. He's crossed the 30% threshhold this year for winning service games on HC. He's #5 on this list right now and actually got to around 31% before the USO.
If he stays there, and if he gets into the elite stats of guys who get very close to 90% of return games on a surface, on that surface he will be around Djokovic peak level.
This is why this new group of very tall players who return well are so potentially dangerous. But so far we have not yet had one who can put it all together.
I can tell you from memory that's around 10%. Maybe it peaked above that.Don't know what Isner's winning percentage is on return games. Has to be one of the worse. He just doesn't have the hand/eye coordination and movement to return well. But in this thread of make believe...even Isner can become goat.