I was being humble, like Nadal.Perhaps?
Its with a 100% certainty I can say that Rafa's FH & BH passes are unparalleled, and even on today's tour, nobody's closer to him.
Lendl's backhand pass was the best ever.
Eh Fed's was never fully suited for clay, he lost his first 10 matchee on it IIRC. He did play some amazing tennis on the surface at times but that's because he was such a great player overall.That's Federer in a hypothetical 2nd clay slam.
Lol I was messing.Eh Fed's was never fully suited for clay, he lost his first 10 matchee on it IIRC. He did play some amazing tennis on the surface at times but that's because he was such a great player overall.
His biggest missed opportunity was 2004 when it comes to the FO IMO. He was such a beast from the backcourt that year, but went down tamely to the shadow of Guga in straights.
Yes, and speaking of big missed opportunities, slight tangent as it was hard courts but another was the 2014 uso when he would have had to beat cilic and nishikori.His biggest missed opportunity was 2004 when it comes to the FO IMO. He was such a beast from the backcourt that year, but went down tamely to the shadow of Guga in straights.
Old glass jaw Klitschko. The guy would drop from a stiff breeze. Remember the beating old Corrie Sanders gave him? He was the most overrated cautious fighter I’ve ever seen.He would destroy Sinner exactly like Wladimir Klitschko destroyed Mercer. Hihihihihi
Sinner is better than Nadal on every surface except clay. I think Nadal would have 12 RG titles and about 15 GS titles if they both went pro at the same time.Seriously, after this AO, I am starting to believe that Jannik Sinner is literally unbeatable. In all my years of watching tennis, I have never seen a tennis player look this unbeatable, not even Federer in 2006, Nadal in 2010 or Djokovic during the first half of 2011.
Simply the highest level of tennis I have ever witnessed.
And I do truly mean it when I say that I think this version of Jannik is far too good to be beaten on any surface. You would have to nerf his current level of play to such an astronomical extent to enable him to get beaten by anyone, including prime Big 3.
Now, obviously, Nadal on clay is (or at least, was) considered to be by far the most unbeatable version of a tennis player ever. And especially at RG, he has a remarkable record of 112 wins and 4 losses!
Nevertheless, I do believe that the current version of Jannik Sinner can beat prime Nadal at RG, because his raw level is just far too high and I doubt that a transition from hard court to clay would be enough of a nerf.
So, what do you guys think? How many RG titles would Nadal have won if Jannik Sinner were born in the same era as him?
In my opinion, I would say definitely far less than 14: somewhere around 3-5.
I think Sinner might be a bit better than Fed on clay. Fed is much better on grass. They are equal on hard court. Sinner is better than Novak on grass, worse on clay, and equal on hard. Rafa is better than sinner on clay while sinner is better on every other surface.I have a feeling that Sinner is going to become a great clay player very soon. He injured his hip last year, yet still took Alcaraz to 5 sets.
That said, it’s ridiculous to compare him to Rafa. Rafa is from a different planet on clay. Let’s worry about Sinner passing Federer first on clay. That seems like a legit target for now. And if that happens, then he can target Djokovic on clay(lofty goal; maybe too lofty).
How has Sinner in any way proven himself as better on grass than Djokovic?I think Sinner might be a bit better than Fed on clay. Fed is much better on grass. They are equal on hard court. Sinner is better than Novak on grass, worse on clay, and equal on hard. Rafa is better than sinner on clay while sinner is better on every other surface.
LOL. Nadal, the 2-time Wimbledon champion, is now worse than Sinner on grass? People have lost their minds.Sinner is better than Nadal on every surface except clay.
Not any, except that Djokovic couldn't win any Wimbledons until Federer and Nadal were past their peak. Alcaraz defeated Djoker in the past two wimbledon finals. Sinner lost in 2024 to Medvedev while he was sick. In 2023, Sinner lost to Novak, but that was before he had even won a grand slam or made the top five. I feel like now, he will start playing better tennis on grass than Novak ever really did.How has Sinner in any way proven himself as better on grass than Djokovic?
If sinner stays a solid top 3 player for the next seven years, he'll have at least 3 wimbledon titlesLOL. Nadal, the 2-time Wimbledon champion, is now worse than Sinner on grass? People have lost their minds.
Fonseca will end up with at least 5 rgYes, Sinner is the real clay king. I think Nadal would win only a couple. And, if you add Fonseca, zero RGs for Nadal.
Based on what he's done on hardcourt in the last year?If sinner stays a solid top 3 player for the next seven years, he'll have at least 3 wimbledon titles
No, based off what he did on grass last year. He won Halle and lost to medvedev in the semis only because he was sick.Based on what he's done on hardcourt in the last year?
Roddick won Queen's Club 4 times. No Wimbledon title.No, based off what he did on grass last year. He won Halle and lost to medvedev in the semis only because he was sick.
Lendl's backhand pass was the best ever.
Those other two never had to hit as many backhand passes as Lendl did. He was better if you ask me. Probably Wilander and Borg were too.Nope. On clay both Nadal and Djok's were better.
Overall, Djok is #1... never been anyone better at hitting the bh. That's not an insult to any past great, it's just a fact.
Those other two never had to hit as many backhand passes as Lendl did. He was better if you ask me. Probably Wilander and Borg were too.
Different technology.Quality over quantity.
Need to get over your nostalgia... as great as they were, they weren't better than Nadal or Djok at hitting the bh pass on clay.
Different technology.
No problem, when one brother loses, another will make a revange.Old glass jaw Klitschko. The guy would drop from a stiff breeze. Remember the beating old Corrie Sanders gave him? He was the most overrated cautious fighter I’ve ever seen.
Recency bias is strong with a lot of people.Mental thread, tbh.
Sinner shoots a few deers in cages over the last 12 months and suddenly he’s up there with Peakdal.![]()
Sinner is better than Nadal on every surface except clay. I think Nadal would have 12 RG titles and about 15 GS titles if they both went pro at the same time.
No, from that moment he collapsed physically and mentally.Haha, he won one more game after that![]()
No, from that moment he collapsed physically and mentally.
But in the first set and a half a puny 19-year-old number 70 in the world put the God of clay in his temple in serious difficulty.
In fact, in that specific edition the puny 19-year-old was the player who came closest to taking a set from him.
And Nadal had won 24 matches in a row on clay after winning the 2005 French Open final. That went up to 81 in a row by 2007 Hamburg, when Nadal was still 20.What do you mean no?
Lol it's a fact
Oh and when Nadal was a "puny 19-year-old"... he won the whole event... including beating peak Federer and a cheating doper on the way...
As someone from reddit said:Jannik can beat raph a couple of times like Djokovic from what I saw the young sinner do. Their 2020 rg qf was on slow clay in winter and he was able to hit through nadal.
So I say 13.
Nadal is not god he can be beaten.
He got wiped out in straight sets…and then lost even easier the following yearJannik can beat raph a couple of times like Djokovic from what I saw the young sinner do. Their 2020 rg qf was on slow clay in winter and he was able to hit through nadal.
So I say 13.
Nadal is not god he can be beaten.
Must be lower intelligence Reddit person as soderling Djokovic and zverev are all great at handling topspin fh of nadalAs someone from reddit said:
"Everyone has a plan, until they get high topspin balls to their backhand"
And Nadal had won 24 matches in a row on clay after winning the 2005 French Open final. That went up to 81 in a row by 2007 Hamburg, when Nadal was still 20.
You had written sarcastically if he had won another game after that point in the Gif and I answered no.What do you mean no?
Lol it's a fact
Oh and when Nadal was a "puny 19-year-old"... he won the whole event... including beating peak Federer and a cheating doper on the way...
You had written sarcastically if he had won another game after that point in the Gif and I answered no.
But I try to stay humble.![]()
Mercer's chin is made of titanium. Wlad hits like a freight train.He would destroy Sinner exactly like Wladimir Klitschko destroyed Mercer. Hihihihihi
Sure, whatever. I've actually watched all of them play. Never seen anyone hit better passing shots than Lendl. Look, a guy like Lendl probably hit more passing shots in a month than Djokovic or Nadal did in a year. You know, practice makes perfect.Quality over quantity.
Need to get over your nostalgia... as great as they were, they weren't better than Nadal or Djok at hitting the bh pass on clay.
You still don't have anything to base that on.Not any, except that Djokovic couldn't win any Wimbledons until Federer and Nadal were past their peak. Alcaraz defeated Djoker in the past two wimbledon finals. Sinner lost in 2024 to Medvedev while he was sick. In 2023, Sinner lost to Novak, but that was before he had even won a grand slam or made the top five. I feel like now, he will start playing better tennis on grass than Novak ever really did.