If Jannik Sinner and Rafael Nadal were born in the same era, how many Roland Garros titles would Nadal have won?

How many RG titles does Nadal win if Sinner was born in the same era as him?

  • 0-2

    Votes: 21 8.2%

  • 2-5

    Votes: 10 3.9%

  • 6-9

    Votes: 7 2.7%

  • 10-13

    Votes: 14 5.5%

  • still 14

    Votes: 204 79.7%
  • Total voters
    256
DSH said:
You're running short on the number, buddy
Nadal would have won 17 RG titles if you replace Sinner with Djokovic.
:cool:
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You are not really making much sense, because prime Sinner is FAR better than any version of Djokovic on any surface. That is the undeniable truth.
 
DSH said:
Hitman, what do you think about this statement from a Sinner fan?
:sneaky:
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Dude, just accept it. Nadal at RG has never faced any opponent as good as post-2024 version of Jannik Sinner. The best one he faced at RG was perhaps 2006 Federer, 2009 Soderling or 2013 Djokovic, but they are all far inferior to post-2024 Sinner.
 
Sinner is too dumb to ever take a set from Nadal because Nadal uses top spin and angles and variety, whereas Sinner only likes playing flat hitters.
That's why Alcaraz beats Sinner on hardcourt, because Alcaraz uses drop shots and variety 8-B
Hardly anyone on the ATP tour has variety, so when Shelton used variety he got up a break vs. Sinner at the AO, but then Shelton choked and made unforced errors galore...
 
Megafanoftennis100 said:
Nope, he would win against everyone BUT prime Sinner. He could still defeat pre-2024 Sinner at Roland Garros, but not the post-2024 versions of Sinner.
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Him too.

Sinner hasn't shown he has been able to defeat Alcaraz on clay. Alcaraz hasn't shown he is half as good as Rafa on clay. Unless you can come up with an argument that shows he is a bad match-up for Nadal on clay (which is doubtful, given their actual matches), it is unlikely that he'll go from not beating Alcaraz to beating Nadal.
 
Aabye5 said:
Him too.

Sinner hasn't shown he has been able to defeat Alcaraz on clay. Alcaraz hasn't shown he is half as good as Rafa on clay. Unless you can come up with an argument that shows he is a bad match-up for Nadal on clay (which is doubtful, given their actual matches), it is unlikely that he'll go from not beating Alcaraz to beating Nadal.
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He is not even a quarter of Nadal on clay.
:D
 
Megafanoftennis100 said:
Seriously, after this AO, I am starting to believe that Jannik Sinner is literally unbeatable. In all my years of watching tennis, I have never seen a tennis player look this unbeatable, not even Federer in 2006, Nadal in 2010 or Djokovic during the first half of 2011.
Simply the highest level of tennis I have ever witnessed.
And I do truly mean it when I say that I think this version of Jannik is far too good to be beaten on any surface. You would have to nerf his current level of play to such an astronomical extent to enable him to get beaten by anyone, including prime Big 3.
Now, obviously, Nadal on clay is (or at least, was) considered to be by far the most unbeatable version of a tennis player ever. And especially at RG, he has a remarkable record of 112 wins and 4 losses!
Nevertheless, I do believe that the current version of Jannik Sinner can beat prime Nadal at RG, because his raw level is just far too high and I doubt that a transition from hard court to clay would be enough of a nerf.

So, what do you guys think? How many RG titles would Nadal have won if Jannik Sinner were born in the same era as him?
In my opinion, I would say definitely far less than 14: somewhere around 3-5.
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This has to be one of the biggest pieces of nonsense ever written here.
o_O
 
DSH said:
This has to be one of the biggest pieces of nonsense ever written here.
o_O
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Have you ever seen a single match of prime Nadal at RG?! Because if you actually did see the matches and compared them to those of the current version of Sinner, you'd then finally realize the truth ;)
 
Megafanoftennis100 said:
Seriously, after this AO, I am starting to believe that Jannik Sinner is literally unbeatable. In all my years of watching tennis, I have never seen a tennis player look this unbeatable, not even Federer in 2006, Nadal in 2010 or Djokovic during the first half of 2011.
Simply the highest level of tennis I have ever witnessed.
And I do truly mean it when I say that I think this version of Jannik is far too good to be beaten on any surface. You would have to nerf his current level of play to such an astronomical extent to enable him to get beaten by anyone, including prime Big 3.
Now, obviously, Nadal on clay is (or at least, was) considered to be by far the most unbeatable version of a tennis player ever. And especially at RG, he has a remarkable record of 112 wins and 4 losses!
Nevertheless, I do believe that the current version of Jannik Sinner can beat prime Nadal at RG, because his raw level is just far too high and I doubt that a transition from hard court to clay would be enough of a nerf.

So, what do you guys think? How many RG titles would Nadal have won if Jannik Sinner were born in the same era as him?
In my opinion, I would say definitely far less than 14: somewhere around 3-5.
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Where is the over 14 option?
 
The_Order said:
Of course not, but if he loses to a player at RG who is infinitely lesser than prime Nadal... impossible to make any case that he's stopping Rafa from getting 14.
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I could see how adding him into the mix might make it more difficult, but that's just a numbers game.
 
Megafanoftennis100 said:
Seriously, after this AO, I am starting to believe that Jannik Sinner is literally unbeatable. In all my years of watching tennis, I have never seen a tennis player look this unbeatable, not even Federer in 2006, Nadal in 2010 or Djokovic during the first half of 2011.
Simply the highest level of tennis I have ever witnessed.
And I do truly mean it when I say that I think this version of Jannik is far too good to be beaten on any surface. You would have to nerf his current level of play to such an astronomical extent to enable him to get beaten by anyone, including prime Big 3.
Now, obviously, Nadal on clay is (or at least, was) considered to be by far the most unbeatable version of a tennis player ever. And especially at RG, he has a remarkable record of 112 wins and 4 losses!
Nevertheless, I do believe that the current version of Jannik Sinner can beat prime Nadal at RG, because his raw level is just far too high and I doubt that a transition from hard court to clay would be enough of a nerf.

So, what do you guys think? How many RG titles would Nadal have won if Jannik Sinner were born in the same era as him?
In my opinion, I would say definitely far less than 14: somewhere around 3-5.
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14. How many RG finals has Sinner reached?
 
Peak Nadal at RG would still be a notch or two above peak Sinner, even as he was a notch or two above peak Roger and the only player who consistently gave him a tough time between 2012- 2022 at RG was Novak, who with exception of 2020 always made Rafa work hard for every win, and even managed to grab a couple of wins himself.

So even if Sinner in his 2024/25 form had been there do not think Rafa's RG total would be reduced by that much at all.
 
Go search Rafa vs Basilashvili RG 2017, I saw it live the whole match..and I thought Nadal concede that 1 game in the 2nd set. Thats 30 y.oldal level.
 
This thread just keeps on giving :-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D

For those of you counting, the number of laughing emojis is the same number of RG titles RAFA would have if he and the Sinner were born in the same era.
 
ebar86 said:
Go search Rafa vs Basilashvili RG 2017, I saw it live the whole match..and I thought Nadal concede that 1 game in the 2nd set. Thats 30 y.oldal level.
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2017 French Open Nadal was very formidable because it was the best that he ever served at the French Open. He dropped fewer games than even in 2008.

I remember ITV doing analysis before the 2018 French Open final between Nadal and Thiem, and they made a pretty big deal of how much weaker Nadal's serving was compared to the year before. Not that it mattered in terms of him winning.
 
If Rafa had been born later, at about the same time as Jannik & Carl, his game would have developed the way theirs developed, and he would have stayed the most accomplished player on clay.
 
SonnyT said:
If Rafa had been born later, at about the same time as Jannik & Carl, his game would have developed the way theirs developed, and he would have stayed the most accomplished player on clay.
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Below are the Australian Open matches from 2004 and 2005 with Nadal vs. Hewitt. Look at how much flatter Nadal hit in the 2004 match:

 
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