If leaving c10 pro, which to demo?

markwillplay

Hall of Fame
I am enjoying the c10 but am wanting to try something that may be a hair lighter with similar sw. I ordered head gravity pro and tour as well as yonex vcore pro 330. I have looked at some of the newer reviews and decided to skip the 16 18 princes. I think I may want to go 16 19. Like plush, and stable....duh. I may not switch but spring is coming and I thought I would take a short tour of demos. What day you?
 

fuzz nation

G.O.A.T.
I think you nailed it already with that list. Maybe consider the Dunlop CX 200 and the heavier Tecnifibre models. Come to think of it, I've never been much of a fan of Head equipment, but their new midplus Prestiges may also be worth a look.

Since you like the heavy and plush recipe, be careful to not go too light. I gave my shoulder a pretty bad tweak last year when I tried to play for a bit with the Blade 98 in the 16x19 layout. The lighter alternative had less inherent power for me and it tricked me into swinging harder to compensate. But those middleweights don't give me the ability to thump the ball on demand with my natural swing speeds like I can with the C10.

So if you want to dabble with options that are only a hair lighter, you sound like you're on the right track. I feel a pretty big difference whenever I lighten up by only a few tenths of an ounce.
 

emhtennis

Professional
May also be fun to demo a new Wilson Ultra Pro and add lead until you get it heavy enough. Or just buy an older model, I've seen new ones as low as $100

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tennis347

Hall of Fame
I know fuzz nation said he tweaked his shoulder with the Wilson Blade last year. However, I have to say that the new Blade v7 98 16 x 19 would be a nice option coming from the C10 Pro. The Blade has a healthy SW in stock form, good feel, comfort, decent power and control for a thin beam. I have been using it since it came out and used the C10 Pro many years ago which is much too heavy for me these days.
 

markwillplay

Hall of Fame
My c10s are very headlight and their sw are all around 330. I could probably go higher sw if less static but who knows. I looked at that new prestige series and thought the pro might be nice but I don’t really want to venture to ra of 65 and over. I will report back if I find something I really like.
 

TennisHound

Legend
I am enjoying the c10 but am wanting to try something that may be a hair lighter with similar sw. I ordered head gravity pro and tour as well as yonex vcore pro 330. I have looked at some of the newer reviews and decided to skip the 16 18 princes. I think I may want to go 16 19. Like plush, and stable....duh. I may not switch but spring is coming and I thought I would take a short tour of demos. What day you?
The C10 will be tough to match, since its a little heavier, has a fairly big head, and a tight string pattern. I could see the Yonex coming close.
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
As a former C10'er, may I recommend the Yonex VCore 98. I think it is hands down a better frame than the C10 -- more of everything.
 

Rocket54

New User
My c10s are very headlight and their sw are all around 330. I could probably go higher sw if less static but who knows. I looked at that new prestige series and thought the pro might be nice but I don’t really want to venture to ra of 65 and over. I will report back if I find something I really like.
The new Prestige MP is a really nice racquet. I've been using it for several weeks and couldn't be happier. Very controlled and comfortable feel, if you enjoy an old style feel you should give it a try. I string mine with Isospeed Control Classic at 46.
 

Hansen

Professional
has someone removed the pallets on the c10 pro ? are there lead weights under the pallet or inside the grip which can be removed ?
 

markwillplay

Hall of Fame
I have the 2012 model I think. Sort of the neon yellow and black. I had to put a ton of lead on the handle of one of them to match it to the other two. They were new when I bout them. FWIW, I had a couple of older models years ago and these swing lighter to me. Anyway, I am playing pretty well with them and they were better for me than the prince T100p they replaced. As crazy as it sounds, I have trouble slicing with them. I come over the top of everything for safety (1hbh). This is the opposite with other sticks I have had through the years. I think that the string pattern is pretty darn tight in the middle. Launch on these sticks is really low even compared to the 18/20 T100p. I do like the power and that than beam, buttery feel is addictive.

I looked at the Prestige Pro and mp (new ones) and they are getting really good marks. I may demo them, but damn, new sticks are expensive. I have hit a couple of times with my friend's Vcore Pro 330 (blue one) and it seemed pretty stout sw wise.

I had tried the Wilson blade countervail 18/20 a couple of years ago and I hated the balance of it. Swung like a hammer. Maybe that balance is something I would get used to. I could just be addicted to really headlight sticks too because that is all I have ever played with. I am 50 and serve and volley a lot. can stay back and swat t with the kids but I don't enjoy playing that way. I am looking forward to playing a bit with these Gravities, they seem like they would have a plush feel and they don't have a thick beam. We'll see how the first demos go. By the way, I play with head velocity multi which is a very low powered multi. I do not play with polys...
 

markwillplay

Hall of Fame
Ok, call me nuts, go ahead. Talk me out of demoing the Wilson Clash Tour. I am just wondering about this stick. I love stability and flexibility. I just watched a fellow demo the Gravity Tour and the Clash and he liked the Clash more. I wonder how it would apply to my aggressive game. Maybe it would be neat to just go in for something totally different. Talk to me.
 

cheers

Rookie
I used the c10 for many years, I loved the flexy feel and the big weight behind the shot (high static weight but moderate swingweight). Afterwards, I ventured off into babolat land for a while and was really addicted to the easy power, spin, and total disregard for control... fun times... But I moved back to a feel-based players' stick, spent some time with Boris Becker Legend/Melbourne, then a Head IG Prestige MP which was one of the best feeling sticks I've ever hit. But I wanted a more open pattern, so I landed on an older Tecnifibre 315 Limited 16x19 in the DC version (foam filled, no silicone, no leather grip). And honestly, with just 4-5 grams of lead at 2 and 10, I am getting great feel, control, spin, and ample power. It's not as hard to lug around as the c10, so I would say I'm playing better overall. It's worth a shot. It has a more direct feel and a bit stiffer overall, but it's in the same ballpark with more on the upside. They still sell the DC version brand new for around 80/each if you know where to look. Hope that helps.

BTW, I did try the Gravity Pro along with the IG Prestige MP and it was a great feeling racquet, but I had to be on the gas all the time to hit the type of ball that does it justice and my ability isn't quite there yet. I tend to get this feeling from most 18x20 (something to do with the lower power and launch angle). What a great serving stick, though, for a racquet with such a high swingweight.
 

Steve Huff

G.O.A.T.
I would try the Yonex VCore 100. Yonex rackets are noted for being well-made, solid, great control, consistent. The other reason I recommend it is because the shape of the Yonex grip is a little "blocky", similar to the Volkl's. Heads have a rectangular shape which you may like also. Prince, Wilson, Pro Kennex and other have a rounder gripshape.
 

markwillplay

Hall of Fame
I think the newer head gravity and prestige have the more Wilson shapes one. That is one of the thing that makes me hesitate with Technofibre. I think it has the head rectangular shape and I don’t like that. My c10s has that and I modified them fine, but I don’t want to have to do that.

I will take a look at that Yonex. I have not heard much about the 100, only the two 97 weights.
 

Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
The current C10 has a little more beefier SW and smidgen stiffer RA than the older versions, There are lot of options out there but only if you are prepared to customise. As mentioned already here the Yonex V Pro 330 is one option straight away and if you are prepared to trying an 18/20 albeit an open 18/20 you could try the PK Q Plus Tour 325. This racquet is a little less lively and manuverable than the C10 but you can lower the strung tension, It is a great frame, very solid and comfortable and underrated.
Another option is to order an Angell V 3 with the 330/305 spec in the 97 head. A little stiffer frame than the C10 but a very solid one.
 

markwillplay

Hall of Fame
Looking at the Prince 100x 305, it looks like it might be a good platform stick to add weight to. Tennisnerd really loved it. Not sure how wide open the 18/20 is but it may be time for me to look at this string pattern on the Princes.
 

fuzz nation

G.O.A.T.
As a former C10'er, may I recommend the Yonex VCore 98. I think it is hands down a better frame than the C10 -- more of everything.

Not a surprise. If I had to find a new brand tomorrow, Yonex might be right at the top of my very short list.

I did have an odd go with a couple different models though. The RDS 002 Tour (I hope that's right) was an easy hitter and nice for both serve and volley play or doub's action, but I could not churn out decent spin with that frame. On the other hand, I scored a pair of RD Ti-80's - not identical to the 002 Tour, but very similar specs - and I actually had to adjust my swings for less spin with those racquets. Completely yin and yang.

Yonex frames also seem to play "bigger" for me than other brands with more oval-shaped heads. Although I like my two Volkl models that have 98" hoops, I'd probably try to get my hands on a 95" Yonex and go from there.

Best of luck with your VCore 98 (y)
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
@fuzz nation - I've been almost a year with the VC98 and I can attest to the amount of spin I get with them. They are very very spin friendly. I am getting more spin with them than I ever got with the C10. They also allow (and encourage) more racket head speed due to something; I'm not sure what. The best thing about them is the grip shape which is apparently perfect for me. I am much more comfortable and most importantly confident off the ground on both sides with this frame. The honeymoon is not over after a year! I cannot recommend these frames highly enough. They are lighter than the C10 by nearly an ounce (349 vs 323). It really doesn't translate to stability problems because you can swing them faster. At net, they are a joy as well.
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
Rabbit, That frame is not stiff feeling? TE reviews said it was. I use head velocity multi by the way

Not in the least! TW's stiffness ratings are 1 point off, 65 for the VC 98 and 64 for the C10. It does feel a little firmer (I use firmer, not stiffer on purpose) than the C10, but it is a welcome change once you hit with it and feel its power and control.
 

PrinceMoron

Legend
Ok, call me nuts, go ahead. Talk me out of demoing the Wilson Clash Tour. I am just wondering about this stick. I love stability and flexibility. I just watched a fellow demo the Gravity Tour and the Clash and he liked the Clash more. I wonder how it would apply to my aggressive game. Maybe it would be neat to just go in for something totally different. Talk to me.

God I hated the Clash Tour

No idea where the ball was going

Plays like a Prince Classic aluminium. You end up being scared to hit a full stroke.


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markwillplay

Hall of Fame
thanks for that. I will leave the clash alone. I have these head demos here now, and the next 330. I can tell that won't like the Yonex 330. Something about the way it swings for me. The two head gravities feel pretty darn good swinging through the air. Will hit some balls tomorrow. I do not find that the pro swings difficult. I measured the SW of this one myself and by my calculations it is 329. Hell, could be off a bit. The tour is just right behind it though and has a slightly higher twistweight stock. Makes sense to get the tour and add a smidge of lead. I guess some like the thinner beam. Maybe I will as well. Of course these are 18/20....duh...well we will see how they serve. I want more access to spin than I get with the c10. I will check out the pattern and see how close it would be with 17 gauge. Anyway, I will see just how "plush" these heads are. I got them with multis because that is what I play with.

By the way, I do NOT believe that these c10's are 64 stiff. I would be shocked.
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
@markwillplay it may be because the flex points are in different places. Ski companies have machines that can measure flex every quarter inch which is the best indication of flex.
As a former C10 user I can report that I think they compare favorably from a feel perspective. The VC98 ain’t a noodle though
 

markwillplay

Hall of Fame
Ok, so here goes the first round. I should give some info first for those of you who have not hovered over this forum for a million years. turn 50 this year, have had both hips replaced....yes, my doc is all good with me playing singles on clay...and I am an attacking player. I can bang from the back but I love to move forward. When I first came to these forums I was an exclusive serve and volleyer (aahhh the good lol days of hard court bliss....but I digress). My favorite stick of all time is the Becker 11 mid which I would be playing with if I had not sold them years ago. I still move forward when I can and serve and volley quite a bit. I have been exposed to 16 year olds hitting every ball with as much spin and heat as they can. Modern game I guess...I just can't bring myself to indulge in that type[e of play. In the words of Edberg, "I just don't enjoy it as much. I am in very good physical condition and have played with all of the heavy favs over the years. This brings me to my first demo stick.....

I gave the Yonex core pro 330 a shot. Did not like it. I used to play with the Yonex RDS 002 tour and I believe that stick is superior to the current vcore pro. Sorry, I just do. My Volkl C10 pro does everything the Yonex does and swings easier. My C10 pros are the neon looking ones...I thought they were 2012 but I have no idea. I have them at around 12.7oz and 330-3332 SW. They swing easier than the Yonex and deliver a heavy ball. Yonex, disqualified.

Oh, what am I looking for? Simple, a stick that gives me a little higher launch angle and some easy power...all the whole being arm friendly. So next...Head Gravity

The tour and the pro are both really nice. I told myself that I would like the tour more because it was supposed to have more easy power and feel pretty much the same. Well. it could have been the string but that was not the case. The pro felt much better to me. I may have to admit to Rabbit that my c10s are more stiff than I had thought. The heads both flexed more than my c10s. Both of them gave me more spin with the SAME stroke. Almost reminded me of my Prince Tour 100 18/20s which gave plenty of spin. I hit with a young fellow who was hitting with a huge amount of spin pushing me back so it was a good test. Either of the heads could hang, but I liked the pro best. I would have no trouble going 18/20 with this stick. It seemed like I could not miss. I was not blowing balls by him but was hitting really big spin groundies and I liked the stability on volleys. There is no way this stick measured much above low 330s or so with SW. The people here who say that ordered one and got one with a 340 SW scare me to be honest. I mean damn, that is like buying a stick pot luck. I did not get a chance to serve but against the wall, I could tell that I was getting good work on the ball. If I decide to go this way, I would request TW send me sticks within a certain range. Now the tour could be good too, it just did not feel as good to me as the Pro. I was loving my 1hbh with this thing. Maybe the round head is good after all. Anyway, I could see moving to this, adding a shade of weight under the butt capp and gong wild. But, what does it give me in matches? I don't know yet.

Bottom line is that these Gravity sticks are the real deal. Flex is nce and spin is probably the best of any 18/20 have played.

I think I will do one more round of demos and include the Yonex Rabbit speaks of, and maybe the Prince and Prestige Pro. The Head Gravity pro would need no added weight to the hoop and I like that.

By the way, I should say that my hitting partner today liked the way the ball came off my c10's....oh well....
 

markwillplay

Hall of Fame
Might order one more round of demos. The Gravity Pro is pretty good. I do not like it as much as my c10....t feels more flexy and does not seem to have the overall plow. Still, I think that the weight of the c10 has probably spoiled me. I may try one of the prince phantoms 18/20?? and perhaps I should hit the Yonex Rabbit mentions. I don't thnk I will mess with technifibre because if I get something else, it will not have the rectangle grip. I have modified my c10s but don't want to mess with that again. The Gravity pro was pretty plush and I know I could play with it. I would weight up the lighter sticks so really more about feel. I admit that I like the weight of the gravity pro though. I do NOT have to have a new stick. I buy used like a big dog, so let me know if there is anything you can think of that may be used.
 

fuzz nation

G.O.A.T.
Might order one more round of demos. The Gravity Pro is pretty good. I do not like it as much as my c10....t feels more flexy and does not seem to have the overall plow. Still, I think that the weight of the c10 has probably spoiled me. I may try one of the prince phantoms 18/20?? and perhaps I should hit the Yonex Rabbit mentions. I don't thnk I will mess with technifibre because if I get something else, it will not have the rectangle grip. I have modified my c10s but don't want to mess with that again. The Gravity pro was pretty plush and I know I could play with it. I would weight up the lighter sticks so really more about feel. I admit that I like the weight of the gravity pro though. I do NOT have to have a new stick. I buy used like a big dog, so let me know if there is anything you can think of that may be used.

Not a huge surprise that your demo with the Gravity Pro went that way for you. Looking at its spec sheet, I remember a few years ago when I tried out the Yones RDiS 1 Tour (bought one used off the classifieds here). It was wide through the hoop and flexy at the throat with a 95" head, had a really nice soft-yet-crisp feel at contact, but its stock weight and balance were close to the Gravity Pro. I had already discovered the C10 when I found that Yonex, so that RDiS didn't come to life for me until I leaded the hoop and the handle.

I suppose I've been spoiled by the C10, too. What I'm hopin' and a-prayin' for is that Volkl will come to Jesus like some of these other brands have in recent years and get back to putting out superior softer racquets. If nothing else, I'd be over the moon if they decided to resurrect the Organix line so that I could grab six or eight of the O10 325g's for myself while hoarding is in fashion.
 

markwillplay

Hall of Fame
I had a last hit with the Pro today. My take is that compared to many sticks being sold today, it is really plush...compared to my c10's it feels "flimsy". I am not in love with the wide head and that was a knock I also had with the phantom 100s I ht with. There will be no purchase of this stick for me. I am going to look at the Yonex stick Rabbit clams is nice and see how that goes. I am not worried as much about weight. I can add weight. I am looking for something that feels a little more compact without being stiff. I will say that playing with these two head sticks, and yes, I did hit with the Yonex core pro 330, Prince is making some pretty damn good feeling sticks all around. I thought about looking at the TT95 but I have been done that road and know that feel with the tt100p. I liked it but in the end, sold them in favor of the Volkls. One stick that I thought about demoing was the core 95 but people keep talking about a small sweet spot and it being not as easy to play with. At my age, I just passed. Looking at the sweet spot comparison on the TW site, notice how large the C10 pro sweetspot is. Oh well, i will find it.....
 

tonylg

Legend
Ok, call me nuts, go ahead. Talk me out of demoing the Wilson Clash Tour. I am just wondering about this stick. I love stability and flexibility. I just watched a fellow demo the Gravity Tour and the Clash and he liked the Clash more. I wonder how it would apply to my aggressive game. Maybe it would be neat to just go in for something totally different. Talk to me.

Not the Tour, demo the Clash 98. It obviously won't give same kind of thump as your C10, but it is not some polarised POS for kiddies to flail away at the baseline with. It is headlight and suits your style of play.
 

markwillplay

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You know I hit with my friend’s clash 100 today and I had no trouble with control. I did not like it because of how light it was but I got the point. Really threw the ball out there with some power. I purposely flattened out some grounders and no trouble. By the way, he hates the string I recommended but it was pretty nice to hit with MY string head velocity. I am betting that the string helped reel that stick in. He is older and needs more power but I did wonder what the tour or 98 with some lead would play like.
 

tennis347

Hall of Fame
You know I hit with my friend’s clash 100 today and I had no trouble with control. I did not like it because of how light it was but I got the point. Really threw the ball out there with some power. I purposely flattened out some grounders and no trouble. By the way, he hates the string I recommended but it was pretty nice to hit with MY string head velocity. I am betting that the string helped reel that stick in. He is older and needs more power but I did wonder what the tour or 98 with some lead would play like.

Angell is making some really good racquets these days. The ASL2, K7 Lime, TC 100, TC 97 with 63 RA. I bought the ASL2 over a month ago, initially didn't like it but after a few hitting sessions I realized that it has a nice feel, easy spin, decent pop, good comfort, and control as well as quite maneuverable. There's room to add some weight as the stock weight strung is around 320 or so. It's a 97 sq inch, 16 x 19 pattern, 310 grams unstrung with a nice HL balance along with a 62 RA. I have been using the Blade v7 98 16 x 19 since it came out but was looking for something a bit more whippy and maneuverable. But I have not played for about 10 days since the Corona issue. I will explore using the ASL2 more once things are back to normal to see if I will make the switch. I am 53 and play at the 4.0-4.5 level. I can still generate good racquet head speed but I noticed that a racquet that is a bit more HL balance makes the game easier for me. Angell might fit the bill.
 
I would highly recommend giving the new Prestige MP a try. I preferred the feel and balance of the MP to the Gravity Pro and would switch to that stick (the MP) in a heartbeat. The new Pro is nice but the additional flex of the 98 is super. If you do try it out, looking forward to seeing your thoughts.
 

1stVolley

Professional
I am enjoying the c10 but am wanting to try something that may be a hair lighter with similar sw. I ordered head gravity pro and tour as well as yonex vcore pro 330. I have looked at some of the newer reviews and decided to skip the 16 18 princes. I think I may want to go 16 19. Like plush, and stable....duh. I may not switch but spring is coming and I thought I would take a short tour of demos. What day you?
Don't write off the Prince Textreme Tour 100 (310) simply because it's a 16 x 18. If you look closely at the drill pattern the spacing is close to a typical 16 x 19. The TT 100 (310) is one of the most balanced racquets I've played with--that list includes the Wilson RF 97A, Yonex VCore pro 97HD, Völkl C-10 and the Prince Textreme Tour 95. The TT 100 (310) strikes a balance between power & control, whippiness and maneuverability, firmness & plushness. All the other racquets I've used are noticeably stronger in one of these areas to the detriment of the opposite one. The TW playtesters gave it a very high rating, too.
 

markwillplay

Hall of Fame
I have no doubt that would like the 310. I have played prince sticks forever off and on. I liked the tt100p. It has been a while since I tried something completely different and so I thought I might. I did buy a frame straight away (used of course). I went in a different direction to try to get some free power. We'll see.

I played yesterday with a fellow and let him use the Gravity Pro. He uses man old Prince warrior. He did not like it very much and thought he needed more spin than the Pro was gving him. I can tell you that hitting his ball told me something different. He played pretty well with it. in mid-match, I decided to reach for the Gravity Tour for some fun before I sent them back. One thing I noticed was the HUGE difference in my serve. I was getting way more spin on my spin serves. With my C10's, I usually hit my spin serves deeper in the box. They may be heavier as well, but I have to admit that I could not miss with the tour. Ball landing much shorter in the box, but I am sure I could have hit deeper once I hit with it a lot. I am looking for that kind of ease serving. My ground stokes had more on them with the c10 and the launch was flatter. This has taught me that string pattern means nothing and that the tightness of space means much more. Anyway, I will report back once the other stick is here and I have put it though its paces. Maybe I will get lucky.
 

markwillplay

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so I got crazy and bought a used vcore 98 used from TW. I took it out and saw that someone had put a bab skin feel grip on it...perfect. Slapped an overgrip on it and yes, put about 6 grams of lead at 3 and 9. All of a sudden I thought, damn this stick feels longer than usual....and it was. They shipped me the 98 plus. Said it was their mistake and that they did not have a regular 98 used. Sent it back to await refund. All this lead and no place to go. Rabbit is off the hook for now. Just like that, a deal comes with two prince 100x 305's n 1/2 grip.....
 

markwillplay

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Yea, I know, maybe I would have loved it... But it’s not what I wanted. I have not loved the extended racquets I have played with
 

markwillplay

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So I bought a Yonex vcore 98 used and went to work on it. I added a leather grip and a bunch of lead near the top of the handle. Also added about 6 grams total at 3 and 9. Brings the stick to 350 and as I measure, 10 pts headlight. I went to the wall and took this one and one of my c10's. Also, both strung with Velicity at around 54 lbs. The Yonex still swings noticeably easier. By the way, I modified one of my c10s to match the Yonex exactly as far as weight, balance, etc... I really was surprised at the feel of the Yonex. I do not use a dampener these days and the Yonex was more dampened than the c10. I liked the feel of t wth the head velocity (which is sort of a dampened low powered multi. Sweetspot felt really good. The way the weight is distributed in the frames is interesting. think the c10 has more weight in the throat. No arm issues at all after banging that wall for 1 1/2 hours....and that is a LOT of hitting. I am taking both frames out today to use n a match. I will report back.
 

markwillplay

Hall of Fame
wow...so I can report back a bit. In match play, the Yonex felt like it was floating...I can't explain it better than that. I did NOT like it the way had it set up. I played pretty well with it to be honest, but it felt terrible. I also think that I strung it too low. I had a lot of flyers. I took the weight off of 3 and 9 and put it at 12 and it got much better. I think the thing that I missed most was the feel of plow. There were times when I felt like the ball was stopping my stroke. Of course, it was not but I did not get that sense of plow that I do with the Volkls. I had good spin on serves but to be honest, I did not notice any more heat at all. This frame reminds me a lot of the Prince TT100p that I had. Frame to frame, I would take the Prince so far. I think I will try it again with the lead at 12. I just did not feel like I was getting the same pace as I do with the C10s. In all fairness, I could be addicted to the thin beam old school feel, and I am not at all sure that I don't play better with the Yonex. One thing is for sure, I damn sure can't go back and fourth between them in a match.....yikes. Perhaps I should have just played t bone stock, but I can't imagine I would like volleys with it without some weight in the hoop.
 

Steve Huff

G.O.A.T.
I don't know if you can find them yet, but have you considered the Pro Kennex Black Ace 2020? The specs look good. They were solid rackets back in the 80s and 90s, and have little doubt that they would still be. It's a though.
 
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