If Medvedev is 2nd seed at Rg 2021 then Djokovic will have a guaranteed draw sf/f path involving Rafa/Thiem

Hitman

G.O.A.T.
Hoping for this scenario. Would really throw a wrench in the FO and make it interesting!!!
How exactly? Djokovic and Thiem on the same side, Rafa torches everyone on his way to the final, and then beats the winner of the other semi black and blue? Or Rafa beating Djokovic in the semis first and then destroying Thiem in the final as usual? :)
 
Not that it makes much difference but it’s probably better for Djokovic to draw nadal before the final. He’d probably be fresher in SF. He has better chances and even if he lost he could maybe tire Rafa out a bit for the final.

Like I said it won’t change much as nadal is the overwhelming favourite and I will be shocked if he doesn’t win it again. Still looking at history Djokovic would probably prefer Rafa before the final.
 

zipplock

Hall of Fame
How exactly? Djokovic and Thiem on the same side, Rafa torches everyone on his way to the final, and then beats the winner of the other semi black and blue? Or Rafa beating Djokovic in the semis first and then destroying Thiem in the final as usual? :)
I should have specified if Nadal and Djoker on the same side of the draw.
 

Nadal_King

Professional
Will Tsitsipas be in Djokovic's or Nadal's side? That's a relevant question for Djokovic.
Only for djokovic it's relevant not nadal as at Rg Tsitsipas will get butchered, 1 handed backhands(exception of thiem) aren't beating rafa at Rg
 

Tennis_Freak99

Hall of Fame
I want to see Nadal go through Tsitsipas Djokovic and Thiem to win this RG 2021

It is possible if he will be #3
 
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TennisFan3

G.O.A.T.
Everyone is virtually guranteed to have to play Nadal in order to win RG. It doesn't matter how fresh or fatigued you are going into whatever round you may face him. You ain't winning.
Really? That's why Soderling beat Nadal in 4 sets, Novak beat Nadal in straights all in RG.
And also Isner, Novak took Nadal to 5 sets as well.
Plus Nadal is getting slower with age and more vulnerable to long matches, and If someone stretches him past 4 hours mark in RG, who knows..
Of course, Nadal is always the favorite, but he will be less dominant as he ages..
 

TennisFan3

G.O.A.T.
Who cares, anyway.
It matters a lot. In fact it's absolutely critical.
If Nadal is #3, then Novak has to face quite likely both Nadal and Thiem for the title.
If Nadal is #2, Novak may only have to face one of Nadal/Thiem for the title. (assuming he gets Med in the SF).

The seeding may prove absolutely crucial for RG. Maybe more important than it's ever been.
 

Nadal_King

Professional
It matters a lot. In fact it's absolutely critical.
If Nadal is #3, then Novak has to face quite likely both Nadal and Thiem for the title.
If Nadal is #2, Novak may only have to face one of Nadal/Thiem for the title. (assuming he gets Med in the SF).

The seeding may prove absolutely crucial for RG. Maybe more important than it's ever been.
Yes seeding is hugely important at RG every year as it basically is 3 big contenders and then a gap unless off course likes of Tsitsipas, Zverev make themselves contenders as well
 

UnforcedTerror

Professional
Hoping for this scenario. Would really throw a wrench in the FO and make it interesting!!!
That's like the opposite of interesting. The only interesting scenario that could happen at RG is watching Bull face off against Thiem and Djokovic back to back. Med as 2nd seed makes this scenario impossible.
 

MeatTornado

G.O.A.T.
Really? That's why Soderling beat Nadal in 4 sets, Novak beat Nadal in straights all in RG.
And also Isner, Novak took Nadal to 5 sets as well.
Plus Nadal is getting slower with age and more vulnerable to long matches, and If someone stretches him past 4 hours mark in RG, who knows..
Of course, Nadal is always the favorite, but he will be less dominant as he ages..
He's dropped like 2 sets in the last 4 years
 

TennisIcon

Rookie
I think the real drama would be if Nadal is seeded #4. Him being #3 doesn’t have that big of an affect. I would love to see a situation in which Medvedev is seeded #2 and Thiem is seeded #3 which are very real possibilities going into clay season.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
His chances although less will get even tougher as both nadal/thiem imo will surely reach last 4 at this year's Rg
Djokovic no longer a threat at RG. That defeat at FO2020 was massive. He is also not really a threat at USO. Wimbledon he is with his new serve. But on slower courts he struggles now in long rallies. Naturally. He is old by tennis standards of course.
 

Hitman

G.O.A.T.
I think the real drama would be if Nadal is seeded #4. Him being #3 doesn’t have that big of an affect. I would love to see a situation in which Medvedev is seeded #2 and Thiem is seeded #3 which are very real possibilities going into clay season.
3 and 4 are pretty much the same. They are randomly picked to go against 1 and 2. The real drama can only happen with Nadal out of the draw, because then there would be uncertainity on who would win among the remaining contenders, Thiem, Djokovic, Tsitsipas etc. That would add an edge.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
3 and 4 are pretty much the same. They are randomly picked to go against 1 and 2. The real drama can only happen with Nadal out of the draw, because then there would be uncertainity on who would win among the remaining contenders, Thiem, Djokovic, Tsitsipas etc. That would add an edge.
Only injury can stop Nadal getting 21. Last FO proved it. Hopefully Rafa skips the tour until Barcelona. No need to bother with Monte Carlo. 3 warm up events all he needs. Or he could skip Madrid and play MC. Barcelona he has to play given the court is named after him.
 

MeatTornado

G.O.A.T.
Luck of the draw? I mean Nadal has massively declined on clay. He was much better from 2006-2013.
Of course he was. But the draw isn't suddenly getting any better from 2017-20 into 2021.

I seem to recall someone saying world #1 Novak Djokovic was playing the best clay court tennis of his life last October, and he got demolished. I don't think 7 months later anything significant is going to change.
 

TheAssassin

Legend
Could Fedr go on a tear in these 3 months and push Nadal or Thiem further down to fifth place so those two can meet each other in the quarterfinal? :p

Yes I'm in fantasy land, chill.
 

Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
It doesn't matter how fresh or fatigued you are going into whatever round you may face him. You ain't winning.
This is simply not how champions think. Djoker fears no-one and will be seeking revenge for the 2020 Roland Garros humiliation. Rafa will have to lose one day.
 

DieMaschine

New User
It would be really weird though seeing a guy who has never won a single match at RG and he is now 25 years old, be the 2nd seed for the event. But, it is what it is.
Kind of like Roddick being 2nd seed in 2004 when he was 2-2 going into that tournament. This would be even more comical.

Turns out Wimbledon's formula wasn't bad after all, unfortunately someone decided to break what didn't need to be fixed.
 

TennisFan3

G.O.A.T.
I seem to recall someone saying world #1 Novak Djokovic was playing the best clay court tennis of his life last October, and he got demolished. I don't think 7 months later anything significant is going to change.
I remember that. Do you think the confidence that Novak has gained at the AO spills into RG.
I mean in the AO final Novak played some of the best tennis of the past 2 years. He served huge and returned out of his mind.
Might that carry over clay and result in victories over Thiem and maybe even Nadal?
7 months is a long time in tennis. How much time did it take Delpo to get thrashed by Fed in a slam to beating him in the UsOpen in 2009.
 

MeatTornado

G.O.A.T.
I remember that. Do you think the confidence that Novak has gained at the AO spills into RG.
I mean in the AO final Novak played some of the best tennis of the past 2 years. He served huge and returned out of his mind.
Might that carry over clay and result in victories over Thiem and maybe even Nadal?
7 months is a long time in tennis. How much time did it take Delpo to get thrashed by Fed in a slam to beating him in the UsOpen in 2009.
I think this Australia victory will mean as much for his RG chances as his phenomenal 2019 victory did...
 
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