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His grieving fans can't get over him..
True, atleast Sampras walked off as the best player of his time and Federer can't claim that.
What a pity they give me!
His grieving fans can't get over him..
True, atleast Sampras walked off as the best player of his time and Federer can't claim that.
Your wish has been fulfilled and Nadal's journey to the top of the summit is still not over.Please let it be Nadal, it would be Mythical afI can say I was there from the beginning for the whole ride
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ProphetIf Nadal or Djokovic break the Slam record, prettier backhands and bigger endorsements will become more important.
As bad as Federer allegedly is it’s amazing how he continues to live rent free in the heads of Djokdal fans. They can’t stop talking about him and obsessing over him.
And the worst haters are all Fed Fans... I mean I have seen in youtube and twitter Fedfans with a level of hate towards Rafa, Nole or Both of them to a level I have never seen in the other two..As bad as Federer allegedly is it’s amazing how he continues to live rent free in the heads of Djokdal fans. They can’t stop talking about him and obsessing over him.
So does the record mean nothing now?As bad as Federer allegedly is it’s amazing how he continues to live rent free in the heads of Djokdal fans. They can’t stop talking about him and obsessing over him.
So does the record mean nothing now?
Correct.So does the record mean nothing now?
And the worst haters are all Fed Fans... I mean I have seen in youtube and twitter Fedfans with a level of hate towards Rafa, Nole or Both of them to a level I have never seen in the other two..
Fed has won 33 titles since 2012. You think this diminishes his legacy somehow?Fed fans might have had an argument if Federer had left the game graciously after winning Wimbledon in 2012! Hanging on, picking up 3 more majors over the next decade couldn't possibly help his legacy! Two players have had their way with Roger and his records are disappearing!![]()
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I’m a Fed fan and this thread makes no sense to me.As bad as Federer allegedly is it’s amazing how he continues to live rent free in the heads of Djokdal fans. They can’t stop talking about him and obsessing over him.
Well, it was never about numbers to begin with. What Federer has done for tennis can never be matched by Nadal or Djokovic.
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convenient.Correct.
Fed has won 33 titles since 2012. You think this diminishes his legacy somehow?
Lmao. Imagine thinking 33 titles somehow hurts a legacy.Unfortunately, of those 33 titles (if right), only 3 of them were Majors! That's what hurts him! A few Masters and NO YEC Chp. added to his resume! Sorry!![]()
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Lmao. Imagine thinking 33 titles somehow hurts a legacy.
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Yes he should have retired a decade ago to “protect his legacy.” What a cogent thought.You're kidding right? Stocking up on 250's and 500's to get close to Connors titlle #'s was almost embarrassing for someone who thinks he's the GOAT! Please!![]()
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Yes he should have retired a decade ago to “protect his legacy.” What a cogent thought.
Hehehehe, tell us more, pleaseI’m sure not many thought Sampras’s record would get broken (or at least not so soon after he retired). IF Nadal breaks Federer’s record while Federer is still playing and then Djokovic does the same soon after does it become meaningless? If one guy dominates like this you can argue he’s just a phenom and a freak. When three guys are doing it at the same time doesn‘t it signal the tour is weak and there’s a real lack of competition? It’s not good for the sport when going into a slam (or just about any tournament) you’re 99.9% certain one of three players will win it. Honestly the best thing that could happen to the sport in 2020 is if none of the big three win a slam. We need a changing of the guard. The sport is too predictable and boring right now.
Why are you so hurt? Fed is still greater player than Rafa, and he will arguably remain so, even if Nadal wins RG2022.As bad as Federer allegedly is it’s amazing how he continues to live rent free in the heads of Djokdal fans. They can’t stop talking about him and obsessing over him.
Too many words and you must be a boomer with all dem emojis. Calm down.There are others who say "a mystery would still be alive" if Fed had retired at 17 Majors! He hung around for over 5 years to begin his run to make 20! IMO it just wasn't worth it when it comes to his legacy! As I said before, Pete retired and held the moniker of GOAT for a little over 8 years! We see what's happened to Roger over these last few years and it just hasn't been pretty! The last indignity being to drop that Wimbledon '19 Final! It just makes historian bring up the 2 USO SF's lost with a couple MP's! You have to admit, for an ordinary player, the record for this last decade is HOF noteworthy, but I think this puts a dent in the scenario when people think back! Nadovic have handled him time and time again! He doesn't have a H2H positive record when it comes to these 2! Just a thought, though crazy as some might say! The thing is I go back to the days of Court and Laver and their legend has been set for the time spent in the game, ALL thumbs up! Roger was on a pedestal on high! It was well deserved, but he didn't keep up with the top 2 the last 10 years! Though he kept his domination of all "also rans!" Making that FO SF a few years ago shows the NG are still struggling to assert itself! Nole and Rafa still rule going on AARP!![]()
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Too many words and you must be a boomer with all dem emojis. Calm down.
Federer retiring in 2012 or 2013 would leave an enormous hole in tennis. Let's not forget who contested some of the most memorable and important matches of the last 10 years, added hours and hours of quality tennis and highlight reels, to watch, and, of course, won a lot and stayed at the very top practically all those years until 2019. This was not the most prolific period of Roger's career, but it is a significant one. It proved him to be in a different class of champions who combined insane peak domination with amazing longevity. I remember, like it was yesterday, when in Cincy 2015 he said "We have a few more years". Him being 34, how big of a deal that was and him delivering on the promise, despite going through a serious injury is amazing.There are others who say "a mystery would still be alive" if Fed had retired at 17 Majors! He hung around for over 5 years to begin his run to make 20! IMO it just wasn't worth it when it comes to his legacy! As I said before, Pete retired and held the moniker of GOAT for a little over 8 years! We see what's happened to Roger over these last few years and it just hasn't been pretty! The last indignity being to drop that Wimbledon '19 Final! It just makes historians bring up the 2 USO SF's lost with a couple MP's! You have to admit, for an ordinary player, the record for this last decade is HOF noteworthy, but I think this puts a dent in the scenario when people think back! Nadovic have handled him time and time again! He doesn't have a H2H positive record when it comes to these 2! Just a thought, though crazy as some might say! The thing is I go back to the days of Court and Laver and their legend has been set for the time spent in the game, ALL thumbs up! Roger was on a pedestal on high! It was well deserved, but he didn't keep up with the top 2 the last 10 years! Though he kept his domination of all "also rans!" Making that FO SF a few years ago shows the NG are still struggling to assert itself! Nole and Rafa still rule going on AARP!![]()
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I don’t think people know what you’re saying either way.If I shorthand it, people act like they don't know what I'm saying! I spelled it out for the impaired!![]()
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I don’t think people know what you’re saying either way.
Some people need to stop measuring Federer only by the losses, ignoring the talent and effort that enabled Roger to accomplish so much past his physical prime with two younger ATGs in the mix.
Aside from your reply not being relevant to the point I was making, it is just misleading to say Federer "couldn't win much" between 26-31 years old when Roger won 6 Slams and made 5 additional Slam finals in that period. Who apart from Djokovic did better in the same age?Well it's not the post physical prime that hurt Fed's slam total but it's 8-13 period where he couldn't win much and don't think those loses were due to his rivals being younger than him. 26-31 is not old in modern terms by any means.
Laver won the Grand Slam when he was 31. He won 8 pro-slams and 5 out of 7 OE slams from 26-31.Aside from your reply not being relevant to the point I was making, it is just misleading to say Federer "couldn't win much" between 26-31 years old when Roger won 6 Slams and made 5 additional Slam finals in that period. Who apart from Djokovic did better in the same age?
Laver, yes. Anyone else? If not, that would make a grand total of two tennis champions winning more than Federer around that age. As I said, it is misleading to say Roger couldn't win much at 26-31 years old. It was only not much by his insane standards.Laver won the Grand Slam when he was 31. He won 8 pro-slams and 5 out of 7 OE slams from 26-31.
Tilden won 8 out of the 9 slams he entered from age 26-31.Laver, yes. Anyone else? If not, that would make a grand total of two tennis champions winning more than Federer around that age.
Aside from your reply not being relevant to the point I was making, it is just misleading to say Federer "couldn't win much" between 26-31 years old when Roger won 6 Slams and made 5 additional Slam finals in that period. Who apart from Djokovic did better in the same age?
If Nadal or Djokovic break the Slam record, prettier backhands and bigger endorsements will become more important.
The older gen had amazing longevity. My point about Federer still stands.Tilden won 8 out of the 9 slams he entered from age 26-31.
Aside from your reply not being relevant to the point I was making, it is just misleading to say Federer "couldn't win much" between 26-31 years old when Roger won 6 Slams and made 5 additional Slam finals in that period. Who apart from Djokovic did better in the same age?
Lendl won 6 slams from 26-31.The older gen had amazing longevity. My point about Federer still stands.
Very good numbers. He should have been more competitive in this period. If he had won more then Novak would have probably won fewer slams. Maybe even Nadal by 1-2. Then the slam race would still be a 3 horse race. Now it is just about how much further Rafa and Novak get.Roger Federer destroyed his legacy by winning 1 slam in 27 attempts from age 28-35, a complete failure he was, did not change his racquet, even lost at his fav hunting ground (probably the fastest HC in the world) Cincinnati to Nadal, allowed both rivals to overtake him!
Slams won between ages 28-35
Novak Djokovic - 11 and counting
Nadal - 7
Agassi - 5
Federer - 1 ? (2010FO to 2016USO) .. or maybe 2 if we include 2010AO as well.
He lost the slams race because of this.
Lendl won 6 slams from 26-31.
Very good numbers. He should have been more competitive in this period. If he had won more then Novak would have probably won fewer slams. Maybe even Nadal by 1-2. Then the slam race would still be a 3 horse race. Now it is just about how much further Rafa and Novak get.
Good points. Totally agree that only he was challenging Novak in 2011. Nadal was clearly struggling against Novak and it took him until 2013 USO to make a notable comeback.Yes, after he recovered from Mono in 08 clearly the field had become stronger, Nadal belted him at FO08, then exploited that to win Wimbledon, then beat him again at AO09, at this point in life Federer should have understood that he was in his late 20s and winning on serve+forehand alone was over, the backhand was a big issue and he needed more power on his racquet.
He should have decided that by the end of the year 2009 he will change his racquet no matter what to address the Nadal issue which was getting worse and worse every year, nature was "kind" to him in 09 as he won FO and then somehow beat Roddick at wimbledon, then he again lost to Del Potro, this was another signal that change your racquet.
He refused, he could have easily tried his new racquet at the AO 2010, he would still have beaten Murray, even if he lost it then I am sure he would have taken wimbledon, perhaps could have even had a shot at 2010USO, he would have clearly beaten Novak and it would have been Nadal standing in his way.
2011 as we know it was Federer who actually had a shot at stopping Djokovic in slams, Nadal was clearly helpless, Federer again with his new racquet could have taken W + USO ..... Nobody could have stopped him, not even Nadal
He changed his racquet by the end of 2013, LOL, too late, he had already become a loser at that point, he did not realize because he had 17 slams and thought it was a big number, but it was not, in the homogeneous era the equivalent of Sampras's 14 was now 24-25, Federer failed to understand this.
He should have known from the slam counts of the ladies that 20+ was coming, he had to reach 20 by 2013 to have a shot at adding more later on, he failed clearly.
2008-2013 he won 6 slams? 2008 us open , 2009 FO, 2009 Wimbledon , 2010 Ao , 2012 Wimbledon , it's a total of 5 slams and here he lost Most of the slams to his main rivals and it made the difference, had he stopped them in even 2 slams he would be sitting on 22. Btw Nadal from a period of 2013to 2018 Won 6 slams and he stopped Djokovic in 2013 USO ,2013FO , 2014 FO , something Fed couldn't do to Nadal and it has nothing to do with him being old . He won those 6 slams and was lucky to not meet Nadal in most of them.
I said Federer won 6 between 26-31 years old, which is the age bracket you specified. Didn't fit your narrative unfortunately, I understand. And of course you found some context for how amazing Nadal was as opposed to Federer's "couldn win much" when Federer actually had better Slam results at the same age.Even Nadal won 6 slams even though he had a slump of 2 years .
I said Federer won 6 between 26-31 years old, which is the age bracket you specified. Didn't fit your narrative unfortunately, I understand. And of course you found some context for how amazing Nadal was as opposed to Federer's "couldn win much" when Federer actually had better Slam results at the same age.
It's the "I don't care about GOATs but will do the utmost to prop up Nadal and diminish Federer's achievements" for me. The genuine hypocrisy is probably worse than stupid trolling.
Good points. Totally agree that only he was challenging Novak in 2011. Nadal was clearly struggling against Novak and it took him until 2013 USO to make a notable comeback.
It is actually surprising that he took so long to change the racquet even though everyone thought it was the obvious thing to do. Maybe some of the blame lies on his coach/ team as well. Nonetheless now we are left with the possibility that he ends up a distant 3rd despite being dominant for so many years and having such a beautiful game.
He was not old, no. But 2008 was the year he started visibly struggling with his form throughout the season, which was in start contrast to the 4 previous years. If you want to argue his form didn't drop and he started losing to players he routinely beat in the past because of his main rivals, be my guest.Okay let's put it that way he couldn't stop his main rivals from 2008-2013 ,i am sure just change of few months made fed Old but can you tell us why could Fed not best his main rivals and stop them in a single slam during 2008-2031? was he old ?
Well, i don't need to prop up Nadal or Djokovic since they have surpassed Fed and will win atleast 22-25 slams .
He was not old, no. But 2008 was the year he started visibly struggling with his form throughout the season, which was in start contrast to the 4 previous years. If you want to argue his form didn't drop and he started losing to players he routinely beat in the past because of his main rivals, be my guest.
In 2009 Federer lost the AO final to Nadal in an tough 5-setter, I don't see it as damning loss because Nadal playes one of his best AO matches.
2010 again some unusual Slam results across the board. Again, the drop in form that had little to do with playing Djokodal.
2011 was a very good prime year. That's where the amazing rival competition came in to spoil the results. Still Federer did stop Djokovic who entered the Punisher mode and then was a point away from stopping him two times. Quite a feat as a Rafa fan would know.
2012 was a very solid year, more positives from that than negatives. Really not much to explain because Federer had great results, clear second only to Djokovic who he beat for the Wimbledon title. The loss to Nadal at the AO was not egrigious at all. Roger was playing well enough, Nadal was simply better. It happens to the best of them.
2013 doesn't need any comments.
I'm glad for you, now that you get to boast you fave's Slam record. It is a great feeling. But think twice before you decide to be a hypocrite and make BS claims about Federer, because on this forum there are plenty of posters to call you out, and that's probably not a great feeling.
I'm not going to call out everyone on this forum, that's impossible. You replied to my post and I replied back. Calling you names? If the shoe fits.![]()
Well, he also struggled in 2007 Wimbledon final and clutched it out in the fifth set while Nadal played better off ground. Also, he reached Wimbledon 2008 without losing a set . Well, you can be as angry as you want and call me names but it's true he didn't stop his main rivals during 2008-2013 period except 2012 Wimbledon and this is where it hurts him the most. As for he declined , interestingly enough he was back to his winning ways in 2009 fo, Wimbledon, australian open when he didn't have to face Nadali am not concerned about those posters since they are all Abmk and the likes. I am boasting slam record ? May be on internet forums for decade your fan base did this thing but that was cute , no ? now, go call out posters in this thread who ridiculed Nadal's chances of winning 20+ . No, you won't call them out since they are all fed fans. How dare we even tell them that they were wrong ? Now, shun the hypocrisy and call out your fan base.
Please, there is so much Fed hate on every social media platform too.And the worst haters are all Fed Fans... I mean I have seen in youtube and twitter Fedfans with a level of hate towards Rafa, Nole or Both of them to a level I have never seen in the other two..