If Nadal-Federer played in the Agassi-Sampras Era...

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How many slams would each respective player win?

Say 10 years and 40 slams in total.

Agassi: 3 AO + 1 USO = 4

Sampras: 1 AO + 4 Wimby + 3 USO = 8

Nadal: 2 AO + 7 FO + 1 Wimby + 1 USO = 11

Federer: 4 AO + 3 FO + 5 Wimby + 5 USO = 17

Sounds about right?

Maybe if Wimbledon was played on the old fast grass Nadal would win none while Sampras takes a couple more?
 
Where are you pulling these numbers out of?

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How many slams would each respective player win?

Say 10 years and 40 slams in total.

Agassi: 3 AO + 1 USO = 4

Sampras: 1 AO + 4 Wimby + 3 USO = 8

Nadal: 2 AO + 7 FO + 1 Wimby + 1 USO = 11

Federer: 4 AO + 3 FO + 5 Wimby + 5 USO = 17

Sounds about right?

Maybe if Wimbledon was played on the old fast grass Nadal would win none while Sampras takes a couple more?

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Federer winning 5 Wimbledons in Sampras' era. LOL, Fedclown back to spouting gibberish. Nothing surprising there!

How many slams would each respective player win?

Federer: 4 AO + 3 FO + 5 Wimby + 5 USO = 17

Sounds about right?

Maybe if Wimbledon was played on the old fast grass Nadal would win none while Sampras takes a couple more?
 
looks like clown sampras fanboy needs a history lesson...

Federer winning 5 Wimbledons in Sampras' era. LOL, Fedclown back to spouting gibberish. Nothing surprising there!


2001 Wimbledon Federer d. Sampras
7-6(7), 5-7, 6-4, 6-7(2), 7-5
 
I'll play, and assume 5 years fast grass, 5 years slow grass. I'll also assume they are the top four seeds in each tournament (no playing each other before the semis).

Agassi - 3 AO + 0 FO + 2 W + 1 USO = 6
Sampras - 1 AO + 0 FO + 4 W + 3 USO = 8
Federer - 4 AO + 1 FO + 3 W + 5 USO = 13
Nadal - 2 AO + 9 FO + 1 W + 1 USO = 13

We have already seen Nadal's dominance at Roland Garros, and neither Agassi nor Sampras can lick Fed's boots on a clay court. Fed would be most successful at both Australia and the US. All Sampras' Wimbledons would come on the fast grass with Agassi picking up the other, plus one of the slower grass wins.

I am not saying that Nadal is better than Sampras, merely that the French is a massive boon to Nadal and a banana skin for Sampras.
 
Look you stupid *******, now I'm a fanboy of someone that can't take his lips off Federer's a*rse?! LOL, next you'll be telling me that I'm a secret Federer fan as well, with Federer posters on my bedroom walls. LOL!

looks like clown sampras fanboy needs a history lesson...

2001 Wimbledon Federer d. Sampras
7-6(7), 5-7, 6-4, 6-7(2), 7-5
 
I wont guess the final career tallies as I would need to see Federer and Nadal play into much older age to access them vs an older Agassi who won 5 of his 8 slams at age 29 or older.

However if they all were born in the same year and were currently ending a year in which each turned 28 mid year my guess would be:

Federer- 3 Australian Opens, 1 French Open, 2 Wimbledons, 4 U.S Opens
Agassi- 1 Australian Open, 0 French Opens, 0 Wimbledons, 0 U.S Opens
Nadal- 1 Australian Open, 7 French Opens, 1 Wimbledon, 1 U.S Open
Sampras- 2 Australian Opens, 0 French Opens, 4 Wimbledons, 4 U.S Opens.


Even prime Agassi wouldnt match up well with Federer on any surface. He would beat him occasionaly on hard courts, the way he pushed him occasionaly even in old age, but would still most times lose. Probably always lose on grass, almost always on clay. Sampras of course owned Agassi on any faster surface, and I personally would favor the 94 and 97 version of Sampras over any Agassi at the Australian Open. And Agassi would have a nightmare time vs Nadal on clay or grass and even have trouble with him on hard courts. So I see him virtually shut out to this point. Given his inconsistency in his traditional prime age years his odds of taking advantage of avoiding Sampras, Federer, and Nadal on the right surfaces would be diminshed too.

I dont see Nadal matching up too well with Sampras except on clay of course. I would favor Nadal vs Federer on grass by a bit in a head to head, but Federer would have much more shot against Sampras than Nadal would. I see him getting a U.S Open by 28 if he has a year he both hits a great run of form like this year and avoids Sampras (who I feel he wouldnt beat on such a court), and an especialy in form version of Federer and Agassi.

Federer and Sampras would be pretty evenly matched on hard courts. Sampras would be favored on grass, Federer of course on clay.

And in case anyone thinks I am harsh on Agassi, Agassi as it was at age 28 had only 3 slams even without Federer and Nadal. I am not going to evaluate beyond that until I see how Federer ages further and how Nadal begins to age.
 
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Agassi wouldn't have won 1 slam.

you are talking about the man who almost invented the baseline game and carry it to perfection... Nadal would still be playing serve and volley if there wasn't for Andre. So little respect for him?
 
Agassi wouldn't have won 1 slam.

Novak won the Aus and made the finals of US during the Fed / Nadal era and people are predicting him to start winning some slams. Agassi was a far better fast court baseliner than Novak. He would have definitely racked up a few. However, to match anybody against Nadal, Fed and Sampras, arguably the top 3 greatest players ever, is not really fair to anybody.
 
I am a huge AA fan but if Nadal-Fed played, it's highly unlikely AA would have won more than 1-2 GS. Sampras would have been a nobody as well. AA would not be able to sustain long rallies w/Nadal or Fed, he'd get moved around but his hardest groundstrokes would be about a 7-8/10 compared to how Fed-Nadal hit.

AA's serve was not a weapon and Fed-Nadal are in an era where top 20 guys bang out 120-130mph so they would tool on AA's serve all day. AA had the best return of serve so not as many free points but then again, Nadal and Fed dont get a whole lot of free points given that their era has plenty of solid serve returners. When u are a top 20+ player you're facing serious serve heat in most matches these days so again, AA would be very ordinary compared to those guys in my opinion.

Sampras would also be a nobody. He had a great serve in his era which got him way more free points than what comparable servers in today's era get. So he'd dial in the 128 mph and it would get blasted right back at him. Also, Sampras would never be able to sustain the types of rallies they have at the upper level today.

Fed and Nadal would know Sampras HAS to get to net to win so they would grind him and keep him back at the baseline.
 
I am a huge AA fan but if Nadal-Fed played, it's highly unlikely AA would have won more than 1-2 GS. Sampras would have been a nobody as well. AA would not be able to sustain long rallies w/Nadal or Fed, he'd get moved around but his hardest groundstrokes would be about a 7-8/10 compared to how Fed-Nadal hit.

AA's serve was not a weapon and Fed-Nadal are in an era where top 20 guys bang out 120-130mph so they would tool on AA's serve all day. AA had the best return of serve so not as many free points but then again, Nadal and Fed dont get a whole lot of free points given that their era has plenty of solid serve returners. When u are a top 20+ player you're facing serious serve heat in most matches these days so again, AA would be very ordinary compared to those guys in my opinion.

Sampras would also be a nobody. He had a great serve in his era which got him way more free points than what comparable servers in today's era get. So he'd dial in the 128 mph and it would get blasted right back at him. Also, Sampras would never be able to sustain the types of rallies they have at the upper level today.

Fed and Nadal would know Sampras HAS to get to net to win so they would grind him and keep him back at the baseline.

Were you born in 99 when you say such stupid things???

Have you ever watched Agassi vs Fed let's say US open 2005? Look at his strokes he has better 2HB than Djoker and Nadal together...
His only weakness was his serve (and volleys but who cares for that today)
 
I am a huge AA fan but if Nadal-Fed played, it's highly unlikely AA would have won more than 1-2 GS. Sampras would have been a nobody as well. AA would not be able to sustain long rallies w/Nadal or Fed, he'd get moved around but his hardest groundstrokes would be about a 7-8/10 compared to how Fed-Nadal hit.

AA's serve was not a weapon and Fed-Nadal are in an era where top 20 guys bang out 120-130mph so they would tool on AA's serve all day. AA had the best return of serve so not as many free points but then again, Nadal and Fed dont get a whole lot of free points given that their era has plenty of solid serve returners. When u are a top 20+ player you're facing serious serve heat in most matches these days so again, AA would be very ordinary compared to those guys in my opinion.

Sampras would also be a nobody. He had a great serve in his era which got him way more free points than what comparable servers in today's era get. So he'd dial in the 128 mph and it would get blasted right back at him. Also, Sampras would never be able to sustain the types of rallies they have at the upper level today.

Fed and Nadal would know Sampras HAS to get to net to win so they would grind him and keep him back at the baseline.

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Novak won the Aus and made the finals of US during the Fed / Nadal era and people are predicting him to start winning some slams. Agassi was a far better fast court baseliner than Novak. He would have definitely racked up a few. However, to match anybody against Nadal, Fed and Sampras, arguably the top 3 greatest players ever, is not really fair to anybody.

Djokovic is far quicker than Agassi and plays much better defense. For that reason he is able to frusterate Federer into errors on his not totally "on" days and able to hang in longer rallies with Nadal. Things that are neccessary vs those two players, especialy as avoiding having to play defense or being moved around against Federer or Nadal is an impossability even if you are Agassi. Djokovic of 2007-2008/2009 also had a much stronger 1st serve than Agassi, he has lost his old serve gradually over time though which is why he is much less of a threat now.

However in reality Djokovic has not been a big slam threat to the Federer/Nadal reign at all. He has only beaten Federer or Nadal twice combined in a slam. I believe the combined Slam head to head now is 2-11. He has made all of 3 slam finals in that time, winning 1 vs Tsonga in the final and losing the other 2 to Federer or Nadal. Agassi's peaks before turning 29 came and went like the sea. Atleast 70% of the time in his 20s he was playing worse than the Djokovic of the last 4 years who has remained a solid top 3 performer, although 94-95 Agassi is obviously much better than Djokovic, and even probably 99, 2001-2002 Agassi.

And while it was an older Agassi keep in mind he went 0-9 vs Federer and Nadal in 2003-2005, even though he was still competitive vs all the other top players. That despite the luxury of all the matches being on hard courts.

The biggest problem Agassi would have had is his chances for slams would have almost been limited exclusively to the Australian Open. Look at the others:

French Open- Not a chance as he would have no hope vs Nadal, and Federer is even clearly superior overall on this surface if something happens to Nadal. And if we are presuming in Sampras's time I guess we still have Muster, Kuerten, and Courier too. Agassi barely managed to eke out 1 French Open as it was, imagine adding Nadal and Federer to the mix on top of that, LOL!.

Wimbledon- Not a chance with Sampras, Federer, and even Nadal so strong. As it was he barely eked out 1 title here, just like the French, so imagine adding Federer and Nadal now.

U.S Open- He couldnt beat Sampras here once in 4 attempts, so add Federer in as well, and his general inconsistency, and he would be hard pressed to have the right series of events come together to even win one.

And at the Australian Open Federer himself is a beast, Nadal might prove to be one with time, and
Sampras was very underrated based on his 0-2 vs Agassi there when not near his best in either match he was still very competitive and one imparticular nearly won. And if we presume Agassi choosing to still not play there until 25 and with the deeper pool of greats he is complicating his situation even more.
 
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Djokovic is far quicker than Agassi and plays much better defense. For that reason he is able to frusterate Federer into errors on his not totally "on" days and able to hang in longer rallies with Nadal. Things that are neccessary vs those two players, especialy as avoiding having to play defense or being moved around against Federer or Nadal is an impossability even if you are Agassi. Djokovic of 2007-2008/2009 also had a much stronger 1st serve than Agassi, he has lost his old serve gradually over time though which is why he is much less of a threat now.

He still has only beaten Federer or Nadal once in a slam though and was lucky to peak for a slam that someone took one out and the other was sick and out of sorts. Agassi's peaks before turning 29 came and went like the sea. Atleast 70% of the time in his 20s he was playing worse than the Djokovic of the last 4 years who has remained a solid top 3 performer, although 94-95 Agassi is obviously much better than Djokovic, and even probably 99, 2001-2002 Agassi.

And while it was an older Agassi keep in mind he went 0-9 vs Federer and Nadal in 2003-2005, even though he was still competitive vs all the other top players. That despite the luxury of all the matches being on hard courts.

So in your view Djokovic is a better player than Agassi?!
 
So in your view Djokovic is a better player than Agassi?!

No but he might match up better vs Federer or Nadal than Agassi would. You need to be very fast and play great defense to be competitive with Federer and Nadal on a regular basis. Agassi wasnt and didnt and Djokovic was and does, already one key difference. Courier wasnt a better player than Agassi but it didnt stop him from owning Agassi in head to head, particularly during Courier's good years.

And as I said Djokovic has done hardly any damage to the Federer-Nadal reign at all. 1 slam win when Federer was sick and out of sorts, and Nadal was out in the semis. He didnt even beat Federer and Nadal back to back to win his only slam and I doubt he ever will win a slam that way.
 
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you are talking about the man who almost invented the baseline game and carry it to perfection... Nadal would still be playing serve and volley if there wasn't for Andre. So little respect for him?

Now now. What makes you say these ridiculously exaggerated things? Agassi almost invented the baseline game? Carry it to perfection? Was he even the best in his era from the baseline? Don't forget, too, that in his era the surface camps were highly polarized.
 
Now now. What makes you say these ridiculously exaggerated things? Agassi almost invented the baseline game? Carry it to perfection? Was he even the best in his era from the baseline? Don't forget, too, that in his era the surface camps were highly polarized.

It is actually interesting to look at Agassi's head to heads vs the best baseliners he has played:

vs Roger Federer: 3-8 (8 match losing streak)
vs Ivan Lendl: 2-6 (6 match losing streak)
vs Jim Courier: 5-7 (6 match losing streak)
vs Lleyton Hewitt: 4-4 (3 match losing streak)

Not exactly great particularly considering his achivements as a player vs Courier and Hewitt. He was 7-4 vs Kuerten but never played him on clay, the only surface Kuerten was considered a great player on. And for anyone that wants to reference prime Agassi please tell me what period you consider "prime" Agassi anyhow.
 
Look you stupid *******, now I'm a fanboy of someone that can't take his lips off Federer's a*rse?! LOL, next you'll be telling me that I'm a secret Federer fan as well, with Federer posters on my bedroom walls. LOL!
I have Federer posters on my bedroom walls. When girls come over they see Fed's nose and they become very scared. Then they want me to hug them, and a few minutes later nature is taking its course. HEHEHEHEHE. I call it the Federer Grand Slam. :)
 
you are talking about the man who almost invented the baseline game and carry it to perfection... Nadal would still be playing serve and volley if there wasn't for Andre. So little respect for him?

Rafa owes more to Sergi Bruguera than to Agassi... All modern Spanish players are indebted to Bruguera.
 
Sampras is a horrible match up for Nadal...

His serve and his quickness at the net, would throw Nadal off...

I agree. Sampras would be a far worse matchup for Nadal than Federer. The good thing for Nadal is he would never have to worry about Sampras on clay (the few times Sampras would get that far), and even if they played on clay he still wouldnt have to worry since I cant imagine Sampras doing anything vs Nadal on clay other than maybe taking a set on a zone day. The other surfaces, especialy Wimbledon and the U.S Open, Sampras would be a nightmare for Nadal. The good news for Nadal is that Agassi or Federer could take Sampras out in Australia, and Federer could even take him out at Wimbledon and the U.S Open, so he might not have to beat Sampras everytime for the title.

I actually think Agassi could even be a worse matchup for Nadal than Federer. However Federer would probably still be the tougher opponent on clay or grass, just since he is so superior to Agassi IMHO on both surfaces. Not that Agassi wasnt an excellent grass and clay courter but he certainly wasnt even close to dominant on either. He wasnt even that good a bet to make the semis year in and year out.
 
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I agree. Sampras would be a far worse matchup for Nadal than Federer. The good thing for Nadal is he would never have to worry about Sampras on clay (the few times Sampras would get that far), and even if they played on clay he still wouldnt have to worry since I cant imagine Sampras doing anything vs Nadal on clay other than maybe taking a set on a zone day. The other surfaces, especialy Wimbledon and the U.S Open, Sampras would be a nightmare for Nadal. The good news for Nadal is that Agassi or Federer could take Sampras out in Australia, and Federer could even take him out at Wimbledon and the U.S Open, so he might not have to beat Sampras everytime for the title.

I actually think Agassi could even be a worse matchup for Nadal than Federer. However Federer would probably still be the tougher opponent on clay or grass, just since he is so superior to Agassi IMHO on both surfaces. Not that Agassi wasnt an excellent grass and clay courter but he certainly wasnt even close to dominant on either. He wasnt even that good a bet to make the semis year in and year out.


Pete would beat Federer, Andre at Wimbledon. US Open its pretty close. Australia would be a toss up between Andre and Roger. But Pete can hang with them on a slower surface.

Andre would handle Nadal's forehand to his backhand very well. (Andre's backahnd is one of the greatest BH of all time) Fed, well, he's Fed.

Nadal vs Sampras on HC, Grass really wouldn't be fun. Sampras's serve is a cut above the rest...

Clay same thing... Nadal kills Sampras.
 
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Why stop with Nadal, Federer, Sampras and Agassi? Why not put all other legends and then have a discussion. When we are discussing something that we will never know, might as well include all 10-15 all time greats and put them in one era, and then spout some nonsense like they were some facts.
 
Why stop with Nadal, Federer, Sampras and Agassi? Why not put all other legends and then have a discussion. When we are discussing something that we will never know, might as well include all 10-15 all time greats and put them in one era, and then spout some nonsense like they were some facts.



I completely understnad your point, but its fun to speculate... :)
 
I am a huge AA fan but if Nadal-Fed played, it's highly unlikely AA would have won more than 1-2 GS. Sampras would have been a nobody as well. AA would not be able to sustain long rallies w/Nadal or Fed, he'd get moved around but his hardest groundstrokes would be about a 7-8/10 compared to how Fed-Nadal hit.

AA's serve was not a weapon and Fed-Nadal are in an era where top 20 guys bang out 120-130mph so they would tool on AA's serve all day. AA had the best return of serve so not as many free points but then again, Nadal and Fed dont get a whole lot of free points given that their era has plenty of solid serve returners. When u are a top 20+ player you're facing serious serve heat in most matches these days so again, AA would be very ordinary compared to those guys in my opinion.

Sampras would also be a nobody. He had a great serve in his era which got him way more free points than what comparable servers in today's era get. So he'd dial in the 128 mph and it would get blasted right back at him. Also, Sampras would never be able to sustain the types of rallies they have at the upper level today.

Fed and Nadal would know Sampras HAS to get to net to win so they would grind him and keep him back at the baseline
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Sampras's FH is one of the best shots ever and the running FH, come on. Even Andre didn't like to hit to Pete's FH because his FH can be a bullet..

Sampras's serve had power AND placement (better than anyone today) would throw Fed, Nadal off. Ask Andre, the greatest returner of all time about Pete's serve.

And.... Sampras's S&V would throw Nadal right off, you watch Joker play S&V and won some points vs Rafa. Sampras is 100% times better than Joker at S&V...

And Andre did all he could given the fact he wasn't the best mover, I mean imagine Andre with Fed's movement....
 
Nadal might come out best in the scenario for those who think all 4 would be close and winning slams (some dont think AA would have been a big factor of course it seems). After all the French is almost a lock amongst this group. Federer is little threat to him there, Agassi would be even less most likely, and Sampras none at all. So he wins the French almost every year, that is almost a quarter of the slams already. So if he just wins the occasional slam at the others, that could already be the most to have the most of the 4 to those who think Agassi could take hard court slams from Federer and Sampras.
 
Nadal might come out best in the scenario for those who think all 4 would be close and winning slams (some dont think AA would have been a big factor of course it seems). After all the French is almost a lock amongst this group. Federer is little threat to him there, Agassi would be even less most likely, and Sampras none at all. So he wins the French almost every year, that is almost a quarter of the slams already. So if he just wins the occasional slam at the others, that could already be the most to have the most of the 4 to those who think Agassi could take hard court slams from Federer and Sampras.

Nadal would never win Wimbledon with Pete there on vintage grass.
 
Nadal would never win Wimbledon with Pete there on vintage grass.

He wouldnt neccessarily have to in order to have a chance of having the most slams. He probably wins the French every year except one year he is injured or upset (eg- like last year). None of Federer, Agassi, and Sampras can beat him there, we already have seen Federer cant and never will, and even less likely the other 2 could. So we are already comparing 4 guys (with other players in the field of course, lol) and he has almost a quarter of the slams already. So if he wins a few hard court slams (not easy vs this trio all combined but possible) that could already be enough to give him the lead.

And while I agree Nadal would not beat Sampras at Wimbledon it is possible Federer could and probably would a couple times, and if that happens we know Nadal can beat Federer if they play so...
 
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He wouldnt neccessarily have to in order to have a chance of having the most slams. He probably wins the French every year except one year he is injured or upset (eg- like last year). None of Federer, Agassi, and Sampras can beat him there, we already have seen Federer cant and never will, and even less likely the other 2 could. So if he wins a few hard court slams (not easy vs this trio all combined but possible) that could already be enough to give him the lead.

And while I agree Nadal would not beat Sampras at Wimbledon it is possible Federer could and probably would a couple times, and if that happens we know Nadal can beat Federer if they play so...


I think Fed still wins the most slams out of these 4. Fed can play S&V pretty good, Andre (never ever saw him try) Nadal (too risky for him to try it).
 
I think Fed still wins the most slams out of these 4. Fed can play S&V pretty good, Andre (never ever saw him try) Nadal (too risky for him to try it).

The problem Federer would have is there is probably no surface he would be totally dominant on now. Sampras would be about his equal at the U.S Open possibly, and Agassi also a threat, and even Nadal should he meet Roger just due to the matchup. On rebound ace Agassi and possibly Nadal (we will have a better idea after seeing Nadal's future progress there) would be real rivals. And Pete in his 94 and 97 Australian mode could possibly beat them all still. On grass we agree Pete would be the one to beat. And of course at the French it is Nadal and pretty much nothing but Nadal unless you throw in a much better clay courter than Federer, Agassi, or Sampras.
 
Sampras's FH is one of the best shots ever and the running FH, come on. Even Andre didn't like to hit to Pete's FH because his FH can be a bullet..

Sampras's serve had power AND placement (better than anyone today) would throw Fed, Nadal off. Ask Andre, the greatest returner of all time about Pete's serve.

And.... Sampras's S&V would throw Nadal right off, you watch Joker play S&V and won some points vs Rafa. Sampras is 100% times better than Joker at S&V...

And Andre did all he could given the fact he wasn't the best mover, I mean imagine Andre with Fed's movement....

And pray tell, why it didn't throw baby Fed off ? Sampras had one of his best serving days in a GS and lost to Fed @ Wimbledon, and yet you assert (based on what ?) that it *would* throw Fed off ? Yes, I know Sampras was an old man on crutches at that point ....

This is not to say that Sampras didn't have the greatest serve, which he did, but to suggest that Fed or Nadal wouldn't have a clue is ridiculous.

The way I see it most matches would go into tie-breaks between Sampras and Fed (or Fed would find a way to break), and Fed would win the tie-breaks more often that not.
 
And pray tell, why it didn't throw baby Fed off ? Sampras had one of his best serving days in a GS and lost to Fed @ Wimbledon, and yet you assert (based on what ?) that it *would* throw Fed off ? Yes, I know Sampras was an old man on crutches at that point ....

This is not to say that Sampras didn't have the greatest serve, which he did, but to suggest that Fed or Nadal wouldn't have a clue is ridiculous.

The way I see it most matches would go into tie-breaks between Sampras and Fed (or Fed would find a way to break), and Fed would win the tie-breaks more often that not.


Pete's 2nd serve is better than Fed's 2nd serve, I think that would help Pete win the tiebreaks a bit better.

I might have gone too far about the throwing Fed or Nadal off, but let's think about this.... Andre had a hard time with Pete's serve.

Are Fed and Nadal better returners than Andre? I don't think so.
 
And pray tell, why it didn't throw baby Fed off ? Sampras had one of his best serving days in a GS and lost to Fed @ Wimbledon, and yet you assert (based on what ?) that it *would* throw Fed off ? Yes, I know Sampras was an old man on crutches at that point ....

This is not to say that Sampras didn't have the greatest serve, which he did, but to suggest that Fed or Nadal wouldn't have a clue is ridiculous.

The way I see it most matches would go into tie-breaks between Sampras and Fed (or Fed would find a way to break), and Fed would win the tie-breaks more often that not.

He was going on 30 years old in that Wimbledon.
 
Pete's 2nd serve is better than Fed's 2nd serve, I think that would help Pete win the tiebreaks a bit better.

I might have gone too far about the throwing Fed or Nadal off, but let's think about this.... Andre had a hard time with Pete's serve.

Are Fed and Nadal better returners than Andre? I don't think so.

It is. But Fed's ground game is better -- if Sampras didn't close a rally in 3 or 5 shots you'd have to like Fed's chances of winning those.

Nadal is still a work in progress. Given the improvements we have seen from him over the years, I think he'd give Sampras all he could handle too.
 
Are Fed and Nadal better returners than Andre? I don't think so.

Agassi definitely returned 2nd serves much better than either (Federer would be the worst here including Nadal). Returning the really huge 1st serves? Not so sure on that. Agassi actually gets aced by the biggest servers much more than nearly anyone I can think of. I definitely think Federer and Nadal would get more of Pete's 1st serves back in play than Agassi. Whether that would be effective or not who knows, especialy as Federer often just blocks or chips back huge serves he gets ahold of (vs say Roddick who is staying back) and Nadal is returning futher back often.

I actually dont think Agassi is the best returner vs the best servers. He is the best returner vs 90% of the serves but the best servers know on a great serving day they can get 40-50 aces on Agassi. It has happened many times before. And Sampras of course falls into that category.
 
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Agassi definitely returned 2nd serves much better than either (Federer would be the worst here including Nadal). Returning the really huge 1st serves? Not so sure on that. Agassi actually gets aced by the biggest servers much more than nearly anyone I can think of. I definitely think Federer and Nadal would get more of Pete's 1st serves back in play than Agassi. Whether that would be effective or not who knows, especialy as Federer often just blocks or chips back huge serves he gets ahold of (vs say Roddick who is staying back) and Nadal is returning futher back often.

I actually dont think Agassi is the best returner vs the best servers. He is the best returner vs 90% of the serves but the best servers know on a great serving day they can get 40-50 aces on Agassi. It has happened many times before. And Sampras of course falls into that category.

There is a lot of truth to this post. But Agassi made these servers hit as close to the lines as possible. For instance, in the 2000 Australian Open semi, Sampras hit 40 aces but you got the feeling that if Agassi got a racquet on the ball, he had the ball on Sampras's feet. I think that match is a great example of both the best serving and the best returning ever.

Agassi also put a lot of pressure on a player to serve big on the first by crushing the seconds so often.

....I think Agassi almost liked servers coming in. I remember an interview where he said Federer was so tough to break because he stayed back and could defend off the 3rd shot so well.
 
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