If Nadal stays at 14 or 15 will hardcore Nadal fans concede GOAT status to Federer?

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Some months ago I posited the question in reverse asking at what point would Federer fanatics concede GOAT status to Nadal. The thread was taken down as people struggled to maintain their dignity, but the general consensus was that 18 would do it.

Do the diehards have the grace to acknowledge that the h2h is an accrued statistic rather than anything else if Nadal always remain two slams or more behind Federer?

Federer has nearly 1,000 match wins and 302 at world number 1. On most other statistics Federer holds a comfortable margin of safety. He is peerless.

You may think he is arrogant, you may not like him, but at what point do you don your cap and accept that he is the better player?
 
If Nadal is not the GOAT, then there is no GOAT. Players across eras cannot be compared due to umpteen changes in the sport over time.

Wink, wink..
 
"If Nadal stays at 14 or 15."

Except Nadal is not going to stay at 14 or 15 slams. I am a Federer fan first and am realistic and have accepted that likely outcome.

Nadal is not done. All those who think he is are kidding themselves. Book it.

Did you actually see him play in the first set in the Berrer match? He looked brutally good. I don't know what happened after the first set with him but the first set tells me Nadal will be back strong.
 
"If Nadal stays at 14 or 15."

Except Nadal is not going to stay at 14 or 15 slams. I am a Federer fan first and am realistic and have accepted that likely outcome.

Nadal is not done. All those who think he is are kidding themselves. Book it.

Did you actually see him play in the first set in the Berrer match? He looked brutally good. I don't know what happened after the first set with him but the first set tells me Nadal will be back strong.

Exactly...he'll win another 3 or 4 French Opens...but won't win on any other surface. It's kinda sad that he has 9 FO, and no more than 2 in any other...it's almost like he's a one trick pony. He won't win another US...his body can't make it to September anymore...Wimbledon, if he faces any more of those tall hard hitting guys like Kyrgios or Rosol he'll never win another of those. So that leaves the AO...he might get another if Federer, Novak, and Murray all fail to make it to the final.

Not hating on the guy, I like him, he seems to be a really nice guy off the court, but I can't really say a guy that seems to only dominate on one surface is the greatest of all time.
 
If Nadal gets to 15 (especially winning the Australian giving him at least 2 slams at each venue) Nadal definitely deserves open era GOAT status when you factor in all his other accolades and domination of the guy with 17 slams.
 
Exactly...he'll win another 3 or 4 French Opens...but won't win on any other surface. It's kinda sad that he has 9 FO, and no more than 2 in any other...it's almost like he's a one trick pony. He won't win another US...his body can't make it to September anymore...Wimbledon, if he faces any more of those tall hard hitting guys like Kyrgios or Rosol he'll never win another of those. So that leaves the AO...he might get another if Federer, Novak, and Murray all fail to make it to the final.

Not hating on the guy, I like him, he seems to be a really nice guy off the court, but I can't really say a guy that seems to only dominate on one surface is the greatest of all time.

I don't agree with that. I don't think he will win 3 or 4 more FO's. I think he will win one more FO (two max) and possibly another slam or two on hc.
 
I don't agree with that. I don't think he will win 3 or 4 more FO's. I think he will win one more FO (two max) and possibly another slam or two on hc.

I would say he will either win 4-5 Slams more in next 2-3 seasons or he will not win anything, maybe one more FO. Very interesting seasons in upcoming years are waiting for the fans:)
 
Some months ago I posited the question in reverse asking at what point would Federer fanatics concede GOAT status to Nadal. The thread was taken down as people struggled to maintain their dignity, but the general consensus was that 18 would do it.
What makes you think people are going to be any more polite this time?
 
Some months ago I posited the question in reverse asking at what point would Federer fanatics concede GOAT status to Nadal. The thread was taken down as people struggled to maintain their dignity, but the general consensus was that 18 would do it.

Do the diehards have the grace to acknowledge that the h2h is an accrued statistic rather than anything else if Nadal always remain two slams or more behind Federer?

Federer has nearly 1,000 match wins and 302 at world number 1. On most other statistics Federer holds a comfortable margin of safety. He is peerless.

You may think he is arrogant, you may not like him, but at what point do you don your cap and accept that he is the better player?

Nadochists and the Nadaliban are going ape[something] over their false god's bad losses and tournament absences since June. This time he may be injured for real, with none of his past cures / "energy drinks" to avail him.

But remember that for the vast majority of them, it's their seething, all-consuming hatred of the GOAT that precedes any admiration for any other player. If Nads' h2h of Fred was the inverse of what it is, even if he'd won the same number of slams, it's virtually certain their professions of admiration would be directed elsewhere.

That's why they blindly cling to myopic stats, over-value and over-state tendentious trivia, and readily employ double standards for comparing He-Who-They-Despise to their false god.

The geyser of tears that accompanied that devastating loss to Wawrinka in Melbourne spoke volumes about Nads' mindset. Those waterworks were far more voluminous, encompassing, and significant than the tears they've endlessly basked in since 2009. Deep down they've also seen almost unbelievably good fortune smile upon their beloved in the past 4 FOs thanks to bad health in Djokovic and their beloved's unprecedented imperviousness to fatigue. Though they will invariably insist otherwise, they fear that this time they're truly staring into the abyss.

This about it . . . someone who's never repeated a year as YE #1 as the GOAT? Someone who's never defended a non-clay title? Someone who, uniquely among all great players, has never won the WTF? Someone who, off his specialty surface, has only won another slam 2x? Someone who's finished more years as #2 than #1?

Really?

But if you're driven by seething hatred of Federer, the answer is going to be "yes" to all.

It would have to be.

Just like their ultimate claim for their false god's supremacy. They keep on insisting that Fred's slams came from a "weak era" and that he's just an average chump in the right place at the right time,so his slams and stats are almost meaningless. But as for Nads, well he's the greatest because he's the guy who could consistently beat Federer.

Maybe in past eras they'd be Krajicek worshippers too. But what's telling is how, even for them, the guy they claim is a "chump" is still the yardstick. How convenient. :lol:

So since no player is ever going to be perfect, the simple question is: which tennis player holds the greatest number of records in history (by a mile)?

Google it, and whoever that person is, they're the GOAT.

Pure and simple.
 
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If Nadal stary at 14 or 15 will hardcore Nadal fans concede GOAT status to Federer?

Some months ago I posited the question in reverse asking at what point would Federer fanatics concede GOAT status to Nadal.
The thread was taken down as people struggled to maintain their dignity, but the general consensus was that 18 would do it.

YetAnotherNadalFan: exactly what is it that you NEED?
 
Right now its not debatable Djokovic is better
Career is not debatable Federer is better

Peak level of play IS debatable

Correction, peak level of play is the most irrelevant thing there is. It's relevant only for some posters here who can't cope with facts or actual ongoings and create imaginary circumstances.
 
Right now its not debatable Djokovic is better
Career is not debatable Federer is better

Peak level of play IS debatable

We all know the politician from Russia is the GOAT when it comes to peak play. Fed and Novak don't stand a chance and it is immaterial who is better out of the two.
 
Conceding that Fed is the GOAT requires me to have at one point believed that Federer isn't the closest we have to the GOAT to begin with.
 
No 100% not.

Fed can't beat GOAT. I am not saying Rafa is at all but Fed is never going to be GOAT - he got whipped too many times by his main competitor.
 
Wait, is the OP saying Federer is eligible?
You have to have a solid record versus your main rival in order to be eligible.
That's why Agassi said Nadal is greater than Federer-
http://espn.go.com/tennis/story/_/i...=1404871269795058&fb_action_types=og.comments
SINGAPORE -- Andre Agassi says Rafael Nadal should be considered the greatest tennis player ever, not Roger Federer.

Agassi made the comments in an interview with Singapore newspaper Straits Times, saying Nadal's achievements are more impressive because he has had to deal with tougher competition.

Federer has 17 Grand Slam titles to Nadal's 13, although the Spaniard leads his Swiss rival 23-10 in head-to-head meetings.

Agassi is quoted as saying that "I'd put Nadal No. 1, Federer No. 2," adding that "it's just remarkable to me what he has done, and he has done it all during Federer's prime."

"Nadal had to deal with Federer, [Novak] Djokovic, [Andy] Murray in the golden age of tennis," said Agassi, himself a former world No. 1. "He has done what he has done, and he's not done yet."
Federer lost, and continues to lose.
 
I have no doubt that they will to a man respond with something along the lines of,

"Well we've got to hand it to you, we thought our boy had the right stuff but he's just didn't have what it takes to match it with Roger over the long haul. I hereby lower my colours and concede that Federer is the greater player and I will never bring it up again as I know I will look silly trying to twist statistics to make small numbers look more impressive than bigger numbers."

Yep, that's the kind of classy move I'm certain we will see.
 
This debate will never end no matter how it finishes. Nobody will confess to anything.
 
He got special trophies for beating Roger in those finals? Or he got trophies simply for winning tournaments irrespective of who he faced?

Shabang! :)

so you think only trophies add to a players legacy? the first thing i knew about mcenroe is that he took part in the greatest match of all time. i came to know he was a 7 time major winner much later.
 
so you think only trophies add to a players legacy? the first thing i knew about mcenroe is that he took part in the greatest match of all time. i came to know he was a 7 time major winner much later.

That's fine. I'm not saying people can't notice other contingencies. But it would be weird to use such contingencies as a ground for why someone can't be GOAT. Tennis is played against the field whether one likes it or not.
 
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