If Nadal wins the Calender Year Grand Slam has he overtaken Federer already?

[HAPPYforTHEvictory]

If Nadal wins the Calender Year Grand Slam this year does that mean he's already overtaken Federer in history?

Federer will still lead the total slams 13-9 but Nadal will have something more impressive than 13 slams he will be the first man since Laver to have completed the Calender Year Grand Slam (the most difficult thing to achieve in tennis) and he will also have the Career Grand Slam, both achievements Federer has failed at

 

[shawn1122]

Nadal has a LOT of work to do before he wins a US Open, let's not get ahead of ourselves...

 

[HAPPYforTHEvictory]

Nadal has a LOT of work to do before he wins a US Open, let's not get ahead of ourselves...

He led Murray 2-0 in the 4th set of the Semi, and we know if he won that match he'd beat Federer in the Final. So do you honestly think its that far away? Take away the Olympics and he may well have been fresher. I'm thinking if Nadal wins RG and Wimbledon he will be careful about what he plays before the US Open

 

[Rhino]

Look we get it ok. You're a Nadal fan. The AO final was like tennis porn for you.
Go away, have a cold shower, maybe take some prescription Lorazepam, try breathing and mental exercises, and eventually (hopefully for us) you will calm down.

 

[NamRanger]

Nadal has a LOT of work to do before he wins a US Open, let's not get ahead of ourselves...

Supposedly he had alot of work to do before he won the AO, and he won that. He's not that far away, considering his HC abilities continue to improve every tournament, which is an absolutely ridiculous rate of improvement.

 

[HAPPYforTHEvictory]

Look we get it ok. You're a Nadal fan. The AO final was like tennis porn for you.
Go away, have a cold shower, maybe take some prescription Lorazepam, try breathing and mental exercises, and eventually (hopefully for us) you will calm down.

Just being realistic

We went through months of people saying Nadal wouldn't ever win a hardcourt slam. Time for a dose of reality

 

[shawn1122]

Murray was no where near losing that match, he was absolutely on fire. Nadal is getting closer and closer to the final, but I think the court is too fast for him to be successful on it. He's bound to run into a player thats more willing to take risks, and fast courts always reward the risk takers.

And how are you so sure he would beat Federer on such a fast hard court? I think we both know what happened the last time Federer played Nadal on a fast court

 

[HAPPYforTHEvictory]

Murray was no where near losing that match, he was absolutely on fire. Nadal is getting closer and closer to the final, but I think the court is too fast for him to be successful on it. He's bound to run into a player thats more willing to take risks, and fast courts always reward the risk takers.

And how are you so sure he would beat Federer on such a fast hard court? I think we both know what happened the last time Federer played Nadal on a fast court

He beat Djokovic on a hardcourt that was clearly faster than US Open. It was like ice, freakishly fast. btw the 1st set tie-break that Nadal lost v Murray was 4-3 Nadal, so you reverse that tie-break and you reverse the match. Plus the fact Nadal was bumped off Ashe Stadium and forced to play on Armstrong (first time he'd played on it) was something else. You have to watch the 1st set to know what I mean, the commentators were saying how that court is very differently paced compared to Ashe Stadium, and Nadal was hitting everything within a metre of the lines as if he didn't want to risk overhitting. Bottom-line, Nadal is close to making the US Open Final

 

[NamRanger]

Murray was no where near losing that match, he was absolutely on fire. Nadal is getting closer and closer to the final, but I think the court is too fast for him to be successful on it. He's bound to run into a player thats more willing to take risks, and fast courts always reward the risk takers.

And how are you so sure he would beat Federer on such a fast hard court? I think we both know what happened the last time Federer played Nadal on a fast court

Supposedly Nadal couldn't beat Federer on a HC. He couldn't beat him on grass. He couldn't beat Federer if Federer was playing his best. Come on now, don't throw excuses out. Nadal is just simply playing better than Federer at the moment.

 

[orangettecoleman]

Why stop there? let's start talking about Nadal winning 2 consecutive Calendar slams, as well as beating the 14 slam mark and winning more titles and matches than anyone in history. and after he retires with a winning record against all players, having broken all records in tennis and achieving undisputed GOAT status, he will get into swimming and win 9 gold medals in the 2020 summer olympics, after which he will become Secretary-General of the United Nations and will bring us peace in the middle east, no?

 

[shawn1122]

And I'd just like to point out that two changes in court composition definitely helped Nadal reach the success that he has today. Rebound Ace was supposedly slightly faster than the Plexicushion that the australian open switched to recently. Now its arguable that rebound ace would make Nadal's topspin shots even more lethal, but that has not been proven.

Also at wimbledon, seeing that the game was taking a turn towards being baseline oriented, the officials slowed down the grass court to accommodate this change in playing style. Back in the days of Sampras and Agassi, it would be asinine to think of Wimbledon being slower than the US Open, but that is how things are at the moment.

The remaining true fast court in the series of Grand slams is the US Open, and that is why Nadal still hasn't made a final there. I'm not saying he never will, I'm just saying that it was way more likely for him to lose to players like Djokovic and Murray on that court, so it will be difficult for him.

 

[Rhino]

Just being realistic

We went through months of people saying Nadal wouldn't ever win a hardcourt slam. Time for a dose of reality

Yeah but they were people like you. Just childish tit for tat stupidity.

 

[HAPPYforTHEvictory]

So I take that as a "y-e-s" to the thread question

 

[shawn1122]

He beat Djokovic on a hardcourt that was clearly faster than US Open. It was like ice, freakishly fast. btw the 1st set tie-break that Nadal lost v Murray was 4-3 Nadal, so you reverse that tie-break and you reverse the match. Plus the fact Nadal was bumped off Ashe Stadium and forced to play on Armstrong (first time he'd played on it) was something else. You have to watch the 1st set to know what I mean, the commentators were saying how that court is very differently paced compared to Ashe Stadium, and Nadal was hitting everything within a metre of the lines as if he didn't want to risk overhitting. Bottom-line, Nadal is close to making the US Open Final

Two weeks before that, Djokovic absolutely crushed Nadal on an extremely fast court in Cincinatti. I don't think we can use Djokovic's inconsistency as proof of Nadal's ability to win on a fast hard court.

And we can speculate all day on what if this point was like this or what if he didn't have to play on armstrong, but the point is that Murray clearly outplayed him. Why should moving courts affect Nadal so much? Other players have to move between courts all the time, Nadal should have maybe taken a game or two, at worst, to adjust to the new conditions. From then on, it was the quality of Murray's play that brought about Nadal's elimination from the tournament.

 

[HAPPYforTHEvictory]

So I take that as a "y-e-s" to the thread question

 

[shawn1122]

Supposedly Nadal couldn't beat Federer on a HC. He couldn't beat him on grass. He couldn't beat Federer if Federer was playing his best. Come on now, don't throw excuses out. Nadal is just simply playing better than Federer at the moment.

The argument that Nadal couldn't beat Federer didn't really make sense to me. They were pretty even head to head and it usually depended on what kind of hard court they played on. And I think it was clear that the guy was edging closer and closer to Federer on grass.

I wholeheartedly agree that he is playing better than Federer now. I'm just saing that it is unwise to think that Nadal will be a lock at a tournament he has never even made it to the final of.

And I personally don't think Wimbledon is a lock either. Yes Nadal has improved since last year, but Federer is playing much better than he did this time last year as well. With a good team around him he could rebuild his confidence and make a good run for it. There are other players coming up as well. Let's not forget that Nadal didn't win Wimbledon by a whole lot last year, its hardly a lock for him.

 

[luckyboy1300]

If Nadal wins the Calender Year Grand Slam this year does that mean he's already overtaken Federer in history?

Federer will still lead the total slams 13-9 but Nadal will have something more impressive than 13 slams he will be the first man since Laver to have completed the Calender Year Grand Slam (the most difficult thing to achieve in tennis) and he will also have the Career Grand Slam, both achievements Federer has failed at

yup he will, and imo, he will overshadow laver's achievement because of the depth of the field and the sheer difficulty of winning slams nowadays.

 

[NamRanger]

The argument that Nadal couldn't beat Federer didn't really make sense to me. They were pretty even head to head and it usually depended on what kind of hard court they played on. And I think it was clear that the guy was edging closer and closer to Federer on grass.

I wholeheartedly agree that he is playing better than Federer now. I'm just saing that it is unwise to think that Nadal will be a lock at a tournament he has never even made it to the final of.

And I personally don't think Wimbledon is a lock either. Yes Nadal has improved since last year, but Federer is playing much better than he did this time last year as well. With a good team around him he could rebuild his confidence and make a good run for it. There are other players coming up as well. Let's not forget that Nadal didn't win Wimbledon by a whole lot last year, its hardly a lock for him.

Yes, but Wimbledon 2008, Federer had mental excuses he could use. This year, he has no excuse, which means he has taken a massive psychological blow. If they play in the final of Wimbledon 2009, Nadal is the favorite for sure.

 

[HAPPYforTHEvictory]

Plus there is a roof at Wimbledon in 09 so this time when Nadal is up 2 sets to love the Gods can't save Feddy

 

[Safinator_1]

Yeah but they were people like you. Just childish tit for tat stupidity.

You were the one's talking smack for months and months you started it were just finishing it like Nadal ended the final and left Fed in tears. If anything you deserve every bit of critisizm and trash talk u get for what you claim months but just simply cannot back it up because you dont want to admit Nadal is BETTER than Fed now! you blind delusional fool!

 

[HAPPYforTHEvictory]

“The U.S. Open is a tournament that has always taken a little bit more out of me,” Nadal said.
“Last year it was a shame that I arrived tired, but my objective is to continue improving because it’s the only way to complete, or at least try for, the Grand Slam.”

 

[tennis-hero]

Rafa will annihilate everyone at RG, its not even funny how good he is on dirt

at Wimby its a toss up between Roger and Rafa, dont forget, Rog still is a force on grass, hitting to the backhand on grass doesn't work as well, thats why Roger can compete

If Rafa takes Wimby, then he is one away from the big prize, the GRAND SLAM.... wow, so exciting! [i always wanted Rog to do it, but if rafa does it- its still cool]

the US open is still the toughest slam for him, and unless he faces Federer in the final, it aint gonna be easy for him (At this point i think Rog just doesn't have theballs to fight Rafa, and it sucks but he only has himself to blame for not hiring a coach and selecting effective strategies against left handers)

 

[muzza123]

True, Wimby is a toss up judging by last year. However, if those two meet in the final again, my money would be on Nadal - because essentially it will be another test of who mentally cracks first.

Hopefully Nadal will have a better chance at USO this year, given that 1) there will be no olympics and 2) his game will have improved yet even more.

 

[Serve_Ace]

Look we get it ok. You're a Nadal fan. The AO final was like tennis porn for you.
Go away, have a cold shower, maybe take some prescription Lorazepam, try breathing and mental exercises, and eventually (hopefully for us) you will calm down.

lmao, I bet it was like tennis porn!!! Watching Nadal wipe off those sweaty biceps every single point

 

[YouCantBeSerious]

He led Murray 2-0 in the 4th set of the Semi, and we know if he won that match he'd beat Federer in the Final. So do you honestly think its that far away? Take away the Olympics and he may well have been fresher. I'm thinking if Nadal wins RG and Wimbledon he will be careful about what he plays before the US Open

I am a Nadal fan, but even I think that you are getting ahead of yourself.

 

[aceroberts13]

What Nadal has done at the Oz Open in '09 is indeed spectacular. It makes him a very very dangerous threat everywhere. With that said, he has a long way to go to replace what Fed has done. But he's gotten off to one helluva start.

 

[seffina]

Look at those chicks... still staying in their egg. Should I count them already? Hmm...

 

[gj011]

Well, Nadal winning calendar GS this year will not happen, there is a reason why nobody since Laver was able to do it, but if it happens Nadal would pass Federer on the GOAT list.

9 slam titles with calendar grand slam >>> 13 slam titles without calendar or career grand slam.