If Rafa can win Ao 2022, he will correct what went wrong at Rg 2021.

We often forget that Rafa started winning his 1st slam in 2005 and went on to win till 2020, that is a very long period on par with Federer who won from 2003 till 2018

Expecting Nadal to win in 2022 is ridiculous as @MichaelNadal often says, he is 36 and by the wear and tear on his body he is probably like 38 now.
 
Nadal_King said:
I seriously think if Rafa can win Ao 22 then he is again primed to finish with most grand slams as he can again gain a 2 slam gap at rg which could be final decider for him finishing ahead but if he only wins rg that will not be enough
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Adam Copeland said:
We often forget that Rafa started winning his 1st slam in 2005 and went on to win till 2020, that is a very long period on par with Federer who won from 2003 till 2018

Expecting Nadal to win in 2022 is ridiculous as @MichaelNadal often says, he is 36 and by the wear and tear on his body he is probably like 38 now.
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Exactly, he should have BEEN done tbh. Never expected Rafa to last this long but happy he has.
 
I don't think RG "went wrong" for Nadal. Djokovic won in impressive fashion. A tactical triumph, to which Rafa didn't have answers, mostly because he is not longer the physical beast he used to be - perfectly exploited by Djokovic who really was patient in his execution that day.

To some extent it felt right, because RG13 "went wrong" for Djokovic.

W19 went wrong for Federer, and it would be nice if he got a change to redo, but the ship has sailed.
 
junior74 said:
W19 went wrong for Federer, and it would be nice if he got a change to redo, but the ship has sailed.
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junior74 said:
I don't think RG "went wrong" for Nadal. Djokovic won in impressive fashion. A tactical triumph, to which Rafa didn't have answers, mostly because he is not longer the physical beast he used to be - perfectly exploited by Djokovic who really was patient in his execution that day.

To some extent it felt right, because RG13 "went wrong" for Djokovic.

W19 went wrong for Federer, and it would be nice if he got a change to redo, but the ship has sailed.
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A tactical triumph LOL
 
MichaelNadal said:
Well tbh it was, he exploited exactly the problem with current Rafa. Fitness and stamina. Nadal was tired already mid second set, and Novak is the one guy with enough belief to have sniffed blood right away
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Nadal was running on fumes vs schwartzman in the prior round and survived basically by just going for absolute broke and getting crazy hot from the baseline. It's really not like Djokovic did something differently than he always does to attack Nadal's foot further, any version of Djokovic would have run him down in that condition.
 
MichaelNadal said:
Well tbh it was, he exploited exactly the problem with current Rafa. Fitness and stamina. Nadal was tired already mid second set, and Novak is the one guy with enough belief to have sniffed blood right away
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According to weakera, it's lol-worthy to take advantage of your opponent's weaknesses. I like weakera, but "tactical triumph, LOL" was a weak era argument :D
 
junior74 said:
According to weakera, it's lol-worthy to take advantage of your opponent's weaknesses. I like weakera, but "tactical triumph, LOL" was a weak era argument :D
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It's completely idiotic to make it sound like Djokovic implemented a new strategy after 15 years and that is the reason why he won. He won because Nadal was not nearly at his five set best and broke down like a horse ready for a trip to the glue factory. Just be honest about what happened.
 
weakera said:
It's completely idiotic to make it sound like Djokovic implemented a new strategy after 15 years and that is the reason why he won. He won because Nadal was not nearly at his five set best and broke down like a horse ready for a trip to the glue factory. Just be honest about what happened.
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In tennis, it's a very good tactic to take advantage of your opponent's weakness. If you think otherwise, you really have no clue about tennis.
 
junior74 said:
In tennis, it's a very good tactic to take advantage of your opponent's weakness. If you think otherwise, you really have no clue about tennis.
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Taking advantage of Nadal's weakness on that day meant simply playing well enough to wait for the inevitable. That's not a "tactic," that's just playing tennis.
 
weakera said:
Taking advantage of Nadal's weakness on that day meant simply playing well enough to wait for the inevitable. That's not a "tactic," that's just playing tennis.
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Sorry, your head is too far up someone's behind right now. I would never call you an idiot, like you did. I know it's hard when someone exploits your favourite player's disadvantage like that.

I clearly remember fans saying it was "vintage Nadal" when the match was played on his terms the first half an hour or so. Then Novak stepped inside the court, began working the angles to the backhand side specifically, with very little pace, which also makes the ball bounce lower, forcing his way into the match, while Rafa became increasingly frustrated, making lots of errors being late to the ball.
 
junior74 said:
Sorry, your head is too far up someone's behind right now. I would never call you an idiot, like you did. I know it's hard when someone exploits your favourite player's disadvantage like that.

I clearly remember fans saying it was "vintage Nadal" when the match was played on his terms the first half an hour or so. Then Novak stepped inside the court, began working the angles to the backhand side specifically, with very little pace, which also makes the ball bounce lower, forcing his way into the match, while Rafa became increasingly frustrated, making lots of errors being late to the ball.
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Accrediting Nadal's errors or frustration to something as simple as low bouncing backhands, again - versus Nadal on Philippe Chatrier, is so intellectually dishonest that it doesn't even warrant this response let alone a proper rebuke.

If only everyone had known all of those years. Angled backhands without pace was the key. Genius!
 
weakera said:
Accrediting Nadal's errors or frustration to something as simple as low bouncing backhands, again - versus Nadal on Philippe Chatrier, is so intellectually dishonest that it doesn't even warrant this response let alone a proper rebuke.

If only everyone had known all of those years. Angled backhands without pace was the key. Genius!
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Happy new year, man!
 
vex said:
I don’t think Rafa’s gonna be there physically/form wise, but if he found a way to win it would be one of the most epic chapters of the GOAT race. I like that he’s giving himself a chance here.
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junior74 said:
Sorry, your head is too far up someone's behind right now. I would never call you an idiot, like you did. I know it's hard when someone exploits your favourite player's disadvantage like that.

I clearly remember fans saying it was "vintage Nadal" when the match was played on his terms the first half an hour or so. Then Novak stepped inside the court, began working the angles to the backhand side specifically, with very little pace, which also makes the ball bounce lower, forcing his way into the match, while Rafa became increasingly frustrated, making lots of errors being late to the ball.
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weakera said:
Accrediting Nadal's errors or frustration to something as simple as low bouncing backhands, again - versus Nadal on Philippe Chatrier, is so intellectually dishonest that it doesn't even warrant this response let alone a proper rebuke.

If only everyone had known all of those years. Angled backhands without pace was the key. Genius!
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junior74 said:
Happy new year, man!
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You as well :giggle: :love:
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junior74 said:
Sorry, your head is too far up someone's behind right now. I would never call you an idiot, like you did. I know it's hard when someone exploits your favourite player's disadvantage like that.

I clearly remember fans saying it was "vintage Nadal" when the match was played on his terms the first half an hour or so. Then Novak stepped inside the court, began working the angles to the backhand side specifically, with very little pace, which also makes the ball bounce lower, forcing his way into the match, while Rafa became increasingly frustrated, making lots of errors being late to the ball.
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Perfect response.(y)It just kills Nadal fans to ever admit that he could lose fair and square at RG, and that even losing to the best player in the world is the worst thing that could happen and so has to be explained away with every excuse under the sun. So cringeworthy. :censored:
 
weakera said:
It's completely idiotic to make it sound like Djokovic implemented a new strategy after 15 years and that is the reason why he won. He won because Nadal was not nearly at his five set best and broke down like a horse ready for a trip to the glue factory. Just be honest about what happened.
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LOL
 
I'll never count Nadal out because he can still beat anyone not named Djokovic on a good day, but he needs to fix his choking problem vs the next gen. He lost two winnable matches vs Tsit and Thiem in the two previous AOs.
 
weakera said:
Nadal was running on fumes vs schwartzman in the prior round and survived basically by just going for absolute broke and getting crazy hot from the baseline.
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Which is why all of Nadal fans here were picking him to destroy Novak after he bagelled the midget.
 
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Nadal will NOT win AO 2021, and you can take that to the bank. Stop with the nonsense.
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Nah, I'll put a little something on him to win the title if Novak backs out.

Dude beat exactly one top 20 player in his last two USO titles combined. I never underestimate the Nadal and his draws.
 
There is nothing to correct, you aren't supposed to win a slam with badly injured foot that shuts down your season.
Nothing wrong with losing a French Open with a bad foot, nothing to correct.
If he wins the AO it won't have anything to do with RG.

zagor said:
Nah, I'll put a little something on him to win the title if Novak backs out.

Dude beat exactly one top 20 player in his last two USO titles combined. I never underestimate the Nadal and his draws.
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But what's more impressive, beating a top 20 player or beating a US Open champion (beat Del Potro in 2017, Cilic in 2019)?
Nadal has beaten US Open champions in all his US Open title-runs, except 2010 (but he beat Djokovic anyway who won the US Open in 2011).
The rankings mean nothing, because most of the top 20 are slamless scrubs.
 
Djokovic2011 said:
Perfect response.(y)It just kills Nadal fans to ever admit that he could lose fair and square at RG, and that even losing to the best player in the world is the worst thing that could happen and so has to be explained away with every excuse under the sun. So cringeworthy. :censored:
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Thing is, we all know Nadal would have won 2021 FO easily if not for Novak. He would have had Tsits for lunch in the final, broken foot (or whatever) or not.

Players play through injuries all the time (yes, not just Nadal) and it often doesn't stop them from contending for the title. Nadal's problem is that he's not the energizer bunny he used to be and gets deflated in prolonged battles now (going back last 4-5 years now, his 5 set record took a dive) but them's the breaks. Nadal fans sure didn't mind when he used to outgrind his rivals easily when he was in his 20s, now the shoe's on the other foot.
 
zagor said:
Thing is, we all know Nadal would have won 2021 FO easily if not for Novak. He would have had Tsits for lunch in the final, broken foot (or whatever) or not.

Players play through injuries all the time (yes, not just Nadal) and it often doesn't stop them from contending for the title. Nadal's problem is that he's not the energizer bunny he used to be and gets deflated in prolonged battles now (going back last 4-5 years now, his 5 set record took a dive) but them's the breaks. Nadal fans sure didn't mind when he used to outgrind his rivals easily when he was in his 20s, now the shoe's on the other foot.
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Precisely. I'd be interested to know in what way Djokovic could've beaten Nadal that day that @weakera would've considered legitimate and acceptable. The fact is for Nadal fans like him there simply isn't one, and I think many people find that not only deeply unfair to Novak but also extremely ungracious.
 
There's historical revisionism that happens centuries later and there's 2021 FO SF revisionism that happens hours (if not minutes) later. :-D:-D:-D
 
Djokovic2011 said:
Precisely. I'd be interested to know in what way Djokovic could've beaten Nadal that day that @weakera would've considered legitimate and acceptable. The fact is for Nadal fans like him there simply isn't one, and I think many people find that not only deeply unfair to Novak but also extremely ungracious.
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TBH everyone makes excuses for their player and I wouldn't overly mind Nadal fans in this case if they were even slightly reserved before the Novak match but they were predicting a beatdown lol. And then promptly made a 180 turn after the match with tired old injured Nadal playing the worst CC tennis of his life. I mean please, the match even started off as a 2020 rerun and Nadal was very much in it until he bungled the 3d set.
 
deliberate79stranger said:
But what's more impressive, beating a top 20 player or beating a US Open champion (beat Del Potro in 2017, Cilic in 2019)?
Nadal has beaten US Open champions in all his US Open title-runs, except 2010 (but he beat Djokovic anyway who won the US Open in 2011).
The rankings mean nothing, because most of the top 20 are slamless scrubs.
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Yes, beating top 20 players to win a slam is more impressive than not facing any. It's a slam, not a 250 tourney.

USO champion in a bad form who plummeted down the rankings is a champ only in name, certainly not in form.
 
zagor said:
TBH everyone makes excuses for their player and I wouldn't overly mind Nadal fans in this case if they were even slightly reserved before the Novak match but they were predicting a beatdown lol. And then promptly made a 180 turn after the match with tired old injured Nadal playing the worst CC tennis of his life. I mean please, the match even started off as a 2020 rerun and Nadal was very much in it until he bungled the 3d set.
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Yep. I'm guessing their response would be that Novak's win would have more legitimacy in their eyes if he'd beaten Nadal playing at his very best but this doesn't make sense since we know that Nadal close to his best at RG is practically unbeatable but why can't credit be given for even beating a version that's at 80-85% of his capabilities? That's still one helluva challenge!!
 
Djokovic2011 said:
Precisely. I'd be interested to know in what way Djokovic could've beaten Nadal that day that @weakera would've considered legitimate and acceptable. The fact is for Nadal fans like him there simply isn't one, and I think many people find that not only deeply unfair to Novak but also extremely ungracious.
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I never said Djokovic's victory was anything less than legitimate and acceptable so you're lazily misrepresenting my views. Djokovic was 100% the deserving winner - that doesn't mean anyone needs to pretend that he could have beaten Nadal were he in better shape. The two points are not mutually exclusive.
 
zagor said:
TBH everyone makes excuses for their player and I wouldn't overly mind Nadal fans in this case if they were even slightly reserved before the Novak match but they were predicting a beatdown lol. And then promptly made a 180 turn after the match with tired old injured Nadal playing the worst CC tennis of his life. I mean please, the match even started off as a 2020 rerun and Nadal was very much in it until he bungled the 3d set.
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Novak ultimately took his legs out from under him. That is what really happened, just out Nadaled him in the end, because he was fitter.

And for all this talk about using stats and numbers to say Nadal was poor that year, well, if we use stats and numbers then Nadal had the most dominating run to a HC slam ever in AO 2019 where he was dishing out bagels and breadsticks for fun, with very little court time, only to be crushed by Djokovic in the final. If we are just going by numbers without any context, then that was peak Nadal playing his best tennis on HC, he simply got put in his place by a superior player, right? But, you can bet, the stats will be thrown out the window for that one. ;)
 
Hitman said:
Novak ultimately took his legs out from under him. That is what really happened, just out Nadaled him in the end, because he was fitter.

And for all this talk about using stats and numbers to say Nadal was poor that year, well, if we use stats and numbers then Nadal had the most dominating run to a HC slam ever in AO 2019 where he was dishing out bagels and breadsticks for fun, with very little court time, only to be crushed by Djokovic in the final. If we are just going by numbers without any context, then that was peak Nadal playing his best tennis on HC, he simply got put in his place by a superior player, right? But, you can bet, the stats will be thrown out the window for that one. ;)
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Not to mention that using stats from masters is just nonsense at this point, for both of Djokodal. They're completely zoned in and focused on slams at this stage.

When Nadal stormed through the draw in 2020 FO and smoked Novak in the final, he went down to Schwartzman in straights in Rome beforehand. But no one brings up that match because hey, Nadal won the FO as usual.
 
zagor said:
Not to mention that using stats from masters is just nonsense at this point, for both of Djokodal. They're completely zoned in and focused on slams at this stage.

When Nadal stormed through the draw in 2020 FO and smoked Novak in the final, he went down to Schwartzman in straights in Rome beforehand. But no one brings up that match because hey, Nadal won the FO as usual.
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Yes, its all true. I mean if were using stats like this during Sampras' time, they would mean he sucked big time, when we all know how his mentality was.
 
deliberate79stranger said:
There is nothing to correct, you aren't supposed to win a slam with badly injured foot that shuts down your season.
Nothing wrong with losing a French Open with a bad foot, nothing to correct.
If he wins the AO it won't have anything to do with RG.


But what's more impressive, beating a top 20 player or beating a US Open champion (beat Del Potro in 2017, Cilic in 2019)?
Nadal has beaten US Open champions in all his US Open title-runs, except 2010 (but he beat Djokovic anyway who won the US Open in 2011).
The rankings mean nothing, because most of the top 20 are slamless scrubs.
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I guess we should tell Djokovic to beat 50 y/o Sampras and 80 y/o Laver next time at Wimbledon. At least his wins will be worth something then. They ARE former champions after all.
 
Dude can’t even beat a washed up Murray now. I highly doubt Nadal makes it to the second week LOL. This is why you don’t blow matches you should have won when you’re younger and closer to primeshape like against stan and Fed. Those should be “gimme matches” for Nadal. Not blown matches since both guys were his pigeons. He should have had the double career slam a long time ago so we would have a legit goat race with Djoker/nadal. And it would make these last few years of their careers a little most interesting. Now we don’t
 
Sampras-Bruguera 1993 said:
Dude can’t even beat a washed up Murray now. I highly doubt Nadal makes it to the second week LOL. This is why you don’t blow matches you should have won when you’re younger and closer to primeshape like against stan and Fed. Those should be “gimme matches” for Nadal. Not blown matches since both guys were his pigeons. He should have had the double career slam a long time ago so we would have a legit goat race with Djoker/nadal. And it would make these last few years of their careers a little most interesting. Now we don’t
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So there is no GOAT race unless Nadal wins the double career slam?
 
I just love when all these idiotic predictions are made....then the ones who make them, promptly disappear into oblivion when Rafa proves them wrong LOL

Not only did he win AO 2022 (in one of the greatest/most memorable ways possible), he also beat World #1 Meddy again on the way to win ing Acapulco...then won another title at RG (beating NoVaxx AGAIN and sweeping Ruud aside in straights, 6-0 in the last set). People also love to forget that not only was Rafa basically on 1 foot at RG 2021 (Lindsay Davenport said that he couldn't even walk onto the escalator after the match)...he also had just beaten NoVaxx at Rome on the Finals a week or 2 earlier
 
Nadal_King said:
Rg 2021 was huge in terms of historical significance, pre rg rafa was primed to becone GOAT but djokovic just outplayed him.
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At Roland Garros 2021, Djokovic beat the most error-prone version of Nadal the world has sever seen, missing the most routine of shots at the most important times...
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Anyway, its physically impossible for Djokovic to ever be GOAT, because Fedal 2004-2010 is greater than any level we've seen since.
Djokovic beating up the declined versions of Federer/Nadal, doesn't make Djokovic greater :rolleyes:
Federer is older, so his peak didn't line-up with Djokovic's peak, and Nadal was a prodigy and his knees were damaged badly by 2009.
 
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