If season 2020 gets cancelled and the rankings aren't freezed, who will be #1?

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Cortana

Hall of Fame
Interesting idea.

Lets say the whole season gets cancelled and no points can be earned for the the rest of the year. How will the rankings change over the year?

Djokovic would for sure lose the #1 spot sometime? Maybe after Wimbledon? How would things unfold?
 

Street

Semi-Pro
If there is no play for the rest of this season i think Djokovic wouldn't lose no.1 for the rest of this season. Both he and Nadal defend basically nothing in Miami, during the clay masters season they would lose a very similiar amount of points(Nadal probably more, i guess). Then you have RG and W where they lose the same amount of points with a win and a semifinal placement. Then you have toronto where Nadal loses 1000 points and Djokovic nothing, Cincinnati only 360 points for Djokovic. Then the US open where nadal loses 2000 points and djokovic basically nothing etc.
 

Lew II

G.O.A.T.
ATP points would drop after every tournament gets cancelled.

Djokovic would get the #1 weeks and years (tied) records.
 

Cortana

Hall of Fame
since Djoker won Dubai and AO isn’t the answer fairly obvious?
Well no? Maybe he loses at some point important tournament points where Nadal didn't get much. It's clear that he would end this year as number 1, but he might lose the ranking within the year. Like Raonic who dropped massively after the IW cancellation.
 

Standaa

G.O.A.T.
Well no? Maybe he loses at some point important tournament points where Nadal didn't get much. It's clear that he would end this year as number 1, but he might lose the ranking within the year. Like Raonic who dropped massively after the IW cancellation.
what? if the season gets cancelled from here on, then everyone loses all the points from the rest of the season and the only points left will be the ones they stacked up at the beggining of this season, no?
 

daggerman

Hall of Fame
what? if the season gets cancelled from here on, then everyone loses all the points from the rest of the season and the only points left will be the ones they stacked up at the beggining of this season, no?
This is correct. Every year, the year-end rankings are determined only by tournament results within that year. If the rest of the season is cancelled, the final standings are identical to the current race to London standings.
 

vex

Hall of Fame
Interesting idea.

Lets say the whole season gets cancelled and no points can be earned for the the rest of the year. How will the rankings change over the year?

Djokovic would for sure lose the #1 spot sometime? Maybe after Wimbledon? How would things unfold?
Welp, think it thru, who won the Australian Open? There’s your YE#1
 

Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

Talk Tennis Guru
what? if the season gets cancelled from here on, then everyone loses all the points from the rest of the season and the only points left will be the ones they stacked up at the beggining of this season, no?
Yes but it was assumed the points would be dropping tournament by tournament, not all at once. The final standing is obvious as we only have to look at the 2020 race, but OP was wondering if someone would overtake Djokovic just for a few weeks during the gradual losing of points.

But that wouldn't happen either. And I don't think we will have a longer break anyway...
 

Tony48

Legend
Yes but it was assumed the points would be dropping tournament by tournament, not all at once. The final standing is obvious as we only have to look at the 2020 race, but OP was wondering if someone would overtake Djokovic just for a few weeks during the gradual losing of points.

But that wouldn't happen either. And I don't think we will have a longer break anyway...
Good question.
 

RaulRamirez

Legend
If there is no play for the rest of this season i think Djokovic wouldn't lose no.1 for the rest of this season. Both he and Nadal defend basically nothing in Miami, during the clay masters season they would lose a very similiar amount of points(Nadal probably more, i guess). Then you have RG and W where they lose the same amount of points with a win and a semifinal placement. Then you have toronto where Nadal loses 1000 points and Djokovic nothing, Cincinnati only 360 points for Djokovic. Then the US open where nadal loses 2000 points and djokovic basically nothing etc.
Without looking at and calculating each week, that sounds logical. And yes, I hope - both for the sake of watching tennis and for humanity's same - that tennis will resume.
 

Hitman

G.O.A.T.
Without looking at and calculating each week, that sounds logical. And yes, I hope - both for the sake of watching tennis and for humanity's same - that tennis will resume.
Djokovic will not lose the number one ranking for the rest of the season. In fact, if they stop play now, he ends the year ending number one, because the race points will become the ranking points.
 

RaulRamirez

Legend
Djokovic will not lose the number one ranking for the rest of the season. In fact, if they stop play now, he ends the year ending number one, because the race points will become the ranking points.
The year-end is obvious, as I often check the "Race to London" standings and clearly, his undefeated start including the Aussie puts him in good shape there . I think the OP was wondering if at any point during the year, the placements could reverse due to points dropping off - though that didn't seem likely.
 

ttwreader

Semi-Pro
NadalDjokovic
DateTournamentDrop dateRoundPointPoint leftRankRoundPointPoint leftRank
CurrentCovid-1998509850
2​
1022010220
1​
2019.03.04ATP Masters 1000 Indian Wells2020.03.23SF3609490
2​
R324510175
1​
2019.03.18ATP Masters 1000 Miami2020.04.06-09490
2​
R169010085
1​
2019.04.15ATP Masters 1000 Monte Carlo2020.04.20SF3609130
2​
QF1809905
1​
2019.04.22Barcelona2020.04.27SF1808950
2​
-09905
1​
2019.05.06ATP Masters 1000 Madrid2020.05.11SF3608590
2​
W10008905
1​
2019.05.13ATP Masters 1000 Rome2020.05.18W1,0007590
2​
F6008,305
1​
2019.05.27Roland Garros2020.06.08W2,0005590
2​
SF7207,585
1​
2019.07.01Wimbledon2020.07.13SF7204870
2​
W20005585
1​
2019.08.05ATP Masters 1000 Canada2020.08.10W1,0003870
2​
-05,585
1​
2019.08.12ATP Masters 1000 Cincinnati2020.08.17-03870
2​
SF3605225
1​
2019.08.26US Open2020.09.07W2,0001870
2​
R161805,045
1​
2019.09.30Tokyo2020.10.0501870
2​
W5004,545
1​
2019.10.07ATP Masters 1000 Shanghai2020.10.12-01870
2​
QF1804365
1​
2019.10.28ATP Masters 1000 Paris2020.11.02SF3601510
2​
W10003365
1​
2019.11.11Nitto ATP Finals2020.11.02RR4001110
2​
RR2003165
1​
 

Standaa

G.O.A.T.
Yes but it was assumed the points would be dropping tournament by tournament, not all at once. The final standing is obvious as we only have to look at the 2020 race, but OP was wondering if someone would overtake Djokovic just for a few weeks during the gradual losing of points.

But that wouldn't happen either. And I don't think we will have a longer break anyway...
ah okay. thanks I’m a bit slow today.
 

jm1980

G.O.A.T.
NadalDjokovic
DateTournamentDrop dateRoundPointPoint leftRankRoundPointPoint leftRank
CurrentCovid-1998509850
2​
1022010220
1​
2019.03.04ATP Masters 1000 Indian Wells2020.03.23SF3609490
2​
R324510175
1​
2019.03.18ATP Masters 1000 Miami2020.04.06-09490
2​
R169010085
1​
2019.04.15ATP Masters 1000 Monte Carlo2020.04.20SF3609130
2​
QF1809905
1​
2019.04.22Barcelona2020.04.27SF1808950
2​
-09905
1​
2019.05.06ATP Masters 1000 Madrid2020.05.11SF3608590
2​
W10008905
1​
2019.05.13ATP Masters 1000 Rome2020.05.18W1,0007590
2​
F6008,305
1​
2019.05.27Roland Garros2020.06.08W2,0005590
2​
SF7207,585
1​
2019.07.01Wimbledon2020.07.13SF7204870
2​
W20005585
1​
2019.08.05ATP Masters 1000 Canada2020.08.10W1,0003870
2​
-05,585
1​
2019.08.12ATP Masters 1000 Cincinnati2020.08.17-03870
2​
SF3605225
1​
2019.08.26US Open2020.09.07W2,0001870
2​
R161805,045
1​
2019.09.30Tokyo2020.10.0501870
2​
W5004,545
1​
2019.10.07ATP Masters 1000 Shanghai2020.10.12-01870
2​
QF1804365
1​
2019.10.28ATP Masters 1000 Paris2020.11.02SF3601510
2​
W10003365
1​
2019.11.11Nitto ATP Finals2020.11.02RR4001110
2​
RR2003165
1​
So basically the closest Nadal would ever get to Djokovic is after Madrid (315 points)

Of course Nadal wouldn't end up at #2; he would lose that spot to Thiem after his USO points drop, and then he would also lose the #3 spot to Monfils at the end of the season.

PS: Current tournament listed as Covid-19 is a nice touch
 
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tennis24x7

Semi-Pro
If there is no play for the rest of this season i think Djokovic wouldn't lose no.1 for the rest of this season. Both he and Nadal defend basically nothing in Miami, during the clay masters season they would lose a very similiar amount of points(Nadal probably more, i guess). Then you have RG and W where they lose the same amount of points with a win and a semifinal placement. Then you have toronto where Nadal loses 1000 points and Djokovic nothing, Cincinnati only 360 points for Djokovic. Then the US open where nadal loses 2000 points and djokovic basically nothing etc.
the ATP is just going to carry over the points from this year to next if there is no play rest of the season.
 

DSH

G.O.A.T.
This season does not count for external factors.
Is non existent!
2021, here we come!
 

Tennisfan339

Semi-Pro
Hopefully, they'll start playing behind closed doors. They do it for football and ski, why not for tennis.
Players are mature enough to adap and play in an empty stadium.
Divide the prize money by 2 or 3 for the players.
Open a prize pool for each tournament, and people donate.
Sure, the ATP will lost a few $ but the players and the viewers shouldn't have to pay the hard prize because of this stupid virus.
 

merwy

G.O.A.T.
Weird question.. Novak started the year with an insane lead over the rest of the field and next up is RG which Nadal won last year. Where exactly would a change occur that could suddenly make Novak lose the #1 spot?
 

mika1979

Professional
Interesting idea.

Lets say the whole season gets cancelled and no points can be earned for the the rest of the year. How will the rankings change over the year?

Djokovic would for sure lose the #1 spot sometime? Maybe after Wimbledon? How would things unfold?
Well it is obvious that Djokovic would be year end number one as he has accumulated the most points in 2020, and him and Rafa were on about the same
 

Cortana

Hall of Fame
Weird question.. Novak started the year with an insane lead over the rest of the field and next up is RG which Nadal won last year. Where exactly would a change occur that could suddenly make Novak lose the #1 spot?
I don't know where but it's very possible if the first 2 are close. Let's assume Nadal was nr1 today and RG gets cancelled. Djokovic gets 1200 points closer without playing tennis.
 

SonnyT

Hall of Fame
Maybe Nobody!

Looks like American sports are moving in the direction of no audience, if they are played, that is!
 

glenWs

Rookie
Interesting idea.

Lets say the whole season gets cancelled and no points can be earned for the the rest of the year. How will the rankings change over the year?

Djokovic would for sure lose the #1 spot sometime? Maybe after Wimbledon? How would things unfold?
don’t even want to think about it.
 

Desertman

Hall of Fame
Do you really think anyone would be concerned about rankings or end of year no.1? It’s silly to think these even matter.

Likely they’d just freeze the rankings. Come back at the position you were in when the season was frozen.

But at a time like this, I’m sure nobody is concerned about this.


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Deleted member 763691

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The ATP is only having a 6 week break, and that means the next 2 weeks of March, and all of April :)

Madrid is May 3rd, and Spain have already announced all their tournaments will be played-
"The Royal Spanish Tennis Federation (RFET) asks the clubs and organizers, that all tennis tournaments planned in the next dates be played without a public until further notice, with the aim of prioritizing health and safety of all participants."

And France have already announced the French Open will be played-
French Tennis Federation (FFT) director general Jean-Francois Vilotte commented, "We are on a 13-hectare site which allows the flow of spectators to be organised very differently from football stadiums." Organizers said that some of the measures being considered include distribution of "gel and mask kits" and "cancellation of tickets for holders from affected areas" in order to "minimize the risk of contagion".
 

Desertman

Hall of Fame
The ATP is only having a 6 week break, and that means the next 2 weeks of March, and all of April :)

Madrid is May 3rd, and Spain have already announced all their tournaments will be played-
"The Royal Spanish Tennis Federation (RFET) asks the clubs and organizers, that all tennis tournaments planned in the next dates be played without a public until further notice, with the aim of prioritizing health and safety of all participants."

And France have already announced the French Open will be played-
French Tennis Federation (FFT) director general Jean-Francois Vilotte commented, "We are on a 13-hectare site which allows the flow of spectators to be organised very differently from football stadiums." Organizers said that some of the measures being considered include distribution of "gel and mask kits" and "cancellation of tickets for holders from affected areas" in order to "minimize the risk of contagion".
They won't be played. Really, they won't be. Nobody is going to say now "Oh, we're shutting down for six months" as that would create more chaos than there is already, but that's exactly what'll happen. The 6 week break will become a 12 week break which will, in turn, become a six month break. I'd be surprised if anything is played this side of the US Open.
 

glenWs

Rookie
Do you really think anyone would be concerned about rankings or end of year no.1? It’s silly to think these even matter.

Likely they’d just freeze the rankings. Come back at the position you were in when the season was frozen.

But at a time like this, I’m sure nobody is concerned about this.


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If 5 players in the Top 10 die in a bizarre gardening accident, who will assume their spots in the Top 10 and how will it affect the ATP Tour Championship?
 
They would not award any Year End #1 trophy this year. It would be unfair.
I agree that they should not and would not, but I was answering the original post's question. The answer is inapplicable because they would in fact freeze the rankings, but if they did not, that is the answer.
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
I agree that they should not and would not, but I was answering the original post's question. The answer is inapplicable because they would in fact freeze the rankings, but if they did not, that is the answer.
My point is that, in the hypothetical scenario that no more ATP tennis matches are played in 2020, there won't be any Year End #1 award. They are not freezening the rankings. Djokovic will surpass Federer's weeks as #1 record but will not achieve his 6th YE#1 in this hypothetical situation. Even if they were to freeze the rankings, the YE#1 award would not be given to anybody, as 85% of the season has not been disputed.
 
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KINGROGER

G.O.A.T.
My point is that, in the hypothetical scenario that no more ATP tennis matches are played in 2020, there won't be any Year End #1 award. They are not freezening the rankings. Djokovic will surpass Federer's Slam record but will not achieve his 6th YE#1 in this hypothetical situation. Even if they were to freeze the rankings, the YE#1 award would not be given to anybody, as 85% of the season has not been disputed.
How would Djokovic surpass the slam record? He would end 2020 on 17 slams, aged 33-34 attempting to win 4 more slams.
 
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