IF Seles wouldn't have been stabbed, would she have been the greatest ever?

IF Seles hadn't stabbed, would she have been the greatest ever?

In my opnion yes but interested to hear other memeber's thoughts. Also, do you think the WTA did enough or maybe too much in the aftermath of the stabbing(helping Seles, security for players etc.)?
 
Quite possibly yes - IMHO Graf was on her way out because Seles was kicking her around. I think that stabbing added a few years and several majors to Graf's record.
 
her wound was not that serious. if seles was the greatest she would have come back from that incident and proved she was the greatest. instead of basically quitting. she had steffi's number very briefly and only while steffi was having some personal problems with her father. the stabbing was unfortunate, but a superstar must realize fame has its price, the show must go on.

steffi was faster, had a better serve, volleys, forehand, and mind.
 
Considering that Seles was only 19 when she was stabbed AND already owned 8 major titles, I think what IS safe to say is that Graf wouldn't be the greatest player ever. A lot of these types of threads mention Steffi being the best player ever but subtract from Steffi's record a hypothetical 5 Slam titles that Seles might have won instead (this is a conservative estimate) and it leaves Graf with 17 titles and Navratilova has 18.

It does seem probable though, that with what happened from the time of her stabbing to the time of her return that Seles would have probably won many more Slam tournaments. Especially in 1994 when Sanchez-Vicario won Roland Garros and the US Open. I love ASV, but I can't imagine her beating Seles in either tournament. And then Steffi goes on a crazy 45 match winning streak at the majors between Roland Garros 1995 and the Australian Open 1997 (winning 6 titles). Obviously that includes a year of Seles on the tour but you've got to imagine that after Steffi's initial decline that she wouldn't have dominated again quite so convincingly. 45 wins in a row? Not with Seles around and in shape.

Anyhow, who knows? Good question though.
 
At the time of the stabbing Seles owned Steffi with the possible exception of on grass. No telling how many grand slams she would have won. The operative word being "would". That is why woulda, coulds, shoulda is so much a part of sports and why fans spend so much time on it.
 
Her wound was not that serious in terms of her life being in danger. It a tennis sense, it was a career killer.

I'm not going to bring up the mental devastation, since I don't know her personally.

She didn't touch a racket for months. You cannot do this as a pro and get back to the level you once were. Mac go tired and took off several months while still in his prime. He never reached the same level as a player. He didn't come close. Wilander worked his way up to the #1 ranking, winning 3 Slams in one year. He took off a few months and never came close again. This was in his prime.

Seles had all the tools to be the greatest ever. She had a great rival which in my book you need. She was the mentally toughest player I've ever seen. I've seen all the best show some weakness at one point or another, but never Seles. She stood there and traded with anybody. She took the ball on the rise and never backed away.

She was still a teenager when the incident happened. One with a bunch of Slams victories. We might have been watching the greatest player ever, but we will never know.
 
Seles did not have the tools to be the best ever..she was slow, her footwork was suspect, and her stroke production was so 100% and unorthodox that she would have burned out and been injured anyway..she did have heart though thats for sure, and the first female to really punish the ball from both sides
 
She was fast enough to win 3 slams in one year, with a prime Graf in the mix.

I'm not so sure she would have burnt out early. She was so mentally tough. She was very focused on tennis, unlike the sisters, Anna K., Martina H. etc. Tennis was her thing.

She does not have a history of injuries that I know off despite the effort she puts into all her strokes, well maybe recently. She is still playing. Tennis is her life. I think she would have dominated for a long time. After Graf, Martina H. came along. I don't think Hingis would match up very well against Seles. If Hingis couldn't handle the big hit ladies like Davenport, Serena, Venus,... she wouldn't handle Seles.
 
that was then and this is now...the girls hit it much harder now than then and there is no way seles could have kept up w. the pace with her slowness, sloppy footwork, and unorthodox racquet work....in watching her up close and personal a few times, this is pretty clear....she got away with it back then because she overpowered people from both sides..it;s a whole dif game now out there and she would get smoked by many of the girls now
 
i wonder if it also brought devastation to other girls on the tour... i mean, YOU could be next... i guess it just comes to now everyone handles hings
 
Graf was not in her prime when she began losing to Seles. She was already dealing with nagging injuries to her back and hips, and unlike Seles who only had to worry about her tennis up until the tragic incident, Graf had to deal with litigations, her father going to jail, family falling apart, etc.

Mental strength is a strange thing. Something snaps and you can lose all of it rather suddenly. For example, Mats Wilander, who had one of the toughest will to win, achieves the unthinkable, beating Lendl by attacking the net, and then at the height of his achievement, he quits. He later described it this way: he knew he had given everything he had. He had a good idea about his tennis potential, and he knew that he had exhausted every aspect of it. So there was nothing more for him to achieve in tennis.

When Seles was stabbed, I bet it changed her perspective on life. She was no longer a teenager whose mind was set only on winning tennis matches. She probably did a lot of soul searching, gaining a broad perspective on life. But that seems to have taken away the mental edge that served her so well in tennis prior to the incident.

Over all, Graf was a much better athlete. An uninjured Seles would have soon found touch challenges from another mental giant Hingis, followed by power houses such as the Williams sisters.
 
Well Seles beat Graf who was very fast and had a killer FH.

Hingis would not handle her power.

I don't anybody else that would have knocked her off the top during that period. Venus, Serena, Davenport would have been the ones to challenge her. Seles would have been past her prime at this point.

Seles would have dominated for many years.

BTW, Davenport is slow as heck and she is currently #1.

I would take a prime Seles (which I don't think we ever saw) over any of the current crop. She hits as hard, but made far less fewer mistakes. She was also mentally tougher than any of the current players.
 
scotus said:
Graf was not in her prime when she began losing to Seles. She was already dealing with nagging injuries to her back and hips, and unlike Seles who only had to worry about her tennis up until the tragic incident, Graf had to deal with litigations, her father going to jail, family falling apart, etc.

Mental strength is a strange thing. Something snaps and you can lose all of it rather suddenly. For example, Mats Wilander, who had one of the toughest will to win, achieves the unthinkable, beating Lendl by attacking the net, and then at the height of his achievement, he quits. He later described it this way: he knew he had given everything he had. He had a good idea about his tennis potential, and he knew that he had exhausted every aspect of it. So there was nothing more for him to achieve in tennis.

When Seles was stabbed, I bet it changed her perspective on life. She was no longer a teenager whose mind was set only on winning tennis matches. She probably did a lot of soul searching, gaining a broad perspective on life. But that seems to have taken away the mental edge that served her so well in tennis prior to the incident.

Over all, Graf was a much better athlete. An uninjured Seles would have soon found touch challenges from another mental giant Hingis, followed by power houses such as the Williams sisters.

Graf might not have been at her best due to those reasons you listed. She was still in her prime years during this time, 23-24 I think. She was still beating the heck out of WTA tour prior to Seles asserting herself.

Hingis was not mentally tough in my book, well not near Seles level. She was kind of flaky and had other interest. She went nuts against Graf one year at the FO. Seles had too much power for Hingis to handle. A bad matchup of Hingis
 
newnuse said: "I would take a prime Seles (which I don't think we ever saw) over any of the current crop. She hits as hard, but made far less fewer mistakes. She was also mentally tougher than any of the current players."

thinking back, it does seem as if seles made fewer mistakes in the early 90s. i spent about 10 minutes digging around online to try to find archived match statistics to back this up. anyone have any idea where to find these? the closest i could come was finding some on cnnsi.com of the 2001 Australian and French Opens. (maybe somebody there loves jenny capriati.)

i would love to compare a tough, yet decisive victory like the australian open final against graf in 1993 to a decisive loss, like the 1992 wimbledon final against graf. i'd like to see how many errors seles made in each match to stack it up to the kind of #'s that the williams sisters are capable of in terms of the unforced errors department.

i'm not saying anything about seles being better or worse than venus or serena, but as it stands now you'd have to say she has had a better career with 9 slam titles, to serena's 7.
 
You might have a point, NoBad. Regardless of her "unathletic" look, one thing I've seen from Seles that I have yet to see from any women's player since(in addition to the extreme mental toughness, that is unmatched by anyone except Connors, IMO) is the "power angles" that she was capable of hitting. Most players today are straight up power baseliners, Seles could not only rip the ball, but get the most acute angles with power (a bit like Agassi or Kuerten)

It's likely that she would have burned out young(odds are high for any women's player to do so, esp. one that was winning majors at 16)
But not from '93-'96(Martinez, Sanchez, Pierce were winning majors, Martina N was still contending, there were no new generation for Seles to deal with)
Those 4 years would have been enough for her to rack up many major titles, maybe even a Wimbledon.
Also since she came back, she has been able to produce great monents against the new power brigade(beat Venus at '02 Australia, took Serena & Davenport to 3 sets many times)
That she never really got fit after he comeback is a factor. She was too tired to go 3 sets back-to-back most times.
 
kevin...i hear ya, but best of all time>? her body was already breaking down w. those ill conceived strokes..wrist problems..nagging foot injury, etc etc. and hitting at 100% on every ball is a quick path to burnout and injury..i would say even a capriati is/was better than her...seles just really didnt thave much competition back then..certainly not like there is now
 
NoBadMojo said:
kevin...i hear ya, but best of all time>? her body was already breaking down w. those ill conceived strokes..wrist problems..nagging foot injury, etc etc. and hitting at 100% on every ball is a quick path to burnout and injury..i would say even a capriati is/was better than her...seles just really didnt thave much competition back then..certainly not like there is now

how could you say that capriati is/was better than seles? if you're offering your own interpretation of their talents, that's one thing. but if you really believe that seles's record is poorer than capriati's then you really need to go back and read their player biographies on the wtatour.com website.

and to say that seles didn't have _as much_ competition as now, that's totally fair. however, the one thing you're not taking into account is that she did have to repeatedly play the player that most tennis experts have named the greatest singles player of all time (steffi graf). to not mention that diminishes seles's accompliments in an unfair way.
 
newnuse said:
Hingis was not mentally tough in my book, well not near Seles level. She was kind of flaky and had other interest. She went nuts against Graf one year at the FO. Seles had too much power for Hingis to handle. A bad matchup of Hingis

Both Seles and Hingis were mentally tough. Seles was perhaps a bit more determined and fierce, whereas Hingis had a little more court-smarts. Both, in my opinion, were brats (in this department, I give Hingis the upperhand).
 
I've never been a huge Seles fan, but I do like her because I thought she was very classy on the court. She never talked smack, gave her opponent the evil eye... etc. She didn't have any run-in's that I can recall. She went out and just played her game.

If you look at all the snickering with Hingis, Venus, Serena, Maria... etc , those are brats in my book.

Hingis was a smart player. She had to be because she couldn't pound her opponent in submission. I still think she was prone to losing it once in awhile.
 
bcslice i am saying yes, that a capriati is a better tennis player than seles talentwise and abilitywise and she played against better competiton...to say someone who had a shortlived career and played in esentially another era with bad and slow footwork and poorly conceived stroke production and played at a burnout pace would have been the best of all times cant even properly be discussed i dont believe..so what am i doing here? ;O..i've no clue
 
NoBad, I don't recall her being injured much prior to the stabbing. She had a ton of injuries when she came back, but she was also out-of-shape when she returned, which didn't help matters.

Capriati was one of the top player in the world from '90-'93, & Seles owned her. That Cap was able to do well '01-'02, is a sign that Seles would have been able hold her own, had she not been stabbed & if her fitness was at a high level. If Seles could handle Capriati & Graf's power in the early 90s, why wouldn't she able to handle Davenport or the Williams? I'm not saying she would dominate, but she'd still be a top player. Myskina won the French in '04, does she posses some modern game that would make Seles' power obsolete?

As far as Seles being the greatest, she was 8-1 in slam finals before she was stabbed. It's very likely that she would have won at least 3 of 4 slams in '93(I think she would certainly played Wimbledon better than '92, when the grunting controversy got to her)
Looking at the major winners from '93-96, I don't think it's that farfetched for her to have won 9 more majors. So Seles could have had 18 majors by the age of 25. That would certainly be enough for her to be considered maybe the greatest ever.
 
Seles-Capriati Head to Head, Overall, Seles 9-5
from '01 to '02(Capriati's best years, 2-2)
2001 AUSTRALIAN OPEN HARD (O) Q J. CAPRIATI 5-7 6-4 6-3
2001 OKLAHOMA CITY HARD (I) F M. SELES 6-3 5-7 6-2
2001 SAN DIEGO HARD (O) Q M. SELES 6-3 6-3
2002 MIAMI HARD (O) S J. CAPRIATI 4-6 6-3 7-6(4)
 
Seles had Graf as competition. What more could you ask for? Vicario was good player. Sabatini was a good player.

You said she would burnout young due to her strokes, yet she played into the new century.

Capriati is more talented, but Seles won more at a younger age.

She had slow footwork, yet she beat one of the fastest in Graf. I've already talked about Davernport.

Seles was not a mindless baseline basher like some of today's players. She did work the point. She made fewer mistakes. She hit sharp angles. You don't see her spraying the ball 20 yards long like some of today's players do much too often.
 
Tennis Magazine put her at #13 in their "40 best players of the last 40 years"

13. Monica Seles

When Monica Seles was a girl, her father, Karolj, a cartoonist, encouraged her to play tennis by drawing characters on the balls. Perhaps that's why the woman with the Olive Oyl hairdo, Woody Woodpecker laugh, and superhero grunt ended up with a bang-'em-on-the-head game straight out of Looney Tunes.

Nobody accused Seles of playing artistically. But the ferocity and accuracy of her ground strokes--struck with two hands on both sides--more than
compensated for her lack of imagination. She played the game with the mind-set of a sharpshooter, cleaning lines and scoring bull's-eye winners that even the most talented retrievers (Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario) or fleet athletes (Steffi Graf) couldn't run down.

Seles' game was so effective that when she won the 1993 Australian Open she had just turned 19 and was already champion at eight of the previous 12 majors. She was on her way to tearing up the record books when, just months later during a match in Hamburg, Germany, she was stabbed in the back by a madman. Although the wound wasn't life-threatening, she was sidelined for more than two years, during which time the hellbent little girl was transformed into a philosophical woman. While she added one more Grand Slam title (the 1996 Australian Open) and a dozen more quarterfinals to her rŽsumŽ, she never dominated again. Her fans will always be left wondering, "What if?" --Tony Lance

http://www.tennis.com/ME2/dirmod.as...d=&tier=4&id=73BB3CECC31944E6A03F0155E58803D1
 
For some reasons, I'm not convinced William sisters hit harder than
Seles and Capriati when they were like 18 and 19.
Williams' serves are probably bigger than ever in WTA hitory but their
groundies are not exactly top power strokes. Their footwork maybe
best in history but groundies not the hardest ever, I think
It becomes apparent when they play with Davenport.

Seles against Capriati in a quarter(or semi) of US Open back in early 90's
is still the hardest groundies of female pro I ever watched.
Among curent pros, Davenport is only player who would have
challenged(or over power) power ground stroke hitting of Graf, Capriatti and Seles in 90's

I still think Graf hit pretty much the hardest groundies(remeber her forehand ??)
and only Davenport, Seles and Capriati challenged or hit harder, I think.
 
guys get a friggin clue seles NEVER owned graf steffi leads lifetime 10-5 and had her 6-4 before the stabbing. seles won the majority of her slams beating someone else. as i recall graf was having real problems beating sanchez and a few other consistent baseliners. seles could crush the ball and just blow oponents of the court. steffi was to athletic and fast for that to happen that was her edge against her and the entire women's tour, she wasn't just the best tennis player she was far and away the best athlete.
 
You are comparing all time records.

Let's look at 92 & 93 when Seles was her best. She was still a teenager while Graf was 23-25ish. 92 Seles beat her at the FO and lost to her at W. Seles beat her at the 93 AO. She was still a teenager and on her way up.

Imagine how good Seles would have been at 21,22,23,24 etc....
 
FedererUberAlles said:
I think she would have burned out early.

Based on what? the fact that she played until 2003??

That doesn't sound like an early burnout candidate to me. She love tennis. She wasn't one of those teenagers with tons of outside interests.
 
Who knows. Before she was stabbed she had no injuries or off court issues to speak of.

That could have all changed in an instant - look at Henin and Clijsters in the past 12 months. Same thing could easily have happened to Seles.

And then there's burnout.

It's unfair to compare to Graf as one career ran it's natural progression and the other had two quarters and no half in the middle...
 
It sort of frustrated me though in her comeback she could never get fit. Year after year commentators would say she's not fit enough to complement her talent. And then she had this gigantic racquet that I think was like 130 sq. inches that she strung super tight to beef up her offense because she her defense wasn't her forte, and I'm like ouch there's an injury waiting to happen and how can you control that thing?

She still had the strokes, power and talent but she couldn't play defensively. I remember Hingis beat Seles 6-0, 6-0 at some tournament and that was just painful, yet she had the ability to beat Hingis in the SF of the French Open one year only to lose in the finals to Aranxta. Of course there was the '96 Australian that she won. Yay.
 
NoBadMojo said:
Seles did not have the tools to be the best ever..she was slow, her footwork was suspect, and her stroke production was so 100% and unorthodox that she would have burned out and been injured anyway..she did have heart though thats for sure, and the first female to really punish the ball from both sides
Seles may not have had the fastest foot SPEED but she certainly has very good foot WORK. There is a difference there. If you have seen her play in person you would be surprised on how she got to the ball early and timed it so well. Many people forget she was only 19 when the incident happened. Anyways, this subject has been discussed over and over again. My opinion is that she would have been the greatest ever fi she wasn't stabbed. Players can improve strokes from time to time but she had the intangible mental ferocity that matched her aggressive play from both sides.
 
How weird, I'm reading her book right now from a few years ago. A lovely girl. I've always liked Seles. She could have been top 5 of all time.
 
IMO, she could have been right up there with Graf and Navratilova. Graf was the beneficiary of a WTAless Seles.
 
I guess it depends whether she could have mastered Wimbledon, and how much influence it would have on your opinion of her if she did not win Wimbledon, ala Sampras the French, but more woman have won all the slams than men. Also how much her fathers illness affected her between 97-99 where she could still have been winning slams otherwise probably, if she could cope with that stress and heartache.
 
I have no doubt she would have won Wimbledon, multiple titles as a matter of fact. Remember she was only a teenager when she lost to Graf in the finals. This was the surface she had the least experience on. She would have eventually become more comfortable on grass.

She lost in the finals.... to Graf. This is not the same as Sampras who got spanked in the 1st or 2nd round by unknown players on an annual basis.
 
The question of Seles winning Wimbledon is an interesting one. Anyone else remember who won Wimbledon in 1994? Seles had beaten Navratilova on grass at Wimbledon in 1992 and I'm sure she could have beaten her again in 1994 and definitely Conchita Martinez.

Think about the Wimbledon finalists from the time that Seles was out to her return: Jana Novotna, Natalie Tauziat, Conchita Martinez, ASV, Gabriela Sabatini and semifinalists like Gigi Fernandez. I'm guessing she definitely would have one at least once
 
Navratilova would have been the biggest beneficiary of Seles not being stabbed in that she'd have been the undisputed greatest of all time. As it is now, she and Steffi seem to be bandied about back and forth as to who people think it is.

Seles would have won a lot more and Graf a lot less, but Monica was just to unathletic to maintain that level over the years against the power that was to come I think. Injuries were sure to come to her, fat or not, if she stayed as she was.

Then again, she could have pulled a Lindsay and finally got her ass in the gym and started getting herself ready for real, albeit 10 years late for Davenport, who maybe could have racked up six more grand slams had she been not ridiculously overweight for a pro athlete.

And the comment about not being able to come back after touching a racquet for a while I don't buy since some people just have that gift, especially after training their whole young life. Capriati didn't touch a racquet for probably as long as Seles and came back as good as ever. Had she not gone somewhat insane and completely fat as well then she'd have won some more titles too.

I just don't understand how these women or men or whoever, can get up there out of shape and overweight when us regular joes can have a full time job and play on our off time and still be on top of it. For that reason alone, I have to hand it to Steffi and Martina N., they put the work in on fitness to go with the rest of it and they deserve ever accolade they get.
 
Capriati came back good as ever... I agree. But she never max out her potential to begin with. She had some serious problems as a teenager. She came back and was a good player. I don't think she came close to her potential though. She was very good at a young age but never filled her potential, so I don't think it's a good example. I can cite Mac & Wilander as guys at the top of their games who never came close to making it back after only a few months. I'm sure there are many other less known examples. Borg would not be one because he took such a long time off.

I don't see how people can say she would have burnt out or injuries would have gotten to her. She played to 2003. She was in good shape and never injured prior to the stabbing.

Those power players came several years after her stabbing (late 90's). She would have had only Graf and then Hingis as her rivals. I still don't see why people automatically assume Davenport, Serena, & Venus would have their way with her. As mentioned before, Seles face Jennifer who hit very hard off both wings. Seles was also a big hitter and would keep up with them. She made fewer mistakes than Serena or Venus. Played a smarter game than them. She moved better than Davenport.
 
newnuse said:
I can cite Mac & Wilander as guys at the top of their games who never came close to making it back after only a few months.

I think there's a question of timing here. Tennis has never evolved continuously. Rather there have been step jumps in the style and power of the game. If you happen to take your break during the flat period you can probably come back. However Mac was unlucky in that he took a break at about the time Becker and Lendl upped the power of the game. Mac could never quite adjust to the faster pace when he came back.

Wilander had the same problem. When he tried to come back Courier, Sampras and Agassi had taken the game to the next level.
 
araghava said:
I think there's a question of timing here. Tennis has never evolved continuously. Rather there have been step jumps in the style and power of the game. If you happen to take your break during the flat period you can probably come back. However Mac was unlucky in that he took a break at about the time Becker and Lendl upped the power of the game. Mac could never quite adjust to the faster pace when he came back.

Wilander had the same problem. When he tried to come back Courier, Sampras and Agassi had taken the game to the next level.

I don't think that was the case. They took off a few months. It was not that long of a period. Mac had no problems with Lendl prior to his little vacation. Wilander passed Lendl in the rankings prior to his. Lendl became #1 after Mac left. I believe Lendl once again became #1 after Wilander left. I don't think Lendl's game changed. I think Mac & Wilander dropped a few notches. They also lost to guys they normally beat with ease as well. These were not top notch guys.

Becker came upon the scene a bit after Mac made his return. It was already obvious Mac was not the same even before Becker. Same with Courier, Sampras & Agassi with Wilander.
 
Rommil i know the difference between fotwork and footspeed and i have seen seles play up close live a few times as i clearly stated earlier and both her footwork and footspeed speed were suspect altho she had some serious anticipatory skills....she lived strictly on power from both sides with the occassional angle thrown n..players who live witt he power only, NEVER make it to the best of all time..they get passed by by people who have even more power....as per Roddick. also, that stroke product was very seriously flawed and would surely have lead to muliple injuries and a shortened career anyway
 
I think you'd have to say that Capriati went from two completely different tennis era playing against the likes of Evert and Navratilova, then a bit with Graf and Seles and then out for a long time and then with the Williamses and Davenport and Hingis. It didn't seem to faze her at all and I think that is because she and Seles were the first power players and in that way ushered in the new style and she just returned to play people like herself which she was used to. Only she wasn't used to there being so many of them. Though also in her case I think steroids of some sort played a part in her success sad to say.
 
I heard some rumors about the roids. I thought it was just that. I didn't know the rumors were that serious.

I remember people talking about her as the next great champ when she was only 14. With all the problems she had, this thread could have been about her. :(
 
NoBadMojo said:
Rommil i know the difference between fotwork and footspeed and i have seen seles play up close live a few times as i clearly stated earlier and both her footwork and footspeed speed were suspect altho she had some serious anticipatory skills....she lived strictly on power from both sides with the occassional angle thrown n..players who live witt he power only, NEVER make it to the best of all time..they get passed by by people who have even more power....as per Roddick. also, that stroke product was very seriously flawed and would surely have lead to muliple injuries and a shortened career anyway
So what happens to the people who have even more power that beats the people who have power but can't make it to the best of all time?Nevermind.That sounds like a spiral statement. What I am saying is or maybe objecting is to your statement that Seles has suspect footwork. She has got to have one of the best footwork considering the little steps and adjustment that she makes before contact.Like I said, Seles was the first player to come out swinging off both wings with equal ferocity, and consistent at that I might add, who also had the fearless attitude and mental strength. Hingis (not as much power but had the smarts)and Serena maybe are two other people I can qualify. Graf benefited from an era where her slice backhand was not that exploited. On todays CONSISTENT power game, that would be a liability.
 
Seles is credited by many tennis pundits as having some of the best groundstrokes ever seen in the women's game. The fact she has a 2 hf does not, in itself, make it a badly produced shot. 2 handed or not it was one of the top forehands in the game! Monica has never suffered from wrist injuries (which would perhaps indicate technique problems - but then again agassi and clisters get wrist injuries). Shoulder, ankle and foot problems have plagued her later career.

To say that she was only a 'basher' and relied soley on power is to sell her short by some distance. Yes she was the hardest hitter off both sides but her play involved hitting the most obscene short angles, the best returns seen in the womens game and an underated first serve. Its like caller Agassi 'just a basher.' Added to this at the time of Monica's attack she was still on a steep upward curve in terms of form - we never saw her at her best imo. Check the tapes from '93 she was even serve volleying and was certainly in good physical shape.

I always get sucked into these Monica threads - I am too weak to avoid them. It just annoys me when people try to skew history! And saying JCap is better than Monica - puhleez - that would even make Jennifer blush!
 
Yeah, I think so. Like people have already said, for sure Graf wouldn't have done as well. Who knows how many slams she could have won if her dominance up until the stabbing is any indication of where she was heading. The girl wasn't even close to her prime yet.
 
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