If the Kfactor 90 is such a great racquet how come Fed is the only guy using it?

saram

Legend
Am I the only one asking myself this question? I see no other top pros using a kfactor 90............I'm confused.:confused:


because he is not even using the kfactor 90.... he is using a PJ. Same stick for the last 8 years according to various threads on here.....and Andy Roddick as well....
 

Duzza

Legend
It's because in reality, 90 inch is too small to compete in professional tennis. Federer is an exception though, since he can strike the ball so well. But a lot of these guys would struggle to get the same results if they were using a 90 inch headsize.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Am I the only one asking myself this question? I see no other top pros using a kfactor 90............I'm confused.:confused:
Because most pros these days grew up using bigger racquets while Federer grew up using the PS 6.0 85. It just comes down to what the pros are used to using and has nothing to do with the racquet itself (note all the paintjobs of 20-year old racquets still being used by the pros.) It does not make one racquet better than another. The worst thing a recreational player can do is to choose their racquet based on what some pro is using. What's good for a certain pro is not necessarily what's good for you.
 

Andreas

New User
because he is not even using the kfactor 90.... he is using a PJ. Same stick for the last 8 years according to various threads on here.....and Andy Roddick as well....

I remember reading an article on a site stating that Federer was heavily involved in the manufacturing and even the design of the KFactor so it was pretty much tailored to his needs. I specifically remember one of the major people involved saying that he'd never seen a player getting so involved in the manufacturing of a racket. So, if Fed was so heavily involved, why would he not use it in the end?

I'm pretty sure Fed uses what it seems he is.
 

Rasta

Rookie
I remember reading an article on a site stating that Federer was heavily involved in the manufacturing and even the design of the KFactor so it was pretty much tailored to his needs. I specifically remember one of the major people involved saying that he'd never seen a player getting so involved in the manufacturing of a racket. So, if Fed was so heavily involved, why would he not use it in the end?

I'm pretty sure Fed uses what it seems he is.

That could be true. In fact I think it would be good for the game if pros helped in the design process for rackets. But, I'm skeptical that this is just marketing hype.
 

saram

Legend
I remember reading an article on a site stating that Federer was heavily involved in the manufacturing and even the design of the KFactor so it was pretty much tailored to his needs. I specifically remember one of the major people involved saying that he'd never seen a player getting so involved in the manufacturing of a racket. So, if Fed was so heavily involved, why would he not use it in the end?

I'm pretty sure Fed uses what it seems he is.

Roddick does not use the Roddick Cortex. His cortex is painted on his old PD. And if the new Andy Roddick PD is made with his exact specs, etc...why does he have a ton of lead on it? Someone on the online auction site was selling a stick from Roddick (andy's actual stick) an on it--the cortex was just painted on in blue--not actually there.

Maybe the Fed finally is--but what I have read online here in the threads--many people highly doubt he is using the kfactor....
 

ChipNCharge

Professional
The fact of the matter is that there's no way Wilson would have a 90" frame in their line-up if Fed used a 95" or 100" racquet.
 

LafayetteHitter

Hall of Fame
The worst thing a recreational player can do is to choose their racquet based on what some pro is using. What's good for a certain pro is not necessarily what's good for you.

You are so right, I wore the same shirt as Federer the other day and I didn't serve anything like him? Whats going on here I wore the same shirt!! LOL
 

quest01

Hall of Fame
I dont know why anyone would use a 90 sq inch racquet unless your Roger Federer or in the 10 ten. You can improve your game dramatically by using a larger headsize. Especially recreational players. There is no point for recreational or club players to use a 90 sq in racquet because this will only worsen your game.
 

Michelangelo

Professional
I'd definitely switch if Wilson somehow releases racquets with midplus or even oversize head & 17mm (or 18mm) flat beam. But before that day, I'll still stay with my KSix-One Tour 90 since I like the response of the thin flat beam so much. Er, of course the level of my game is completely another story.
 

drakulie

Talk Tennis Guru
I dont know why anyone would use a 90 sq inch racquet unless your Roger Federer or in the 10 ten.

In this case, why would anyone use ANY racquet a pro uses?? Babolat, Head, Prince, etc??

You can improve your game dramatically by using a larger headsize. Especially recreational players. There is no point for recreational or club players to use a 90 sq in racquet because this will only worsen your game.

This is absolutely not true, and there is no way for you to prove this. The **ONLY** way to improve is practicing and working on your game.
 

BobFL

Hall of Fame
...You can improve your game dramatically by using a larger headsize..

Nonsense.

According to you since I play with 90 I should buy 115sq. sleep one night and in the morning I will be nightmare for Roger, right?
 

fearless1

Rookie
Because most pros these days grew up using bigger racquets while Federer grew up using the PS 6.0 85. It just comes down to what the pros are used to using and has nothing to do with the racquet itself (note all the paintjobs of 20-year old racquets still being used by the pros.) It does not make one racquet better than another. The worst thing a recreational player can do is to choose their racquet based on what some pro is using. What's good for a certain pro is not necessarily what's good for you.

Yes, pro's tend to stay with what they started with. However, if one where to take the analysis just a little bit further...

There was a time early in the pro's career, perhaps as a teenager, when that "final" racquet choice had to be made. So the real question then is why wasn't a racquet such as Pro Staff 85 selected at that earlier stage? Well, a somewhat obvious and generic answer would be because there were better alternatives to choose from. Similarly, now as matured tennis players, why not switch now especially considering Fed's success with the Wilson 90 racquets? Same generic answer comes to mind: there are better alternatives to choose from.

So, what makes the alternatives "better" (or implicitly, the K90 worst)? So many possible answers, but I think the main ones that I can think of are as folllows.

--No matter how well one plays with the Wilson 90 racquets, they are a little bit more difficult to hit with and there is also the perception of no net benefits for all the effort either.

--The W 90s are lower powered control oriented racquets. Most players like a bit more heat in their shots from their racquets than what the W 90s have to offer.

Another thought comes to mind: perhaps more pros should be using W 90 racquets. It's entirely possible that had Fed selected a more mainstream racquet model earlier in his career, he may not be playing as well as he is now.
 
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drakulie

Talk Tennis Guru
There was a time early in the pro's career, perhaps as a teenager, when that "final" racquet choice had to be made. So the real question then is why wasn't a racquet such as Pro Staff 85 selected at that earlier stage?

The answer is >>> ANDRE AGASSI.

The truth of the matter is that AA had a much bigger influence on the game than Sampras. Agassi's style of play was flashy and new. Although there was not much "substance" earlier in his career, his "image" definitely had an impact on the courts. Everyone wanted to dress like him, use that 110 square inch racquet, hit with a two hander and pound away from the baseline.

Guys like Becker, Edberg, Sampras, just weren't being copied.
 

VGP

Legend
Drak - question now is, who are the youngsters going to emulate, Federer, Nadal, Roddick, Djokovic, Gasquet?

It will still be the guys with two handers and bigger headed rackets because they will start winning with that type of equipment and playing style earlier in their lives.

Kids and coaches will be less willing to do the things to get games like Edberg, Sampras and Federer.

Edberg switched from a two-hander at 16, Sampras at 14......Federer's heroes were Becker, Edberg and Sampras.

I just think there's something special in the way that Federer (Sampras, Becker, Edberg et al.) plays and I hope there's some 12 year old out there that's willing to put the time in to get towards that complete type of game. It obviously takes longer, but can pay dividends in the end.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Roddick does not use the Roddick Cortex. His cortex is painted on his old PD. And if the new Andy Roddick PD is made with his exact specs, etc...why does he have a ton of lead on it? Someone on the online auction site was selling a stick from Roddick (andy's actual stick) an on it--the cortex was just painted on in blue--not actually there.

Maybe the Fed finally is--but what I have read online here in the threads--many people highly doubt he is using the kfactor....
That may be true about Roddick's actual racquet, but the K90 is not called the "KSix-One Tour Federer", as the Pure Drive Roddick is.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
I dont know why anyone would use a 90 sq inch racquet unless your Roger Federer or in the 10 ten. You can improve your game dramatically by using a larger headsize. Especially recreational players. There is no point for recreational or club players to use a 90 sq in racquet because this will only worsen your game.
Isn't that just your own personal opinion?

Let me guess, you use a racquet bigger than 90, right? Case closed.

There are plenty of recreational players that play better with a 90. You only have to read this board to see that.
 

SFrazeur

Legend
You are so right, I wore the same shirt as Federer the other day and I didn't serve anything like him? Whats going on here I wore the same shirt!! LOL

But was it the same size shirt? Did you wash it in the same detergent he uses? You've got to think through all the different variables, man !:grin:

-SF
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
There was a time early in the pro's career, perhaps as a teenager, when that "final" racquet choice had to be made. So the real question then is why wasn't a racquet such as Pro Staff 85 selected at that earlier stage? Well, a somewhat obvious and generic answer would be because there were better alternatives to choose from. Similarly, now as matured tennis players, why not switch now especially considering Fed's success with the Wilson 90 racquets? Same generic answer comes to mind: there are better alternatives to choose from.
1. Most of the pros today do not come from the U.S. but from Europe or South America. I've heard the PS 6.0 85 was tougher to find outside of the U.S., especially in Europe.

2. There are a lot of bigger racquets that a kid can find to use when they're just starting that are much cheaper as compared to the price of a "real" professional racquet like the PS 6.0 85. I think most little kids just starting out do not want to invest the money in expensive racquets.

3. The PS 6.0 85 is relatively heavy and little kids starting out cannot handle the weight so they go with something lighter which all also tend to have bigger heads. They get used to playing with the bigger heads which makes it harder for them to switch to a smaller head later on. Guys like Sampras, Edberg, Courier all grew up with wood racquets.

4. Again, it's very difficult for pros to switch away from something they've honed their strokes and developed their games around for many years, so it's not that easy for them to all of a sudden switch from a 98 to a 90 without it negatively impacting their games for at least some time, something they cannot afford at this level. That's one of the reasons for all the paintjobs on tour.

5. Lot of pros continue to use the Prestige Classic Mid underneath their paintjobs, which is actually smaller than the K90 at only 89.5 sq. in. Obviously, these pros also haven't found the bigger racquets to be better alternatives, either.
 
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alan-n

Professional
5. Lot of pros continue to use the Prestige Classic Mid underneath their paintjobs, which is actually smaller than the K90 at only 89.5 sq. in. Obviously, these pros also haven't found the bigger racquets to be better alternatives, either.

With Federer's success and the availibility of the Tour 90, more kids in the future will be seen with a Wilson box beam 90-93 of some variant. The continued use and success of the 88-89" PC and 90" Yonix on tour says it all, its the players.
 

LafayetteHitter

Hall of Fame
It was mentioned earlier if your not in the ATP top 10 you shouldn't be using a midsize e.g. 90" frame. So with this logic a pro is supposed to go from Satellite tournaments, then up through the rankings into the 100's, then a climb up to the top 10 at which point he then changes racquets and goes to a midsize? Just want to make sure I understand the theory?
 

goosala

Hall of Fame
Federer is an exception to the overwhelmingingly large number of pros and recreational players who are now using larger head sizes and stiffer frames. I grew up during the 80's so I am used to the original midsize frame and like the heavier weight to control my shots. I tried the 95 after I got tennis elbow but could not control the ball even at 75 lbs. of tension. Even though Wilson is the largest maker of racquets I would say that Babolat is catching up fast because everywhere I go people are using Bab frames.
 

MTXR

Professional
Federer is an exception to the overwhelmingingly large number of pros and recreational players who are now using larger head sizes and stiffer frames. I grew up during the 80's so I am used to the original midsize frame and like the heavier weight to control my shots. I tried the 95 after I got tennis elbow but could not control the ball even at 75 lbs. of tension. Even though Wilson is the largest maker of racquets I would say that Babolat is catching up fast because everywhere I go people are using Bab frames.

Thats no joke, I see bab frames everywhere....
 

psamp14

Hall of Fame
Because most pros these days grew up using bigger racquets while Federer grew up using the PS 6.0 85. It just comes down to what the pros are used to using and has nothing to do with the racquet itself (note all the paintjobs of 20-year old racquets still being used by the pros.) It does not make one racquet better than another. The worst thing a recreational player can do is to choose their racquet based on what some pro is using. What's good for a certain pro is not necessarily what's good for you.

BP is on the money...its what the individual is used to, or grew up playing with

i grew up playing with my dad's old 85 sq in racquet so i'm used to a small size head...95 sq in feels like oversize to me
 

Zets147

Banned
Don't forget I'm also using the K90. I guess I've been too secretive so you didn't know of my great and almighty existence. It's ok, it is YOUR fault after all.
 

goosala

Hall of Fame
I really do not understand why everyone here seems to feel the need to defend their racquet of choice like they have to defend their faith. Growing up and to this day I have not really taken a liking to anything over 93 square inches. However, this does not mean I have to indoctrinate my views on others as to this is the way to truth like some evangelist. Play with what is best for you but do not slam anyone else's choice in racquets. PS85 users slam on Bab users while tweener users slam on traditional players. It goes back and forth.
 
BP is on the money...its what the individual is used to, or grew up playing with

i grew up playing with my dad's old 85 sq in racquet so i'm used to a small size head...95 sq in feels like oversize to me

As far as I know Fed is the only guy using the kfactor in the top 100..........so the rest of the guy's grew up using 95+ sq racquets............I highly highly doubt.
 

Shinpachi222

New User
It's true that most players (especially females) use larger-than-classic head sizes. You will see most players hitting with a 98 sq. inch head and up (I use a 93). I believe it has alot to do with one's backhand. Many top pros these days use a two-hander. I'm a one-hander, so I cheer on any of my kin I find. Anyways, a two-handed backhand restricts movement, and therefore maximum power. RFed, besides growing up on the less powerful PS 6.0 85, uses a backhand that can generate much more power on its own than, say, Nadal's. People like Nadal use a larger, more powerful frame to make up for that lack of sheer force.

to put it shortly, Federer generates enough power on his own to use the KFactor 90. Now I want to demo it!
 

herosol

Professional
lol.
i would only seriously blame my k90 if it was its fault
but in all actuality. framing is my fault.

if i don't get it right, i don't get it right. its not like if i had a different racket, i would've won a match.

90s great especially after playing with some m-fils.
god those suk.
 

Jack & Coke

Professional
Try this.. play exclusively for 2-4 weeks ONLY using an old skool woodie. I did this for fun using my Jack Kramer PS woods (head size ~ 65 si).

After going back to my trusty PS85 SV, it felt huge! My K90 felt like an OS!

It's all relative as far as what you're used to.
 

psamp14

Hall of Fame
As far as I know Fed is the only guy using the kfactor in the top 100..........so the rest of the guy's grew up using 95+ sq racquets............I highly highly doubt.

i believe a lot of players play with mid-size racquets...i'm sure many grew up playing with small head racquets but might have switched to larger head size frames in their teens....

players today who are 25 or older are ones who might have started out playing with a woodie or small head size racquet...i dont think players ages 18-22 played with such frames....they must have started out playing with graphite frames, midsize or similar, and switched to larger head size frames if they didnt like the small head size frames
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
As far as I know Fed is the only guy using the kfactor in the top 100..........so the rest of the guy's grew up using 95+ sq racquets............I highly highly doubt.
In the time period that most of the current pros grew up, there really weren't that many racquets less than 95 sq. in. available on the market. I'm talking about from about 1995 onwards. The PS 6.0 85 was one of the few and I've already stated above why the PS 6.0 85 was probably not widely used by today's pros while growing up.

Besides, there are still many pros in the Top 100 using 89.5 sq. in. Prestige Classics with paintjobs, and Hewitt still uses the SRD Tour 90 with paintjob.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Try this.. play exclusively for 2-4 weeks ONLY using an old skool woodie. I did this for fun using my Jack Kramer PS woods (head size ~ 65 si).

After going back to my trusty PS85 SV, it felt huge! My K90 felt like an OS!

It's all relative as far as what you're used to.
Yup, exactly!

I went back and used my 25 year-old Dunlop Maxply McEnroe woodie for an entire month last year, and afterwards when I went back to my usual nCode 90, it felt humongous, feather light, and way, way overpowered. It took me some time to adjust back to such a light and huge racquet with ridiculous amounts of power. I imagine it would be the same for someone going from a PS 6.0 85 to a Pure Drive or vise versa.
 

quest01

Hall of Fame
Isn't that just your own personal opinion?

Let me guess, you use a racquet bigger than 90, right? Case closed.

There are plenty of recreational players that play better with a 90. You only have to read this board to see that.

You are exactly right there are many recreational players that use a 90. Ive used a 90 sq inch racquet before but to be honest im just not good enough to be using such a demanding size racquet. According to TW and other tennis websites, the k90 is recommended for players that are 5.0 or higher and im a 4.0. Personally ive used a 95 and 98 but lately ive been using a 100 sq inch racket because i feel this size is the perfect blend of power and control.
 

dtd82

Rookie
old/new

funny what you guys say re the old rackets....I've settled in on the K95 team, as it's the closest to the "old school" feel I was brought up on.....and I also have a Dunlop Maxply lovingly strung and pampered, which I bring out and use to (a) keep alive the old touch, and (b) thump on the young high school kids who think they know a few things about what things "can and can't be"......Maxply is setup as it always was, VS 16 @ 63.....haven't quite settled in on the setup for the K, but will try the VS next, maybe at 58-9....currently has syn gut 17g @62, a bit tight.........
 

dtd82

Rookie
Oh, and as to size....ball comes off the center of each quite nicely......

size is more balance, than area....
 

[K]aotic

Semi-Pro
BP is on the money...its what the individual is used to, or grew up playing with

i grew up playing with my dad's old 85 sq in racquet so i'm used to a small size head...95 sq in feels like oversize to me
EXACTLY!!! i grew up using my dad's old pk silver ace. thats a mid or looks like one. therefore, i'm used to using a mid. i also personally prefer smaller headed rackets when whipping out my 1hbh. and if u guys think i'm copying fed i'm not. i've tried using a 2hbh, but to me, its harder to generate pace with it.
 

psamp14

Hall of Fame
[K]aotic;1572792 said:
EXACTLY!!! i grew up using my dad's old pk silver ace. thats a mid or looks like one. therefore, i'm used to using a mid. i also personally prefer smaller headed rackets when whipping out my 1hbh. and if u guys think i'm copying fed i'm not. i've tried using a 2hbh, but to me, its harder to generate pace with it.

i'm glad to see there are more young people than just me who grew up playing with small head racquets, whether its your dad's old stick or whatever

at least i hope you're rather young...:)

and having a one hander doesnt mean you're copying federer! you're emulating other beautiful backhands in the game as well...
 

[K]aotic

Semi-Pro
yeah well it just so happens that fed has a backhand and people on these boards always try to relate anyone to fed.
 

Eric89

Rookie
I may be wrong, and I know that its already been talked about. However it seems to me like the kfactor IS a PS 6.0 (almost) just take a look at the spects! Oh yeah, take a look at the pictures on this site of Roger when he is using the ncode, look at the flat frame you can tell it is a PS.
 

Eric89

Rookie
I guess what i was trying to say in my last post was that the kfactor and prostaff are so blantly close I dont know why people even talk about it anymore
 

Eric89

Rookie
lol, well thats why I am on here. Oh yeah, and mah boy Fish is rockin it
 
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sureshs

Bionic Poster
It's true that most players (especially females) use larger-than-classic head sizes. You will see most players hitting with a 98 sq. inch head and up (I use a 93). I believe it has alot to do with one's backhand. Many top pros these days use a two-hander. I'm a one-hander, so I cheer on any of my kin I find. Anyways, a two-handed backhand restricts movement, and therefore maximum power. RFed, besides growing up on the less powerful PS 6.0 85, uses a backhand that can generate much more power on its own than, say, Nadal's. People like Nadal use a larger, more powerful frame to make up for that lack of sheer force.

to put it shortly, Federer generates enough power on his own to use the KFactor 90. Now I want to demo it!

Not on clay. Roger's BH, though fabulous, breaks down on clay against Nadal. There, he cannot generate enough power in his drive or top spin.

Gaston Gaudio or Richard Gasquet can and you could say they have backhands as powerful as two handers. But in general, the two handed backhands I see are more "solid". I don't know about raw power, but the control and depth seems to be more consistent. So, I don't think you can generalize that two handers are used by people who can't generate power. Nadal can't generate power with his ambidextrousness and "big guns'? I don't think so.
 
Am I the only one asking myself this question? I see no other top pros using a kfactor 90............I'm confused.:confused:

The search function awaits your visit!! ;)

Seriously, this has been worn out. Why, oh why can't some people accept the fact that while THEY PERSONALLY may not like/care for/enjoy playing with the K90, others do?

To wit, I have never started a thread with a title like: "The Pure Drive Stinks! So why do so many pros play with it??". Although, I HAVE wondered..........OK, just kidding. ;)

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