If the roof had been open...

Badabing888

Hall of Fame
Would have, could have, should have..... but in reality the roof was closed. Maybe next year they face each other again and the roof is open and then we won’t have to discuss and just wait to see who wins.
 

weakera

Legend
How can someone with a brain in their head think that Rafa would not have won? Rafa did well to adjust his game in the last two rounds but he is a very methodical player who has for 15 years been a better player outdoors than indoors. Of course in a match with such thin margins that matters and of course if Rafa had been under more favorable conditions he could have gotten the job done. Does someone really think that Rafa wouldn't have performed better with the roof open?

With that being said, who cares?? The roof was closed and Novak won. End of story. It is pathetic to dwell on the roof - it wasn't meant to be for Rafa and it's time to move on.
 

Shank Volley

Hall of Fame
It's easy to say Nadal but we've seen Djokovic play better through adversity as well so who knows. Maybe the wind catches one of Nadal's slices and makes it more awkward and the resulting Djokovic error sparks fury that he'd allow such a cheap point. Suddenly switches into 2011 mode and Nadal doesn't get a sniff.
 

Feather

Legend
How can someone with a brain in their head think that Rafa would not have won? Rafa did well to adjust his game in the last two rounds but he is a very methodical player who has for 15 years been a better player outdoors than indoors. Of course in a match with such thin margins that matters and of course if Rafa had been under more favorable conditions he could have gotten the job done. Does someone really think that Rafa wouldn't have performed better with the roof open?

With that being said, who cares?? The roof was closed and Novak won. End of story. It is pathetic to dwell on the roof - it wasn't meant to be for Rafa and it's time to move on.
Rafa's serve also improved a lot without the roof. Rafa was getting a lots of freebies in his serve. Rafa also was able to hit cleanly. It's not when the roof is closed, it helps only Novak Djokovic. On a grass court, it's tougher to win if your opponent has both good serve and good return
 

weakera

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Rafa's serve also improved a lot without the roof. Rafa was getting a lots of freebies in his serve. Rafa also was able to hit cleanly. It's not when the roof is closed, it helps only Novak Djokovic. On a grass court, it's tougher to win if your opponent has both good serve and good return
When the roof is closed in a Novak-Rafa match, yes, it helps Novak.
 

Badabing888

Hall of Fame
Rafa has the roof open every year at RG (2020 will be different once the new roof on PC is put on - so going have to get used to it if roof is closed post 2019) and it has suited him every year since 2005. Does it really kill his fans that for once he has to play under one?

It really was a 50/50 match in the end between Novak and Rafa. It is credit to Rafa that even if he prefers to play without the roof he adapted and really played out of his skin on Friday and Saturday that he made the roof a non issue. He probably should have won had he won that 3rd set tie breaker, as I think he could then have finished Novak in 4 sets when he returned on Saturday. Had he done, then Rafa fans would be singing from the roof tops and bleeting how Rafa won despite playing under the roof.

Also better get used to playing under the roof at Flushing meadow with both AA and LA stadia both covered and NYC weather in September being so hot/humid and affected by rain. Are any matches he plays under the roofs at either also going to be questioned?
 
According to ipm's jotson's analysis of the wind speeds during both days' match hours, nadal would have won six more points in the third and fifth sets, and four fewer points in the fourth.
So, A.I. believes Nadal would have won.
A.I. also believes tennis players and fans love to complain and demand rule changes...so look for that discussion until the next Fortnight.
 
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GabeT

Legend
How can someone with a brain in their head think that Rafa would not have won? Rafa did well to adjust his game in the last two rounds but he is a very methodical player who has for 15 years been a better player outdoors than indoors. Of course in a match with such thin margins that matters and of course if Rafa had been under more favorable conditions he could have gotten the job done. Does someone really think that Rafa wouldn't have performed better with the roof open?

With that being said, who cares?? The roof was closed and Novak won. End of story. It is pathetic to dwell on the roof - it wasn't meant to be for Rafa and it's time to move on.
You can’t predict the match in front of you. Don’t pretend to predict alternative reality matches.
 
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