If there had been no Federer OR Nadal, who would have won each Slam?

JennyS

Hall of Fame
Pick the finalists and Champion in all of the Slams Federer and Nadal made the final of. You don't have to pick the losing finalist/semifinalist as the Champion. Also, don't forget about players who retired from matches (ex Nalbandian in the 2006 FO).

2003 Wimbledon: Roddick def Phillippoussis
2004 Australian Open: Nalbandian def Safin
2004 Wimbledon: Roddick def Hewitt
2004 US Open: Hewitt def Agassi
2005 French Open: Ferrer def Puerta
2005 Wimbledon: Hewitt def Roddick
2005 US Open: Hewitt def Agassi
2006 Australian Open: Baghdatis def Davydenko
2006 French Open: Davydenko def Ljubicic
2006 Wimbledon: Baghdatis def Ancic
2006 US Open: Roddick def Davydenko
2007 Australian Open: Roddick def Gonzalez
2007 French Open: Djokovic def Davydneko
2007 Wimbledon: Gasquet def Berdych
2007 US Open: Roddick def Djokovic
2008 French Open: Djokovic def Gonzalez
2008 Wimbledon: Murray def Safin
2008 US Open: Djokovic def Murray
2009 Australian Open: Roddick def Verdasco
2009 French Open: Del Potro def Soderling
2009 Wimbledon: Roddick def Haas
2009 US Open: Del Potro def Djokovic
2010 Australian Open: Murray def Davydenko
2010 French Open: Soderling def Almagro
2010 Wimbledon: Murray def Berdych

Biggest improvements:
Roddick: 8 Slams instead of 1
Hewitt: 5 Slams instead of 2
Djokovic: 4 Slams instead of 1
Murray: 3 Slams instead of 0
Baghdatis: 2 Slams instead of 0
 
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Clay lover

Legend
Pick the finalists and Champion in all of the Slams Federer and Nadal made the final of. You don't have to pick the losing finalist/semifinalist as the Champion. Also, don't forget about players who retired from matches (ex Nalbandian in the 2006 FO).

2003 Wimbledon: Roddick def Phillippoussis
2004 Australian Open: Nalbandian def Safin
2004 Wimbledon: Roddick def Hewitt
2004 US Open: Hewitt def Agassi
2005 French Open: Ferrer def Puerta
2005 Wimbledon: Hewitt def Roddick
2005 US Open: Hewitt def Agassi
2006 Australian Open: Baghdatis def Davydenko
2006 French Open: Davydenko def Ljubicic
2006 Wimbledon: Baghdatis def Ancic
2006 US Open: Roddick def Davydenko
2007 Australian Open: Roddick def Gonzalez
2007 French Open: Djokovic def Davydneko
2007 Wimbledon: Gasquet def Berdych
2007 US Open: Roddick def Djokovic
2008 French Open: Djokovic def Gonzalez
2008 Wimbledon: Murray def Safin
2008 US Open: Djokovic def Murray
2009 Australian Open: Roddick def Verdasco
2009 French Open: Del Potro def Soderling
2009 Wimbledon: Roddick def Haas
2010 Australian Open: Murray def Davydenko
2010 French Open: Soderling def Almagro
2010 Wimbledon: Murray def Berdych

Biggest improvements:
Roddick: 7 Slams instead of 1
Hewitt: 5 Slams instead of 2
Djokovic: 4 Slams instead of 1
Murray: 3 Slams instead of 0
Baghdatis: 2 Slams instead of 0

Hard to imagine that a guy like Baghdatis would have two slams without Fed around. Crazy but possible if Fed really wasn't there.
 

JennyS

Hall of Fame
Baghdatis was in the semis of Wimbledon in 2006, so he would have been the favorite in the semis against Jarkko Nieminen. At the 2006 Aussie, he was in killer form. Maybe Ancic would beat Baghdatis in a Wimbledon final?
 

Justin Side

Hall of Fame
This should be a fun thread with a lot of interesting answers. Gonna need to think about some of these for a awhile....
 
2003 Wimbledon: Roddick def Phillipousis
2004 Australian Open: Safin def Nalbandian
2004 Wimbledon: Hewitt def Roddick (Hewitt still owned Rod at this time)
2004 US Open: Hewitt def Agassi
2005 French Open: Moya def Puerta (if not for drug cheat Puerta, Davy would have won this slam in theory)
2005 Wimbledon: Hewitt def Roddick (again, Hewitt h2h vs Rod)
2005 US Open: Hewitt def Agassi
2006 Australian Open: Davydenko def Baghdatis (Baggy loses b/c of the big moment)
2006 French Open: Nalbandian def Ljubicic (Nalby doesn't get hurt)
2006 Wimbledon: Ancic def Baghdatis (Ancic takes this due to beter GC game IMO)
2006 US Open: Roddick def Blake (Blake makes final beating Davy, who he's never lost to, in the SF)
2007 Australian Open: Gonzalez def Roddick (Gonzo too hot in this tourney, even for Roddick)
2007 French Open: Davydenko def Djokovic
2007 Wimbledon: Berdych def Ferrero (Gasquet was too tired after Roddick match)
2007 US Open: Roddick def Djokovic
2008 French Open: Djokovic def Monfils
2008 Wimbledon: Hewitt def Schuettler (Murray was too tired after Gasquet match and would have lost to either Youzh in QF or Schuettler in SF)
2008 US Open: Murray def Djokovic (Murray has recent h2h on HC over Djokovic)
2009 Australian Open: Roddick def Gonzalez
2009 French Open: Soderling def Del Potro
2009 Wimbledon: Roddick def Soderling
2009 US Open: Del Potro def Djokovic
2010 Australian Open: Murray def Davydenko
2010 French Open: Soderling def Melzer
2010 Wimbledon: Murray def Berdych

The biggest caveat to this of course is that we don't know how various players' psyches would have developed if not for their losses to Fed/Nadal in big matches (Hewitt, Roddick, Murray, Djokovic, etc).

Hewitt +4 slams
Roddick +4 slams
Murray +3 slams
Davydenko +2 slams
Soderling +2 slams
Djokovic/Safin/Moya/Nalbandian/Ancic/Gonzalez/Berdych +1 slam
 

Anaconda

Hall of Fame
Australian Open 2004 - Safin.
Wimbledon 2004 - Roddick takes this.
US Open 2004 - Agassi wins.

French Open 2005 - Puerta would probably win
Wimbledon 2005 - Tough one, however it's the general thought that Hewitt would have won Wimbledon 2005.
US Open 2005 - Agassi again IMO

Australian open 2006 - Kiefer. Bold but my opinion.
French Open 2006 - Ljubicic
Wimbledon 2006 - Baghdatis. Oh god.
US Open 2006 - Roddick beats Blake IMO

Australian Open 2007 - Roddick beats Gonzo IMO
French Open 2007 - Djokovic for sure
Wimbledon 2007 - Gasquet, although if Djokovic he was 100%
US Open 2007 - Roddick. Tough matchup for Djokovic

French Open 2008 - Djokovic. Monfils is a clown.
Wimbledon 2008 - SAFIN!!!
US Open 2008 - Djokovic. Murray played like a chump in the final.

Australian Open 2009 - Roddick would *****slap Verdasco. Owns his H2H
French Open 2009 - I don't anyone would not say Soderling.
Wimbledon 2009 - Roddick.

Australian Open 2010 - Davydenko.
French Open 2010 - Soderling again. No doubts here.
Wimbledon 2010 - Murray. The Murray/Nadal match was the final right there in my opinion.


Safin wins two more.
Roddick Might win 6 more (basically without Federer/ although Nadal would have beaten him in AO 2009)
Hewitt would get Wimbledon 2005, and possibly a US Open.

I'm glad though, i would hate to see chumps like Baghdatis and Puerta lift slams.

JamesBlakeFan#1, Hewitt doesn't beat Roddick at Wimbledon 2004. 2005 yes, but Roddick managed to beat Hewitt at Queens a small time before and he made it tight with Federer in the final.
 

JennyS

Hall of Fame
Safin was really tired in the 2004 Australian Open final (played all those 5 setters). I think one of the players that Federer beat (Nalbandian, Hewitt or Ferrero) have have won.

Love the Roddick/Blake 2006 US Open final. I almost picked that one.

True that Gonzo was on fire, so he probably would have won.

So the most likely Slams Roddick would have won would have been 3 Wimbledons (03, 04 and 09), 3 US Opens (03. 06, 07) and 1 Aussie (09). He'd be tied with John McEnroe and Mats Wilander in the Slam count and be ahead of Edberg and Becker. Amazing!
 

Anaconda

Hall of Fame
Safin was really tired in the 2004 Australian Open final (played all those 5 setters). I think one of the players that Federer beat (Nalbandian, Hewitt or Ferrero) have have won.

Love the Roddick/Blake 2006 US Open final. I almost picked that one.

True that Gonzo was on fire, so he probably would have won.

So the most likely Slams Roddick would have won would have been 3
Wimbledons (03, 04 and 09), 3 US Opens (03. 06, 07) and 1 Aussie (09). He'd be tied with John McEnroe and Mats Wilander in the Slam count and be ahead of Edberg and Becker. Amazing!

Safin would beat Nalbandian. Safin wouldn't even need to be fully fit to beat him. Nalbandian would choke anyway. As usual.

I was tempted to give Blake a US Open title. He did own Roddick that year and played Federer tough. I just don't think Blake is mentally strong enough to take a slam title.

Roddick is a tough matchup for Gonzalez. Even this year when Roddick was playing like Murray, and Gonzo was on fire he still lost.
 
JamesBlakeFan#1, Hewitt doesn't beat Roddick at Wimbledon 2004. 2005 yes, but Roddick managed to beat Hewitt at Queens a small time before and he made it tight with Federer in the final.

I gave Hewitt that one, in part because the fact of Roddick having 7 slams seems so unfathomable. True Rod did win in Queens, but he also beat Hewitt in Queens last year and still had to fight to beat him at Wimby. I gave it to Hewitt, but have no qualms with those who give it to Rod.

Safin would beat Nalbandian. Safin wouldn't even need to be fully fit to beat him. Nalbandian would choke anyway. As usual.

I was tempted to give Blake a US Open title. He did own Roddick that year and played Federer tough. I just don't think Blake is mentally strong enough to take a slam title.

Roddick is a tough matchup for Gonzalez. Even this year when Roddick was playing like Murray, and Gonzo was on fire he still lost.

Me neither. Beating Rod at Queens and Indy is one thing, beating Rod in a USO final is a totally different thing and I don't think JB could have done it. Blake would have a few MS titles and probably a YEC title if not for Fed, but I still don't think he'd have a slam.
 
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Anaconda

Hall of Fame
Me neither. Beating Rod at Queens and Indy is one thing, beating Rod in a USO final is a totally different thing and I don't think JB could have done it. Blake would have a few MS titles and probably a YEC title if not for Fed, but I still don't think he'd have a slam.

I like Blake, i even said that with a better coach he would have won a slam. That guy underachieved. Blake would get chances at US Open 2006, whether he would have converted i'm not so sure.


How the frick he made the QF's a few times in a slam is beyond me. He had the same problems Safin did; They played a one dimensional game and stuck to it, just way too inconsistent.
 

Anaconda

Hall of Fame
Ok, fair point with Roddick winning 7 slams. Maybe he might have won them, but i think 2-5 seems reasonable. You could say that from years 2003-2005, Roddick was the 2nd best grasscourter.
 

Justin Side

Hall of Fame
2003 Wimbledon: Roddick over Phillippoussis
2004 Australian Open: Nalbandian over Safin
2004 Wimbledon: Hewitt over Roddick
2004 US Open: Agassi over Hewitt
2005 French Open: Ferrer over Puerta
2005 Wimbledon: Hewitt over Roddick
2005 US Open: Agassi over Hewitt
2006 Australian Open: Baghdatis over Kiefer
2006 French Open: Nalbandian over Hewitt
2006 Wimbledon: Baghdatis over Ancic
2006 US Open: Roddick over Blake
2007 Australian Open: Gonzalez over Roddick
2007 French Open: Djokovic over Davydneko
2007 Wimbledon: Berdych over Gasquet
2007 US Open: Djokovic over Roddick
2008 French Open: Djokovic over Monfils
2008 Wimbledon: Murray over Safin
2008 US Open: Djokovic over Murray
2009 Australian Open: Roddick over Verdasco
2009 French Open: Soderling over Monfils
2009 Wimbledon: Roddick over Soderling
2009 US Open: Del Potro over Djokovic
2010 Australian Open: Murray over Davydenko
2010 French Open: Soderling over Almagro
2010 Wimbledon: Murray over Berdych
 

Pink_Shirt

Rookie
I like how if it wasn't Federer on one surface it was Nadal on another. Man, we need more stars in the world of tennis. That to me would introduce more people into the sport. Especially Americans. I think if we had more big names in the Top Ten, we'd be more interested in the sport. Sorry for rambling. :)
 

Giann93

New User
interesting thread, i agree with a lot of the responses but i dont think djokovic would have as many as some people are saying. maybe roddick would have two or three more. its just too tough for me, i cant imagine fed and nadal not being there
 

okdude1992

Hall of Fame
man thinking about this made me realize that roddick may be the best player ever with only 1 slam. he could have won many many more if federer wasn't around
 
I picked Moya to win RG 05 based on the fact he lost there to Fed Rof16. If not for that I say he wins vs Gonzo Rof16, then wins easily vs Hanescu QF, which would set up a Moya/Ferrer SF, which I gave to Moya b/c of more experience and likely being able to keep his cool over Ferrer. From there vs drug cheat Puerta in the final, which I also gave to Moya. Probably the biggest stretch of all of my picks, but interesting when you think about it, Moya could have been a 2 time RG champ.
 
Roddick would have won them all and had at least 30 GS titles.. but no seriously I think that Djokovic would have become the closest to a Federer/Nadal figure and would be the most dominant figure on tour for a while..
 

vortex1

Banned
These lists are making me sad. It's such a good thing we have such champions like Nadal and Federer to deny these clowns slams, otherwise in 20 years or so people would look at this era and laugh.
 

CocaCola

Professional
2003 Wimbledon: Roddick def Phillippoussis
2004 Australian Open: Safin def Nalbandian
2004 Wimbledon: Roddick def Hewitt
2004 US Open: Hewitt def Agassi
2005 French Open: Ferrer def Puerta
2005 Wimbledon: Hewitt def Roddick
2005 US Open: Hewitt def Agassi
2006 Australian Open: Haas def Baghdatis
2006 French Open: Nalbandian def Djokovic
2006 Wimbledon: Baghdatis def Ancic
2006 US Open: Roddick def Davydenko
2007 Australian Open: Gonzalez def Roddick
2007 French Open: Djokovic def Davydneko
2007 Wimbledon: Gasquet def Berdych
2007 US Open: Djokovic def Roddick
2008 French Open: Djokovic def Gonzalez
2008 Wimbledon: Safin def Murray
2008 US Open: Djokovic def Murray
2009 Australian Open: Roddick def Verdasco
2009 French Open: Del Potro def Soderling
2009 Wimbledon: Roddick def Haas
2009 US Open: Del Potro def Djokovic
2010 Australian Open: Murray def Davydenko
2010 French Open: Soderling def Almagro
2010 Wimbledon: Murray def Berdych
 

cork_screw

Hall of Fame
It's funny to think roddick might have hall of fame records in the GS book if fed was not playing. He definitely would have racked up a lot of wimby titles, I feel the same about djokovic and murray. They both should have about 3-4 a piece.
 

JennyS

Hall of Fame
What if the Williams sisters had never played?

1999 US Open: Davenport def Hingis
2000 Wimbledon: Davenport def Hingis
2000 US Open: Davenport def Hingis
2001 Wimbledon: Davenport def Henin
2001 US Open: Capriati def Hingis
2002 French Open: Capriati def Seles
2002 Wimbledon: Henin def Mauresmo
2002 US Open: Mauresmo def Davenport (due to Davenport not being 100%)
2003 Australian Open: Henin def Clijsters
2003 Wimbledon: Henin def Clijsters
2004 Wimbledon: Sharapova def Mauresmo
2005 Australian Open: Sharapova def Davenport
2005 Wimbledon: Davenport def Sharapova
2007 Australian Open: Sharapova def Vaidisova
2007 Wimbledon: Bartoli def Ivanovic
2008 Wimbledon: Dementieva def Zheng
2008 US Open: Jankovic def Safina
2009 Australian Open: Kuznetsova def Safina
2009 Wimbledon: Dementieva def Safina
2010 Australian Open: Henin def Li Na
2010 Wimbledon: Li Na def Zvonareva

the new Slam totals would be

Henin: 11 instead of 7
Davenport: 8 instead of 3
Capriati: 5 instead of 3
Sharapova: 5 instead of 3
 
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Now I'm tempted to do a "who would have won the Slams if the Williams sisters had never played" thread....

I was thinking the same, only add Henin into the mix. That would make for some interesting RG champs to say the least. 2 time slam champ Ivanovic....:lol:
 
This is rather funny, although the big assumption is we discount the effect the Fed/Nadal era has had on the mentalities of everybody else. It is interesting that all the lists so far have really divided the spoils among so many different players, as though to say nobody would have stepped up to become a dominant figure, which is what you see now (below Fed and Nadal, that is). I suppose everyone would then moan about how the tour is like a game of musical chairs etc. a la the WTA.
 

Spider

Hall of Fame
Murray would have won US 08, Aus 09, Wimbledon 09, AO 10, Wimbledon 10 so far. Five slam titles so far.
 

PCXL-Fan

Hall of Fame
I think its so hard to predict what would have happened. You have to consider how career and confidence changing winning multiple slams would be for a player. Or even a slam or 2 for current non-slam holders like Davydenko, Murray, Bagdantis and others.

Djokovic has lost so much confidence and motivation not having achieved much since his slam win, you'd wonder if he'd be headed in a whole different direction if he had more victories that were prevented by Fed and Nadal. And his slowly diminishing confidence has been snowballing.

Same with Roddick; who knows where his career would be and how much it would help his game.

Many of these players would have developed much strogner mental confidence and resilience if they had won more. And in a game of small percentages where the difference between winners and losers is often just several points, of which came down to mental resilience and staying calm under pressure, we'd see a far different landscape of tour victors.
 
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batz

G.O.A.T.
Murray would have won US 08, Aus 09, Wimbledon 09, AO 10, Wimbledon 10 so far. Five slam titles so far.

You forgot the Boat Race, The Kentucky Derby and The Superbowl. He'd have won those too if it hadn't been for those pesky kids and that dog.
 

DragonBlaze

Hall of Fame
You forgot the Boat Race, The Kentucky Derby and The Superbowl. He'd have won those too if it hadn't been for those pesky kids and that dog.

:lol:

I always hope for your sake Murray wins a slam soon batz!

Did you end up seeing him live (and Fed/Nadal)? Hows was it?
 

martini1

Hall of Fame
Possibility 1: Sampras went on and won the 2001 Wimby, stayed on tour for a couple more years than his real retirement date.

Possibility 2: Nadal may got more slams... or less! Fed helped him out by beating a lot of the top guys for him and then ended up losing to Rafa in the final.

Go figure.

But one thing I am sure - there would be a lot less traffic on this site. ALL those goat threads... :)
 

vortex1

Banned
Nadal would have 4 channel slams right now, including 3 consecutive ones (2006-2008 ). 10 slams overall, top 3 in GOAT discussion if Fed didn't exist.

If Nadal didn't exist, Fed would be at 20+ slams, undisputed GOAT in every category (Masters events, weeks #1 etc etc)

With both of them not existing, it would be a mug era with Bagdhatis having 2 slams. Uh, I get a sick feeling coursing through my body just thinking about it.
 
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Spider

Hall of Fame

AO 09: Before the tournament begin many had a feeling it could be the beginning of Murray's era of winning his first slam title. The best players in that tournament were Nadal, Federer and Verdasco, and Verdasco was the one who beat Murray. If the reports are to be believed Murray played with high temperature that day and it still took Verdasco (playing his highest level) to beat him in 5. Or else Murray would have made it through and either won the whole thing or lost to Nadal or Federer as usual. Therefore we can include AO 09.

About Wimbledon 09 -- Roddick did beat Murray but I still feel it was the pressure of reaching his first Wimbledon final last year that beat him (and not Roddick). No disrespect to Roddick, he did what he had to, but Murray usually tends to beat him (see head - head for example). He shouldn't have lost to Roddick that day. The pressure got to Murray and that had nothing to do with Roddick.
 

batz

G.O.A.T.
:lol:

I always hope for your sake Murray wins a slam soon batz!

Did you end up seeing him live (and Fed/Nadal)? Hows was it?

Thanks mate.

Saw Murray beat Querrey (back in the days when he could beat big Sam), Roger beat Melzer (which was eye poison if I'm honest as Melzer was gash, but was still magical as it was Roger Federer playing!) and some of Serena v Maria which was pretty cool as well. Also managed to blag my way in to the last 5 games of Roddick v Lu - the atmosphere at that was superb.
 
You forgot the Boat Race, The Kentucky Derby and The Superbowl. He'd have won those too if it hadn't been for those pesky kids and that dog.
roflcopter.gif
 

THESEXPISTOL

Hall of Fame
If there had been no knee tendonitis Nadal would have 10 slams already as well.

If i had wheels i would be a 4x4 Patrol and i would be climbing hills.

Since i watch tennis i would say that:
RG 2008: Djokovic
W 2008: Safin
USO 2008: Murray
AO 2009: Verdasco or Berdych maybe if he could repeat his performance against fed
RG 2009: Dunno, it wouldn't be Soderling for sure because without nadal he wouldn't make that run. Gonzalez Maybe
W 2009: Roddick. He was with all guns blazing during the fortnight.
USO 2009: Delpo
AO2010: Murray
RG2010: Berdych
W2010: Berdych


Now that i think.. Berdych could be a good damn player with multiple slam wins.
 
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JennyS

Hall of Fame
If there had been no Sampras or Agassi....

1990 French Open: Gomez def Chang
1990 US Open: Lendl def Becker
1991 French Open: Courier def Becker
1992 Wimbledon: Becker def Ivanisevic
1992 US Open: Edberg def Courier
1993 Wimbledon: Becker def Courier
1993 US Open: Chang def Pioline
1994 Australian Open: Courier def Martin
1994 Wimbledon: Ivanisevic def Martin
1994 US Open: Martin def Stich
1995 Australian Open: Chang def Kafelnikov
1995 Wimbledon: Ivanisevic def Becker
1995 US Open: Courier def Becker
1996 US Open: Chang def Corretja
1997 Australian Open: Moya def Muster
1997 Wimbledon: Becker def Pioline
1998 Wimbledon: Ivanisevic def Henman
1999 WIMBLEDON: HENMAN DEF RAFTER?!!?!?!?!!!!
1999 US Open: Martin def Kafelnikov
2000 Australian Open: Kafelnikov def Philippoussis
2000 Wimbledon: Rafter def Jan-Michael Gambill??!?!!
2000 US Open: Safin def Hewitt
2001 Australian Open: Rafter def Clement
2001 US Open: Hewitt def Safin
2002 US Open: Hewitt def Roddick
2005 US Open: Federer def Blake
 
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If Federer hadn't existed, Rafa might not have been as great. It was the confidence of beating the best player ever, and having a bulletproof gameplan against him that worked time and time again, that really propelled him to so many Slams and improvements in his game. If Rafa hadn't existed, Fed would have dominated like no one ever has or ever will in the history of anything. But I feel there would be a great deal of griping about the weakness of this era.
 
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