If they finish at 20/20/20, whats then?

GOAT will be...

  • Roger Federer

  • Novak Djokovic

  • Rafael Nadal


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socallefty

Hall of Fame
Have to go with Djokovic if they are all tied at 20 Slams.

Better head-head
More weeks at #1
More big titles (Masters 1000 titles + ATP Finals + Olympic gold)
6 YE #1

Apart from aesthetic reasons which might favor Federer, there is no compelling reason to choose Nadal or Federer over him if they tie on 20 Slams.

My prediction though is that it’s not going to be easy for Djokovic to win three more Slams while Nadal will likely win at least a couple more and finish as the Slam count leader.
 
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Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
Why is everyone discussing a hypothetical that will never happen? Nadal is running away with the slam race. It's only a matter of time. That's just the reality of it. Not that I'm terribly broken up about it, I just don't see the point in this discussion at all.
 

Sunny Ali

Hall of Fame
Djokovic well ahead in the poll and rightly so! A tie at the top will easily grant Djokovic clear GOAT status (y)
 

Sunny Ali

Hall of Fame
Why is everyone discussing a hypothetical that will never happen? Nadal is running away with the slam race. It's only a matter of time. That's just the reality of it. Not that I'm terribly broken up about it, I just don't see the point in this discussion at all.
As things stand now, you're right. But things can change.
 

serve

Rookie
if the no of slams decide who goat is, then win rate is the most logical tie-breaker in case of a tie. So, Nadal (20/60) it is ...
 

Bamoos

Semi-Pro
To me, Wimbledon 2019 is what convinced me that Federer is the greatest. At 38 years old, he took world no.1 to the equivalent of 6 sets, had two match points, and lost in a tiebreak. Djokovic wasn’t even able to win one set without a tiebreak. Even though Federer lost, this is to me his biggest achievement.
It pretty much sealed the deal that Djokovic got lucky facing a declined Fed. If they were the same age he may only have 1 Wimbledon title at best
 

ND-13

Professional
I would take Djokovic's versatility at 17 majors even if Rafa gets to 21/22 majors. Rafa's majors are so clay skewed. They are probably more tougher to win but does not mean Nadal has the variety that Djokovic has managed to achieve.

Tennis is a multi surface sport and to me, Roger and Novak would always stand out because of their mastery on 2 of 3 surfaces. along with indoor. Nadal trails them badly everywhere , except clay.
 

RaulRamirez

Hall of Fame
There are already cases to be made for all three.
That would still be the case at 20-20-20, but objectively - should this occur - Novak would have the strongest case.
In short, try to enjoy all of them - it's not that hard to do.
 

Arak

Professional
I see Djokovic is enjoying a resurgence of popularity despite the disastrous year, or is it because of? People like to root for the underdog.
 

Bamoos

Semi-Pro
Fair if Djokovic gets to 21 imo.

Fed will always have a great argument for BOAT.
Always worth looking at their prime years.

Djokovic could’ve had Fed numbers but lost to Murray, Wawrinka, Nishikori, Querrey at slams.

Vulturing 8-9 slams in weak old man era pushing against next gen doesn’t quite inspire me in the same way Federer did in his prime, or Nadal on clay.
 

PeoplesChamp

Hall of Fame
Always worth looking at their prime years.

Djokovic could’ve had Fed numbers but lost to Murray, Wawrinka, Nishikori, Querrey at slams.

Vulturing 8-9 slams in weak old man era pushing against next gen doesn’t quite inspire me in the same way Federer did in his prime, or Nadal on clay.
Djokovic can be "statistical" goat I reckon. Federer real goat/boat/whatever oat. He simply did it better.
 

Bamoos

Semi-Pro
Djokovic can be "statistical" goat I reckon. Federer real goat/boat/whatever oat. He simply did it better.
Yeah this. If we resort to bean counting he can become statistic goat. Doesn’t have same impact as the way Fed inspired on court.

I actually rate Nole’s 2011 run above anything he has done since.
 

PeoplesChamp

Hall of Fame
Yeah this. If we resort to bean counting he can become statistic goat. Doesn’t have same impact as the way Fed inspired on court.

I actually rate Nole’s 2011 run above anything he has done since.
2015 is ridiculous statistically because weak comp. 2011 Djokovic always been the better player imo as well. 2015 was great too, but stats are inflated af.
 

NADALalot

Hall of Fame
But Nadal can get injured anytime and that will be last injure which will end him. Its ridiculous to say that Djokovic wont win 3 and Nadal will win 5. Nadal only can win on clay, Djokovic on any surface, so how Nadal can win more can you explain me?
Injuries don't matter to Nadal, because he knows how to come back.
Nadal has an answer for every injury.
Nadal has won 2 of the last 3 US Opens leading up to 2020 which he skipped.
Nadal will continue to win Roland Garros and the US Open.
In fact Nadal only needs 1 more US Open to tie Connors-Sampras-Federer on 5 US Opens.
And Nadal is always a chance at Wimbledon, because Djokovic needed a 10-8 5th Set to beat Nadal with the roof closed in 2018.

BTW why was Djokovic down 2-sets-to-1 in this year's AO Final? That is Djokovic's easiest slam, and he may never win it again.
Whereas Nadal's easiest slam is Roland Garros, and he won this year's Final 60 62 75 over Djokovic....
In order to rack up slams, you NEED to have complete control of your favorite slam for the foreseeable future.
Nadal has complete control of his favorite slam, while Djokovic is on the edge of losing the AO.
Nadal's slam-winning future is assured.....while Djokovic's future is looking empty.
 
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StANDAA

G.O.A.T.
Why is everyone discussing a hypothetical that will never happen? Nadal is running away with the slam race. It's only a matter of time. That's just the reality of it. Not that I'm terribly broken up about it, I just don't see the point in this discussion at all.
how many more do you see him win? just being curious, seeing how confident you are with him "running away with it"
 

JaoSousa

Hall of Fame
Injuries don't matter to Nadal, because he knows how to come back.
Nadal has an answer for every injury.
Nadal has won 2 of the last 3 US Opens leading up to 2020 which he skipped.
Nadal will continue to win Roland Garros and the US Open.
In fact Nadal only needs 1 more US Open to tie Connors-Sampras-Federer on 5 US Opens.
And Nadal is always a chance at Wimbledon, because Djokovic needed a 10-8 5th Set to beat Nadal with the roof closed in 2018.

BTW why was Djokovic down 2-sets-to-1 in this year's AO Final? That is Djokovic's easiest slam, and he may never win it again.
Whereas Nadal's easiest slam is Roland Garros, and he won this year's Final 60 62 75 over Djokovic....
In order to rack up slams, you NEED to have complete control of your favorite slam for the foreseeable future.
Nadal has complete control of his favorite slam, while Djokovic is on the edge of losing the AO.
Nadal's slam-winning future is assured.....while Djokovic's future is looking empty.
Literally 90% of your posts smashed into one.
 

stingstang

Professional
Fed is timeless. You could put him in any era, on any court and he would be top of the heap (or at least extremely close). That’s why he is goat IMO even if he loses slam count by lots.
 

NADALalot

Hall of Fame
Fed is timeless. You could put him in any era, on any court and he would be top of the heap (or at least extremely close). That’s why he is goat IMO even if he loses slam count by lots.
Prime Nadal has a gigantic athleticism advantage over everyone else in tennis history, so imagine if you put Nadal into the 1990s or 1980s etc.
Whereas Federer doesn't stand out athletically.
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
It's looking more and more like Nadal may finish on top since he can win RG forever it seems. Wimbledon being canceled and Djokovic's bonehead move at the USO were disastrous. That may cost him in the long run. He would at least be on 18 now most likely if things turned out a little differently. If they all ended up on 20, which I don't expect since I think Nadal wins 2 more at least, Djokovic would have the argument over the other two.
 

TennisFan3

G.O.A.T.
Almost every tennis expert, pro player and coach say that Novak Djokovic will finish with the most slams. It is almost generally accepted wisdom an article of faith.
So the 20/20/20 - will never happen. And Nadal might win more as well.
 

itrium84

Professional
Imagine Federer is done which is very likely. Djokovic only win 3 more slams, 1 AO and 2 WB, maybe 1 more WTF and of course reach N1 weeks record. Nadal got defeated at RG2021 by Thiem and his body couldnt let him compete anymore in 2022. This is actually very possible scenario. Who will be called GOAT then?
We would need to look at the most important metrics and compare.
GS titles (Novak 20 & Fedal 20)
WTF titles (Novak 6 & Fed 6)
M1000 (Novak 36+ & Rafa 35+)
Big titles summary (Novak - won them all and won most)
WeeksNo1 (Novak 310+, can be 400+)
YearsNo1 (Novak 6+)
GRAND SLAM (Novak, NCYGS)
BOAT (Novak 2015/16)
ATG H2H (Novak) - this one is not so important metric, but some people insist it is.

Rafa in comparison to Novak: 0 WTF, 0 Miami, 0 Paris, poor WeeksNo1 record, less YearsNo1, no GRAND SLAM, never was even close to Novak's 2015/16 BOAT achievements level, losing H2H.

Fed in comparison to Novak: 7/9 M1000, poor M1000 titles number, less WeeksNo1, less YearsNo1, no GRAND SLAM, losing H2H.

It wouldn't be even that close.
 

Milanez82

Semi-Pro
We would need to look at the most important metrics and compare.
GS titles (Novak 20 & Fedal 20)
WTF titles (Novak 6 & Fed 6)
M1000 (Novak 36+ & Rafa 35+)
Big titles summary (Novak - won them all and won most)
WeeksNo1 (Novak 310+, can be 400+)
YearsNo1 (Novak 6+)
GRAND SLAM (Novak, NCYGS)
BOAT (Novak 2015/16)
ATG H2H (Novak) - this one is not so important metric, but some people insist it is.

Rafa in comparison to Novak: 0 WTF, 0 Miami, 0 Paris, poor WeeksNo1 record, less YearsNo1, no GRAND SLAM, never was even close to Novak's 2015/16 BOAT achievements level, losing H2H.

Fed in comparison to Novak: 7/9 M1000, poor M1000 titles number, less WeeksNo1, less YearsNo1, no GRAND SLAM, losing H2H.

It wouldn't be even that close.
Djokovic has 5 wtf titles may never get another one
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
Djokodal won't stay at 20, especially Nadal. It's a pointless hypothetical.

But Nadal can get injured anytime and that will be last injure which will end him. Its ridiculous to say that Djokovic wont win 3 and Nadal will win 5. Nadal only can win on clay, Djokovic on any surface, so how Nadal can win more can you explain me?
Anytime except druing CC season when he's always fit as a fiddle.
 

nov

Rookie
Djokodal won't stay at 20, especially Nadal. It's a pointless hypothetical.



Anytime except druing CC season when he's always fit as a fiddle.
Djokodal won't stay at 20, especially Nadal. It's a pointless hypothetical.



Anytime except druing CC season when he's always fit as a fiddle.
The funny thing is im not remember exactly but like 5 years ago everyone here talk that Nadal is done due to injuries and now people talking like hes gonna win 50 slams :D By TTW logic, Nadal after 5 years became healthier even hes 5 years older now :D Its hard to tell at this moment. I wouldn bet money on any scenariop right now, but if i need to ill bet that Djokovic will win more slams than Nadal from this point it could be only one more slam and Nadal still win slam race but Djokovic will win more slams from this moment for sure.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
The funny thing is im not remember exactly but like 5 years ago everyone here talk that Nadal is done due to injuries and now people talking like hes gonna win 50 slams :D By TTW logic, Nadal after 5 years became healthier even hes 5 years older now :D Its hard to tell at this moment. I wouldn bet money on any scenariop right now, but if i need to ill bet that Djokovic will win more slams than Nadal from this point it could be only one more slam and Nadal still win slam race but Djokovic will win more slams from this moment for sure.
Nadal was always healthy on clay barring like one year in the last 15 years so yeah.
 
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