As things stand now, you're right. But things can change.Why is everyone discussing a hypothetical that will never happen? Nadal is running away with the slam race. It's only a matter of time. That's just the reality of it. Not that I'm terribly broken up about it, I just don't see the point in this discussion at all.
It's not figure skating, sorry...Style points will be the tiebreaker than.
It pretty much sealed the deal that Djokovic got lucky facing a declined Fed. If they were the same age he may only have 1 Wimbledon title at bestTo me, Wimbledon 2019 is what convinced me that Federer is the greatest. At 38 years old, he took world no.1 to the equivalent of 6 sets, had two match points, and lost in a tiebreak. Djokovic wasn’t even able to win one set without a tiebreak. Even though Federer lost, this is to me his biggest achievement.
Fair if Djokovic gets to 21 imo.Federer-Highest Peak
Nadal- Most 1 surface dominance
Djokovic- GOAT (among those 3 imo)
Always worth looking at their prime years.Fair if Djokovic gets to 21 imo.
Fed will always have a great argument for BOAT.
Djokovic can be "statistical" goat I reckon. Federer real goat/boat/whatever oat. He simply did it better.Always worth looking at their prime years.
Djokovic could’ve had Fed numbers but lost to Murray, Wawrinka, Nishikori, Querrey at slams.
Vulturing 8-9 slams in weak old man era pushing against next gen doesn’t quite inspire me in the same way Federer did in his prime, or Nadal on clay.
Yeah this. If we resort to bean counting he can become statistic goat. Doesn’t have same impact as the way Fed inspired on court.Djokovic can be "statistical" goat I reckon. Federer real goat/boat/whatever oat. He simply did it better.
2015 is ridiculous statistically because weak comp. 2011 Djokovic always been the better player imo as well. 2015 was great too, but stats are inflated af.Yeah this. If we resort to bean counting he can become statistic goat. Doesn’t have same impact as the way Fed inspired on court.
I actually rate Nole’s 2011 run above anything he has done since.
Injuries don't matter to Nadal, because he knows how to come back.But Nadal can get injured anytime and that will be last injure which will end him. Its ridiculous to say that Djokovic wont win 3 and Nadal will win 5. Nadal only can win on clay, Djokovic on any surface, so how Nadal can win more can you explain me?
how many more do you see him win? just being curious, seeing how confident you are with him "running away with it"Why is everyone discussing a hypothetical that will never happen? Nadal is running away with the slam race. It's only a matter of time. That's just the reality of it. Not that I'm terribly broken up about it, I just don't see the point in this discussion at all.
Literally 90% of your posts smashed into one.Injuries don't matter to Nadal, because he knows how to come back.
Nadal has an answer for every injury.
Nadal has won 2 of the last 3 US Opens leading up to 2020 which he skipped.
Nadal will continue to win Roland Garros and the US Open.
In fact Nadal only needs 1 more US Open to tie Connors-Sampras-Federer on 5 US Opens.
And Nadal is always a chance at Wimbledon, because Djokovic needed a 10-8 5th Set to beat Nadal with the roof closed in 2018.
BTW why was Djokovic down 2-sets-to-1 in this year's AO Final? That is Djokovic's easiest slam, and he may never win it again.
Whereas Nadal's easiest slam is Roland Garros, and he won this year's Final 60 62 75 over Djokovic....
In order to rack up slams, you NEED to have complete control of your favorite slam for the foreseeable future.
Nadal has complete control of his favorite slam, while Djokovic is on the edge of losing the AO.
Nadal's slam-winning future is assured.....while Djokovic's future is looking empty.
Prime Nadal has a gigantic athleticism advantage over everyone else in tennis history, so imagine if you put Nadal into the 1990s or 1980s etc.Fed is timeless. You could put him in any era, on any court and he would be top of the heap (or at least extremely close). That’s why he is goat IMO even if he loses slam count by lots.
We would need to look at the most important metrics and compare.Imagine Federer is done which is very likely. Djokovic only win 3 more slams, 1 AO and 2 WB, maybe 1 more WTF and of course reach N1 weeks record. Nadal got defeated at RG2021 by Thiem and his body couldnt let him compete anymore in 2022. This is actually very possible scenario. Who will be called GOAT then?
No because if they all end up on 20 Novak is the goat because he holds the tiebreaker metricsAt 20-all, they walk out into the sunset, holding hands, leaving the fans to argue the goat debate to infinity...
Djokovic has 5 wtf titles may never get another oneWe would need to look at the most important metrics and compare.
GS titles (Novak 20 & Fedal 20)
WTF titles (Novak 6 & Fed 6)
M1000 (Novak 36+ & Rafa 35+)
Big titles summary (Novak - won them all and won most)
WeeksNo1 (Novak 310+, can be 400+)
YearsNo1 (Novak 6+)
GRAND SLAM (Novak, NCYGS)
BOAT (Novak 2015/16)
ATG H2H (Novak) - this one is not so important metric, but some people insist it is.
Rafa in comparison to Novak: 0 WTF, 0 Miami, 0 Paris, poor WeeksNo1 record, less YearsNo1, no GRAND SLAM, never was even close to Novak's 2015/16 BOAT achievements level, losing H2H.
Fed in comparison to Novak: 7/9 M1000, poor M1000 titles number, less WeeksNo1, less YearsNo1, no GRAND SLAM, losing H2H.
It wouldn't be even that close.
Shhhh we have to give them hope.No because if they all end up on 20 Novak is the goat because he holds the tiebreaker metrics
Savage haha!Facts. But he won't equal Nadal, so we don't have to worry about that. Thanks lineslady!
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Def savage in Freddy modeSavage haha!
Correct Federer's legacy being the biggest vulturer in tennis history has nothing to worry about.Federer’s legacy is set in stone, no matter how much vulturing the other guys do.
The champion like Djokovic with such character, how can you be sure?I don't see Djokovic reach 20 after the year we just had.
Anytime except druing CC season when he's always fit as a fiddle.But Nadal can get injured anytime and that will be last injure which will end him. Its ridiculous to say that Djokovic wont win 3 and Nadal will win 5. Nadal only can win on clay, Djokovic on any surface, so how Nadal can win more can you explain me?
Djokodal won't stay at 20, especially Nadal. It's a pointless hypothetical.
Anytime except druing CC season when he's always fit as a fiddle.
The funny thing is im not remember exactly but like 5 years ago everyone here talk that Nadal is done due to injuries and now people talking like hes gonna win 50 slamsDjokodal won't stay at 20, especially Nadal. It's a pointless hypothetical.
Anytime except druing CC season when he's always fit as a fiddle.
Correct Federer's legacy being the biggest vulturer in tennis history has nothing to worry about.
Nadal was always healthy on clay barring like one year in the last 15 years so yeah.The funny thing is im not remember exactly but like 5 years ago everyone here talk that Nadal is done due to injuries and now people talking like hes gonna win 50 slamsBy TTW logic, Nadal after 5 years became healthier even hes 5 years older now
Its hard to tell at this moment. I wouldn bet money on any scenariop right now, but if i need to ill bet that Djokovic will win more slams than Nadal from this point it could be only one more slam and Nadal still win slam race but Djokovic will win more slams from this moment for sure.
WAS. Clay is only one tournament from 4. In other 3 Djokovic has higher chances than Nadal.Nadal was always healthy on clay barring like one year in the last 15 years so yeah.