If Thiem handles the nerves of being in a first major final.He has a shot.

mistik

Hall of Fame
I think the biggest factor will be this rather than playing Nadal. I also think thats why playing Nadal will help him because you can have the mind set that ı have nothing to lose which in a way helpful. I think Thiem would be more nervous ıf he plays the final with another person.
 

wangs78

Hall of Fame
Thiem has a shot. In my view, both players enter the final with plenty of confidence and can win the match even if they lose the first set. Key for Thiem will be to stay focused and not get frustrated by losing a set or going down a break.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
This match will be a major dud.
Exactly. Those anticipating that Dom even has a chance are engaging in wishful thinking, "jinxing" or trollism at its highest level. I remember when Ferrer was in the final against Rafa, you had a fair amount of people posting, "Da-VEED has a real shot at this!" and he won something like 7 games.

The moment will overwhelm Thiem, Rafa will win the toss and elect to receive and DT will lose his serve right out the gates, and continue to self-disintegrate. It doesn't matter that he has the game and the fitness required to defeat Nadal, he doesn't have the necessary mental strength. Fed never had the mental strength to defeat Rafa at RG, so Thiem sure as hell doesn't have it.
 

jackdaw

Rookie
He has zero chance .... zero ... they may as well send out a 3.5 sunday afternoon player.
The game is a JOKE at this stage, a 32 year old and a 36 year old DOMINATE the game with absolutely zero sign of any young guys stepping up to challenge them.
Nadal will be winning the French Open in his 40s.

I wonder deep down does he just find it too easy ?
like surely for him it must be like if you play some kid that sucked - just to get the easy win ... I know it;s not his fault, this is the "best" that the ATP can offer .

Also he has the US Open won and most likely the Australian Open.

It really shows you what a pitiful state the game is in that it was literally 100% sure he would win the French since the beginning of the year,
and 99.99% sure he will win the next 4/5/6 of them.

Federer is right to boycott Clay, it's a total and utter joke at this stage.
 

ChaelAZ

Legend
It has massive potential to be a very high level match, and is exactly the matchup I picked in my fantasy bracket. I am all for Nadal taking another and give him the edge, but only slightly. Also good with Thiem taking his first GS, deservingly so being the second best clay court player the last few years.

Ready for Sunday!


Probably posting from the court between sets.
 

WarrenMP

Professional
It is a win-win match. Nadal gets 11 RG or Thiem gets his 1st GS. My preference at the moment would like to see Thiem get his first. It would be nice for the up and coming generation start pushing out the current ATGs
 

ACE of Hearts

Talk Tennis Guru
He has zero chance .... zero ... they may as well send out a 3.5 sunday afternoon player.
The game is a JOKE at this stage, a 32 year old and a 36 year old DOMINATE the game with absolutely zero sign of any young guys stepping up to challenge them.
Nadal will be winning the French Open in his 40s.

I wonder deep down does he just find it too easy ?
like surely for him it must be like if you play some kid that sucked - just to get the easy win ... I know it;s not his fault, this is the "best" that the ATP can offer .

Also he has the US Open won and most likely the Australian Open.

It really shows you what a pitiful state the game is in that it was literally 100% sure he would win the French since the beginning of the year,
and 99.99% sure he will win the next 4/5/6 of them.

Federer is right to boycott Clay, it's a total and utter joke at this stage.
We have seen old players win slams before. Gimeno won RG at the age of 34. Rosewall was a phenom winning slams at an old age.
 

marc45

G.O.A.T.
Exactly. Those anticipating that Dom even has a chance are engaging in wishful thinking, "jinxing" or trollism at its highest level. I remember when Ferrer was in the final against Rafa, you had a fair amount of people posting, "Da-VEED has a real shot at this!" and he won something like 7 games.

The moment will overwhelm Thiem, Rafa will win the toss and elect to receive and DT will lose his serve right out the gates, and continue to self-disintegrate. It doesn't matter that he has the game and the fitness required to defeat Nadal, he doesn't have the necessary mental strength. Fed never had the mental strength to defeat Rafa at RG, so Thiem sure as hell doesn't have it.
can't remember the last time Nadal has chose to receive...I believe this was a Moya change and doubt he would go back

btw, one of the more unnoticed, or at least not talked about much, changes in Nadal's game since Moya came on...I guess what is there to say after saying he's changed, but it does show the OCD-ish Nadal is capable of change:)

was always kind of bizarre how he always chose to receive, can't think of another great or notable player who did?
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
Let's remember that Thiem nearly snatched defeat from the jaws of victory today, against a player he should have blown off the court. Up 4-3, then loses serve, has to break again to take the first set. Up 6-3 in the TB of second set, then almost loses that TB. Nadal cruised through almost effortlessly against Delpo.

We have to see how nerves and weather impact the final. There may be no final on Sunday. I'd say there is a 50/50 chance the final is pushed to Monday. More rain may help Thiem a bit.
 

aman92

Hall of Fame
He is the underdog but lol at people giving him no chance as if they know what minset Thiem will bring to the final. He certainly has the game to trouble Nadal but if they both bring their best games, Rafa will still win because he is the GOAT clay courter. Simple as that
 

FrontHeadlock

Hall of Fame
I think Thiem has a shot, but can we all agree that Thiem probably needs to win the 1st set if he's to win the match?

Hard to see him losing a set to Nadal and then needing to win 3/4.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
It has massive potential to be a very high level match.
Not to be sarcastic, but how so? Thiem has played Nadal six sets at RG and has won exactly 14 games total. Thiem beating Nadal in Madrid is pretty meaningless since Rafa has never liked that court and has lost repeatedly there. Thiem will have to red line it for 3-4 hours on Sunday and Nadal will have to be completely off his game in order for the upset to happen. And when was Rafa ever off his A game in an RG final?

Never. The closest was were the first sets in both 2006 and 2011.
 

sarmpas

Hall of Fame
Going by the Del Potro match scoreline it appears Rafa learnt from his mistake(s) against Schwartzman in round before.

I expect Nadal to start the match at maximum intensity and concentration. The shock tactics will force a reactive response from Thiem to up his game to his best level just to stay close in the set which he'll lose. Then during the sit down at the end of the set he'll mentally crash from the high he had in the first set, lamely lose the second set, might take the 3 and make it a 4 set match but probably Nadal wins in 3 sets.
 

HazBeen18

Rookie
I think Thiem has a shot, but can we all agree that Thiem probably needs to win the 1st set if he's to win the match?
Yeah, Thiem said this himself. Tough to beat Nadal on clay... and VERY tough if you lose the first set. If he wins the first set, I'd say the match is closer to "even" (though still tilting in Rafa's favor). If Thiem manages to also take either the 2nd or 3rd sets, I'd say the match is even money, because you have to feel that the age difference will start to show through. Rafa is a beast in 5-setters but Thiem is very fit and 8 years younger.
 

WarrenMP

Professional
I just hope this is a 5 setter. We had a 5 setter at AO. It only will be right to have a good long RG final.
 

Roddick85

Hall of Fame
I just don't see how Thiem can beat Rafa. It will be his first slam final, against the greatest clay court player of all time. I hope he surprises me and puts up a fight, but I'm expecting a straight sets affair in a little over 2 hours.
 

JMR

Hall of Fame
Federer is right to boycott Clay, it's a total and utter joke at this stage.
It doesn't make sense to justify a surface "boycott" on the grounds that no one on the tour can beat the top dog on the surface, if you can't beat him either. That wouldn't be a boycott -- that would be running away.

In any case, I don't think Federer's skipping the clay season is intended as a boycott as you mean it, nor as a commentary on the sad state of competition on clay. He is too old and too subject to being worn down or injured in grindathons to make it prudent to play. That judgment may not be infallible, and some may criticize it for the hole it creates in the draws, but I think it's reasonable. What all the other guys do on clay is not Fed's concern.
 

Tennisgods

Hall of Fame
I think the biggest factor will be this rather than playing Nadal. I also think thats why playing Nadal will help him because you can have the mind set that ı have nothing to lose which in a way helpful. I think Thiem would be more nervous ıf he plays the final with another person.
I just can’t see him winning. I really can’t. Nadal is simply the better player and will likely bring something like his best, which will be far too good for Thiem. Besides, there is no possible way Thiem will have the belief he can beat Rafa in a five set final at RG. As others have said, it’s unreasonable to expect him to bridge that gap mentally.

Give it 2 years and he can win RG. There’s a less than 3% chance he wins on Sunday and that’s generous.

Not happening.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
The problem is that Thiem under performs in major finals.He doesnt bring the high level there like in Madrid final this year.If the conditions are damp on Sunday and Thiem brings high level and Nadal is slightly off ,I believe he have real chance in the final
The sample is small but still - he did underperform in the Madrid final this year but definitely didn't last year.
 

big ted

Hall of Fame
Yeah, Thiem said this himself. Tough to beat Nadal on clay... and VERY tough if you lose the first set. If he wins the first set, I'd say the match is closer to "even" (though still tilting in Rafa's favor). If Thiem manages to also take either the 2nd or 3rd sets, I'd say the match is even money, because you have to feel that the age difference will start to show through. Rafa is a beast in 5-setters but Thiem is very fit and 8 years younger.
not only does thiem need to win the 1st set but it also cant rain after that..
 

AlexanderTheGreat08

Hall of Fame
Exactly. Those anticipating that Dom even has a chance are engaging in wishful thinking, "jinxing" or trollism at its highest level. I remember when Ferrer was in the final against Rafa, you had a fair amount of people posting, "Da-VEED has a real shot at this!" and he won something like 7 games.

The moment will overwhelm Thiem, Rafa will win the toss and elect to receive and DT will lose his serve right out the gates, and continue to self-disintegrate. It doesn't matter that he has the game and the fitness required to defeat Nadal, he doesn't have the necessary mental strength. Fed never had the mental strength to defeat Rafa at RG, so Thiem sure as hell doesn't have it.
Don’t say that , We need to hope for a great match , Hype Thiem and get people excited
 

mistik

Hall of Fame
I just can’t see him winning. I really can’t. Nadal is simply the better player and will likely bring something like his best, which will be far too good for Thiem. Besides, there is no possible way Thiem will have the belief he can beat Rafa in a five set final at RG. As others have said, it’s unreasonable to expect him to bridge that gap mentally.

Give it 2 years and he can win RG. There’s a less than 3% chance he wins on Sunday and that’s generous.

Not happening.
Anything can happen remember AO final against Wawrinka a guy Rafa never lost a set before. All streaks has bound to end. Rafa at his best Thıem at his best for sure there can be only one winner.My personal feeling is that Rafa isnt playing all that well so it is up to Thiem to ask the question. Rafa making many errors and ı feel he doesnt like to play with people who has great defence any more it is tiring for him.
 

Service Ace

Hall of Fame
He is the underdog but lol at people giving him no chance as if they know what minset Thiem will bring to the final. He certainly has the game to trouble Nadal but if they both bring their best games, Rafa will still win because he is the GOAT clay courter. Simple as that
Translation: He has no chance but watch me make this bowl of word soup so I can both criticize the doubters while at the same time agree with them.
 

Tennisgods

Hall of Fame
Anything can happen remember AO final against Wawrinka a guy Rafa never lost a set before. All streaks has bound to end. Rafa at his best Thıem at his best for sure there can be only one winner.My personal feeling is that Rafa isnt playing all that well so it is up to Thiem to ask the question. Rafa making many errors and ı feel he doesnt like to play with people who has great defence any more it is tiring for him.
I would agree Rafa hasn’t been at his best this FO, I didn’t see today’s match but sounds like he won pretty comfortably. I think he has enough to handle Thiem, but i’m certainly going to watch to find out...
 

Firstservingman

Talk Tennis Guru
Enough of this "Nadal will win forever, he's too good" stuff :rolleyes:

Seems to be a mixture of overconfident VB folks and, I have to admit, salty Fed fans (jinxing or something).

Nadal is obviously the heavy favourite though, doesn't take a genius to see that. But Nadal at RG isn't magic. His matches aren't rigged or anything. He wins them all by being the better player on the day the vast majority of the time, and occasionally he won't be.

He looked the same as always in the early rounds in 2009 and 2015, until Soderling and Djokovic shut him down like it was nothing. Due to his quality it doesn't happen often, but all it takes is for the opponent to be playing well enough. There's no magic.
 

Service Ace

Hall of Fame
Enough of this "Nadal will win forever, he's too good" stuff :rolleyes:

Seems to be a mixture of overconfident VB folks and, I have to admit, salty Fed fans (jinxing or something).

Nadal is obviously the heavy favourite though, doesn't take a genius to see that. But Nadal at RG isn't magic. His matches aren't rigged or anything. He wins them all by being the better player on the day the vast majority of the time, and occasionally he won't be.

He looked the same as always in the early rounds in 2009 and 2015, until Soderling and Djokovic shut him down like it was nothing. Due to his quality it doesn't happen often, but all it takes is for the opponent to be playing well enough. There's no magic.
Another poster more interested in criticizing the (rightful) doubters than putting his money where his mouth is :rolleyes:

Amazing how you managed to say all that without ever picking Thiem to win lol
 

jackdaw

Rookie
We have seen old players win slams before. Gimeno won RG at the age of 34. Rosewall was a phenom winning slams at an old age.
Have we ever had the YOUNGEST slam winning players playing on tour being in their 30s ???

Don't fool yourself, the only reason NAdal and Federer are still on top is because the new talent is a complete and utter joke.
Only guys that could barely challenge them (Djokovic and Murray) have just gone completely off the radar.

The US Open is done .

Nadal has it won ... and if you think im trolling , let me ask - what has changed since last year ???

Nothing - still the young guys are useless.
 
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Deleted member 716271

Guest
I honestly believe there is a better chance Rafa falls ill and forfeits than he plays and Thiem beats him.

Anyways, both are infinitesimally small odds.

17 will be here shortly

:cool:
 

ACE of Hearts

Talk Tennis Guru
Have we ever had the YOUNGEST slam winning players playing on tour being in their 30s ???

Don't fool yourself, the only reason NAdal and Federer are still on top is because the new talent is a complete and utter joke.
Only guys that could barely challenge them (Djokovic and Murray) have just gone completely off the radar.

The US Open is done .

Nadal has it won ... and if you think im trolling , let me ask - what has changed since last year ???

Nothing - still the young guys are useless.
Yes you wanna see the young guys step up and do some damage but i think you selling these old guys short. Tell me something you think thiem should beat nadal on Sunday just because he’s much younger?
 

jackdaw

Rookie
Yes you wanna see the young guys step up and do some damage but i think you selling these old guys short. Tell me something you think thiem should beat nadal on Sunday just because he’s much younger?
It's not about Thiem specifically , it's a general trend.
It's just too easy for them.
I also actually think |Nadal is doping to ****, but i've had posts deleted over this ...
 

ACE of Hearts

Talk Tennis Guru
It's not about Thiem specifically , it's a general trend.
It's just too easy for them.
I also actually think |Nadal is doping to ****, but i've had posts deleted over this ...
Lol that’s another story. Who are you a fan of? Just curious. I do agree that these young guys should have more fight.
 

Feather

Legend
Thiem has a shot. In my view, both players enter the final with plenty of confidence and can win the match even if they lose the first set. Key for Thiem will be to stay focused and not get frustrated by losing a set or going down a break.
I don't think so. I do believe that Thiem has a shot to win the matvh but he has to win the first set. There is no way on earth, he is going to win three sets out of the last four and win the match.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
I think these two players are quite evenly matched. If they were the same age, however, I don't think Thiem could win.
 

Shaolin

G.O.A.T.
Thiem will come out all guns blazing and maybe take the first set.

Then Rafa will get it together and brutalize Theim's backhand until there is nothing left.

GSM Rafa, again, zzzzzzz, snore
 
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