"If WADA tells you, 'It's a 2-year suspension', you answer: 'No, I want 1 month'. I hope that this will set a precedent."

[weakera]

Edited, double thread.

Medvedev on the Sinner-WADA settlement: from now on, if WADA tell you: 'we found this, it's two years', you answer: 'no, I want a month' :}

Medvedev still not over AO 248-B

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[messiahrobins]

Problem for Meddy bear is given he keeps getting butt whipped by Sinner, understandably he will want Sinner banned for 10 years. He cannot beat Sinner on the court so needs help off it, so in fairness to him, you cannot blame his stance as it is one of self interest.

 

[nov]

Problem for Meddy bear is given he keeps getting butt whipped by Sinner, understandably he will want Sinner banned for 10 years. He cannot beat Sinner on the court so needs help off it, so in fairness to him, you cannot blame his stance as it is one of self interest.

Dude lost AO final while Sinner doped to preprare for that. Of course hes mad. Wouldn't you?

 

[Drighiz]

That's totally not how it is. Should be more along the lines of "If WADA want a 2- year suspension but you are judged to bear no fault or negligence, you can voluntarily suspend yourself to cut the crap and move on". How are you guys happy with yourself while twisting the facts is beyond me. WADA does not tell a player their suspension!!

 

[Service Ace]

Problem for Meddy bear is given he keeps getting butt whipped by Sinner, understandably he will want Sinner banned for 10 years. He cannot beat Sinner on the court so needs help off it, so in fairness to him, you cannot blame his stance as it is one of self interest.

I’d be upset too if the only reason I wasn’t a two time slam champion is because a known doper outlasted me in a best of 5 final due to cheating that was only discovered months after and for which he faced a “penalty” of no real consequence.

 

[messiahrobins]

I’d be upset too if the only reason I wasn’t a two time slam champion is because a known doper outlasted me in a best of 5 final due to cheating that was only discovered months after and for which he faced a “penalty” of no real consequence.

He didnt cheat though, thats been proven. Not perfornmance enhancing

 

[messiahrobins]

Dude lost AO final while Sinner doped to preprare for that. Of course hes mad. Wouldn't you?

Didnt enhance his performance, WADA accept that

 

[TheSlicer]

Problem for Meddy bear is given he keeps getting butt whipped by Sinner, understandably he will want Sinner banned for 10 years. He cannot beat Sinner on the court so needs help off it, so in fairness to him, you cannot blame his stance as it is one of self interest.

so is his opinion gonna make sinner stay banned longer? yeah that makes sense

 

[TheSlicer]

Didnt enhance his performance, WADA accept that

yeah the problem is that it doest work like that, obviously the billionth of a gram is not gonna enhance his performance, and thats what they agreed on, but once that is found into your blood youre suspect of having a doping system were there just happened to be a miscalculation, just like Contador, the same amount of clembuterol was found in his blood, the guy was doing blood tranfusions, that blood was from pre season, and in the pre season he was using clembuterol for losing weight without losing muscle, a miscalculation made that some of that blood from pre season still contained a very minuscul quantity of the chemical, but oh well, its so small that it didnt enhance his performance right? once you fail a dopping test you can give any excuse you want, the doubt will always be there, specially if your story is a about how your elite physio uses a cream in his hands with a big doping logo on it, plausible? maybe, but what are the chances you know?

 

[messiahrobins]

yeah the problem is that it doest work like that, obviously the billionth of a gram is not gonna enhance his performance, and thats what they agreed in, but once that is found into your blood youre suspect of having a doping system were there just happened to be a miscalculation, just like contador, the same amount of clembuterol was found in his blood, the guy was doing blood transplants, that blood was from preseason, and in the pre season he was using clembuterol for losing weight without losing muscle, a miscalculation made thats some of that blood from pre season still contained a very minuscul quantity of the chemical, but oh well, its so small that it didnt enhance his performance right? once you faile a dope test you can give any excuse you want, the doubt will always be there, specially if your story is a about how your elite physio uses a cream in his hands with a big doping logo on it, plausible? maybe, but what are the chances you know?

He failed one test (or two i think). Players are regularly tested (albeit i think the next big story will be about a big name(s) on ATP tour and WTA getting away skipping tests regularly over past 15 or so years) so nothing to cast doubt over Sinner really. He clearly didnt cheat.

 

[Subway Tennis]

@roysid - you were correct about Medvedev being in camp Djokovic about this.

 

[TheSlicer]

He failed one test (or two i think). Players are regularly tested (albeit i think the next big story will be about a big name(s) on ATP tour and WTA getting away skipping tests regularly over past 15 or so years) so nothing to cast doubt over Sinner really. He clearly didnt cheat.

Look man, we can obviously give sinner the benefit of the doubt and we can obviously have our opinión that he didnt cheat based on the little we know about him, which is basically his public image, but by no means we can state that he clearly didnt cheat, just the same we cant say we know 100% that he did, the organisms that judged that found his story "plausible" but even them cant be 100 per cent sure, just that what they had was not enough to ban him for 2 years which would basically destroy his career.
About players being regularly tested, well, cyclists are tested even more, and still a lot of them got away with It, and not only hiding positives, but by a lot of precise methods to hide whatever is in the blood, anyway, i also find hard to think a player like sinner would do that, but then when you think about It, we dont really know him, he even might have been misguided by his team, the posibilities are endless, all this to say, we can never be sure, only he and his team know, its pointless to tell ourselves, oh sure he didnt cheat, or, oh he for sure did, the reality for good or bad is that we Will never know.

 

[Bartelby]

Failing two tests is cheating. Otherwise Sinner would not be punished, however inadequately.

He failed one test (or two i think). Players are regularly tested (albeit i think the next big story will be about a big name(s) on ATP tour and WTA getting away skipping tests regularly over past 15 or so years) so nothing to cast doubt over Sinner really. He clearly didnt cheat.

 

[Megafanoftennis100]

Sinner is completely innocent, and it is indisputable. End of.

 

[messiahrobins]

Failing two tests is cheating. Otherwise Sinner would not be punished, however inadequately.

If you do not gain an advantage how is it cheating. WADA said he didnt cheat.

 

[messiahrobins]

Look man, we can obviously give sinner the benefit of the doubt and we can obviously have our opinión that he didnt cheat based on the little we know about him, which is basically his public image, but by no means we can state that he clearly didnt cheat, just the same we cant say we know 100% that he did, the organisms that judged that found his story "plausible" but even them cant be 100 per cent sure, just that what they had was not enough to ban him for 2 years which would basically destroy his career.
About players being regularly tested, well, cyclists are tested even more, and still a lot of them got away with It, and not only hiding positives, but by a lot of precise methods to hide whatever is in the blood, anyway, i also find hard to think a player like sinner would do that, but then when you think about It, we dont really know him, he even might have been misguided by his team, the posibilities are endless, all this to say, we can never be sure, only he and his team know, its pointless to tell ourselves, oh sure he didnt cheat, or, oh he for sure did, the reality for good or bad is that we Will never know.

WADA said he didnt cheat!! That was the actual finding!

 

[Bartelby]

"Cheat" is not a legal term so they don't use popular expressions usually. He was caught doping twice and received an inadequate three months ban.

That indicates Sinner is in the wrong.

WADA said he didnt cheat!! That was the actual finding!

 

[messiahrobins]

"Cheat" is not a legal term so they don't use popular expressions usually. He was caught doping twice and received an inadequate three months ban.

That indicates Sinner is in the wrong.

Negligence is not cheating. He negligently had a minimal amount of a banned substance in him that did not enhance his performance. That is universally accepted as fact.