IF you could change the outcome of 3 Open Era Tennis Matches, what would they be ?

[Djokodalerer31]

[QUOTE="Sudacafan, post: 17151306, member: 75

1970 Wimbledon Final
2021 USO Final
2009 Wimbledon Final

I think you meant 1980 Wimbledon final and not 1970 one...there wasn't anything special about Newcombe vs. Rosewall Wimbeldon final, unless you are a fan of transitional era...Borg vs. McEnroe final on another hand yeah...now we are talking serious bussiness!

 

[fishpiefriday]

US Open 2008 final, 2016 Roland-Garros final, 2012 Wimbledon final.

 

[Mustard]

Agassi's worst nightmare right there, even at the 1990 US Open final when Agassi had a "deer in the headlights" look for most of the match.

 

[Deleted member 629564]

But you are right, 1 outcome changed might affect the motivation levels or preparation or outcomes of other events too...

Agree.

One match could enable a butterfly effect.
Two matches could kill a loser's confidence for good.

My picks:
RG05 SF
RG06 F
AO08 SF

In this scenario Federer keeps Nadal slamless until RG07 and sets their Major H2H 4-1 after WIM07 (instead of the real 2-3 in Nadal's favour). That would have limited Nadal's self-confidence massively.
Federer defeating Djokovic in 2008 SF would have stripped the latter from his maiden slam title and made him slamless until AO11. Federer leading H2H 8-1 in spring 2009 would have stopped Djokovic very early.

Slam achievements before RG08:
Federer 15 (incl. 2006 CYGS)
Nadal 1
Djokovic none

Very likely current slam race status after three above changes with a late impact:
Federer ~45
Nadal ~9
Djokovic ~5

 

[DIMI_D]

1) Wimby SF 18 for nadal
2) RG SF 96 for Sampras providing he wins the final
3) A lot of AO finals come to mind for nadal come to mind but in a way any of them changing makes AO 22 less special in a way as at the end all the heartbreak is rectified… AO 12, 14 and 17 hurt a lot I would say 17 AO F Vs Fed

 

[MichaelNadal]

no way what tennis has been suffering in recent years was meant to happen... this tragedy needs to be fixed

Lament, bestie

 

[WeekendTennisHack]

FO2006 would have changed the landscape for good.

 

[vive le beau jeu !]

But in Back to the Future, he had to keep everything the same. Lol.

the reality is more complex... it's a fusion of everything!

FO2006 would have changed the landscape for good.

i know, right?... like nipping the topsping plague in the bud!

 

[Razer]

Agree.

One match could enable a butterfly effect.
Two matches could kill a loser's confidence for good.

My picks:
RG05 SF
RG06 F
AO08 SF

In this scenario Federer keeps Nadal slamless until RG07 and sets their Major H2H 4-1 after WIM07 (instead of the real 2-3 in Nadal's favour). That would have limited Nadal's self-confidence massively.
Federer defeating Djokovic in 2008 SF would have stripped the latter from his maiden slam title and made him slamless until AO11. Federer leading H2H 8-1 in spring 2009 would have stopped Djokovic very early.

Slam achievements before RG08:
Federer 15 (incl. 2006 CYGS)
Nadal 1
Djokovic none

Very likely current slam race status after three above changes with a late impact:
Federer ~45
Nadal ~9
Djokovic ~5

Nadal and Djokovic are way too tough to become losers with 1-2 loses here and there early on, they are not the 1990s gen. Nadal would still just turn 21 years old in 2007, he isn't going anywhere, he would mercilessly target Fed's backhand and bully him. Rafa was way too fast and explosive to be stopped by Federer with his tiny racquet. Djokovic too cannot be stopped, he is even tougher than Nadal, he had been dodging bombs during childhood and had stood in line for bread and water during war times, he is more hungry for success than anyone. I would say Roger is lucky to have Nadal injured in 09 and Novak in 17, that gave him some extra slams, otherwise things would have looked even worse I am afraid.

 

[NatF]

AO 05 F
RG 13 SF
16 W QF (cuz my boy Tsonga deserved one and so did Berdych so win-win unless Raomug wins)

1000x this.

 

[InsuranceMan]

Wimbledon 2009
FO 2009
AO 2017

Lmaoooo

 

[ultimathule]

US Open final 1981 - If Borg had won, he wouldn't have retired, I'm sure of it.
French Open final 2004 - So sad to see Coria lose which adversely affected the rest of his career.
Wimbledon final 2019 - The way the fans treated Djokovic, I wanted him to win. At the same time, I inwardly cried with Federer.

 

[Sephiroth]

2018 Wimbledon by a mile

would've changed the entire universe.

 

[Mustard]

2018 Wimbledon by a mile

would've changed the entire universe.

Would have sent Djokovic back to Cecchinato land

 

[toby55555]

1993 Hamburg QF, Seles doesn’t get stabbed at least.
2004 RG SF, Henman doesn’t let slip a 2-1 set 4-2 game lead.
2020 USO 4th round; lineswoman is standing a foot either way….

 

[Slicehand]

Wimbledon final 2019 x3

 

[Fedeonic]

Of course the Wimbledon 2019 final is the only correct answer, but I'd add two more matches that are not major:
-Stuttgart 2016 vs Thiem: Roger would surely have won the final against Kohlschreiber and have a 19 year streak of at least one title won.
-Indian Wells 2018 vs Del Potro: I was never a big fan of Juan, and it would have been a massive hole on Delpo's resume to not have won a M1000, but if Federer had managed to win that final, he could have extended his weeks N°1.
-Wimbledon 2019 vs Djokovic: Having the Nadalovic double kill, a then record 21 Grand Slams and the oldest ever major champion are something that I still cheat my mind saying that Federer was robbed of the title.

 

[SonnyT]

2011 RG SF
2012 UO F
2013 RG SF

 

[Mustard]

2004 RG SF, Henman doesn’t let slip a 2-1 set 4-2 game lead.

1. It was 6-3, 4-2 to Henman, with Henman executing a near perfect serve and volley game
2. Coria then won 13 games in a row to lead 3-6, 6-4, 6-0, 3-0
3. Henman then won 5 games in a row to lead 5-3 in the fourth set
4. Coria then won 4 games in a row to win the match 3-6, 6-4, 6-0, 7-5.

 

[kishnabe]

All Gentleman Singles:

2008 Wimbledon Final

2009 Wimbledon Final

2019 Wimbledon Final

 

[DSH]

That is 4 slams, you can pick only 3.
IF I were you then I would let Federer keep AO2017. I will take W07 from Fed and take AO12 + W18 from Novak.

Now the resume looks like a clear GOAT resume.

4 Wimbledons, 3 Aus opens, 14 french opens and 4 US opens.

If only it were true...

 

[Oceans II]

Nadal Soderling RG09. Dont think Fed deserves his CGS without going through Nadal
Djokovic Carreno Busta USO20.
Unsure about #3. Maybe Federer Cilic AO18. Matches where injustice took place.

 

[DSH]

Agree.

One match could enable a butterfly effect.
Two matches could kill a loser's confidence for good.

My picks:
RG05 SF
RG06 F
AO08 SF

In this scenario Federer keeps Nadal slamless until RG07 and sets their Major H2H 4-1 after WIM07 (instead of the real 2-3 in Nadal's favour). That would have limited Nadal's self-confidence massively.
Federer defeating Djokovic in 2008 SF would have stripped the latter from his maiden slam title and made him slamless until AO11. Federer leading H2H 8-1 in spring 2009 would have stopped Djokovic very early.

Slam achievements before RG08:
Federer 15 (incl. 2006 CYGS)
Nadal 1
Djokovic none

Very likely current slam race status after three above changes with a late impact:
Federer ~45
Nadal ~9
Djokovic ~5

That's not how it works and 45 is a figure taken from science fiction.

 

[Robert F]

Being a Fed Fan, I was thinking of three that would elevated his legacy.

2019 Wimbeldon Final--getting another title late in his age against Djoker would say a lot.
2008 Roland Garros Final--getting one against Nadal in Paris would really add weight to the resume. Plus, some fun irony if Fed takes RG and Nadal gets Wimby in their classic.
2015 US Open Final--Fed steals another one from Djoker instead of Djoker stealing them from him.

I always felt Fed should have gotten one more at the US Open. Oz 2009 is another one to consider to beef up his Oz resume.

 

[fedfan24]

Nadal Soderling RG09. Dont think Fed deserves his CGS without going through Nadal
Djokovic Carreno Busta USO20.
Unsure about #3. Maybe Federer Cilic AO18. Matches where injustice took place.

Hahahahahaha

djokovic loses ao13/20, w18/19, rg21 to start with. many more lucky slams to go with that

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

I would change

- 2008 Wimbledon final
- 2009 Aus Open final
- 2019 Wimbledon final

What about you ?

2012 AO F
2018 Wimbledon SF
2021 RG SF

 

[FRV4]

Federer vs Murray Olympic gold medal match
Djokovic vs Medvedev US Open potential CYGS year
Nadal vs Rosol 2012 Wimbledon cuz that is too embarrassing

 

[Rosstour]

I would change

- 2008 Wimbledon final
- 2009 Aus Open final
- 2019 Wimbledon final

What about you ?

Probably the same ones but maybe sub 2009Oz for Wimbledon 2014.

I knew in 2009 that Fed wasn't done and sure enough he won the Channel Slam and the CGS that year.

But in 2014, I was feeling like it was his last chance, and it was a torturous two years until the 2017 miracle. Especially after the 2016 W SF

 

[Nadal_King]

1. Wimbledon 2018 Sf- Rafa-Nole
2. Rg 2016 Final
3. Rg 2021 Sf- Rafa- Nole

 

[MichaelNadal]

Miami 2005
WTF 2013
Wimbledon 2011

 

[Herald]

'96 RG PETE semi
2009 Wimbers final
2021 USO final

 

[Pheasant]

1. 1984 FO final. Come on, Mcenroe. You need to close out the match at 2-1, 4-2 vs Lendl.
2. 2008 WI final. If Fed wins that, then we are talking about 6 straight WI titles. Make that 7 straight after the 2009 WI tourney

3. 2005 AO semi. If Fred wins that, then he most certainly wins the 2005 final, which makes 4 straight AO titles from 2004-2007, which makes 3 straight years of 3 slam titles. That makes 2005 an 82-3 season, which ties McEnroe for the best winning pct for a season.

 

[Herald]

1. Wimbledon 2019 final
2. Wimbledon 2019 final
3. Wimbledon 2019 final

Federer lost that one

 

[The Guru]

1000x this.

I was so pissed. Got my hopes up so much after Fed lost it was probably the most heartbreaking loss I experienced as a childhood sports fan (maybe the 04 WS but at least that wasn't close). I was cursing at the tv so much my parents turned the TV off and wouldn't let me watch so I had to sneak into their room to watch the end just to have Hewitt lose.

 

[LaVie en Rose]

Even if I had the power, I would not change any of them.

You get it !No wishful thinking will change loses, there is reason they happened. Being sad/upset shortly then tip your hat to opponent & move on ,

Nadal Soderling RG09. Dont think Fed deserves his CGS without going through Nadal
Djokovic Carreno Busta USO20.
Unsure about #3. Maybe Federer Cilic AO18. Matches where injustice took place.

F**ed up syncopaths on here cry Djokovic got night matches this year when it was not even hot. In fact quite cold for Aus summer so he didn’t have advantage over field except when it was raining . AO 2018 was outrageous.Players have been baked ,collapsing under scorching sun temp above 40C ,Halep even ended in hospital bec TD refused to close the roof for many day matches .Yet for final night match found wet bulb index 0,1 above threshold to close it.And Cilic beiing told just h before match while Federer practiced indoors since Friday

 

[Enceladus]

But in Back to the Future, he had to keep everything the same. Lol.

Have you seen Back to the Future @Hitman? Some things Marty changed.

 

[Razer]

Probably the same ones but maybe sub 2009Oz for Wimbledon 2014.

I knew in 2009 that Fed wasn't done and sure enough he won the Channel Slam and the CGS that year.

But in 2014, I was feeling like it was his last chance, and it was a torturous two years until the 2017 miracle. Especially after the 2016 W SF

I have a better idea @Rosstour , leave Novak's wimbledons alone, instead make Federer's Peak years stronger. You have too much anger for Novak but the person you should be angry on is Nadal himself, he is the one who stopped Federer from becoming a true GOD.

Take 2006FO, 2007FO and 2008FO as the 3 Slams.
As a Bonus you get 2008W, 2009AO and 2011FO too because Nadal would be shattered as a result of those French losses, he will become Federer's pigeon.

Now Fed's resume will look like this with 26 Slams. Djokovic will struggle to get past this, even if he somehow sneaks past 26 people will still always remember Federer for the next 40 years.

 

[Breakpointerer]

Honorable mention: 2009 Wim F - Federer didn't deserve to win this match

Lmao

 

[NatF]

I was so pissed. Got my hopes up so much after Fed lost it was probably the most heartbreaking loss I experienced as a childhood sports fan (maybe the 04 WS but at least that wasn't close). I was cursing at the tv so much my parents turned the TV off and wouldn't let me watch so I had to sneak into their room to watch the end just to have Hewitt lose.

Dominated the first set as well and had a break in the third iirc. Dared us all to believe.

Safin was too talented for one slam just wish it didn't come at Lleyton's expense, especially after the run he had to the final.

 

[BauerAlmeida]

Dominated the first set as well and had a break in the third iirc.

Hewitt was a break up in the 3rd and since then Safin hardly lost games, played totally flawless.

AO 05 F

Epic run to the final from Hewitt beating Nadal, Nalbandian and Roddick in close matches.

If he wasn't playing Safin I would have rooted for him to win.

1999 WB final (NCYGS for Agassi do you realize how absurd that would be)

This would have been crazy.

He was only one match away from holding the 4 slams in that era.

2004 RG SF, Henman doesn’t let slip a 2-1 set 4-2 game lead.
.

Would Henman beat Gaudio though, both are total headcases but on clay Gaudio is much better.

1. It was 6-3, 4-2 to Henman, with Henman executing a near perfect serve and volley game
2. Coria then won 13 games in a row to lead 3-6, 6-4, 6-0, 3-0
3. Henman then won 5 games in a row to lead 5-3 in the fourth set
4. Coria then won 4 games in a row to win the match 3-6, 6-4, 6-0, 7-5.

I remember that match, it was pretty crazy. Coria showed shades of the choking he would do in the final. He played a flawless tournament until the QF but in the SF he was a different player. Similar to what happened in 2003 where he was playing brilliantly and lost in the SF to a much inferior player.

 

[NatF]

Hewitt was a break up in the 3rd and since then Safin hardly lost games, played totally flawless.

Yeah Hewitt played well but when Safin found the gear he had in the 4th and 5th of the SF he never looked back.

 

[BorgTheGOAT]

1980 USO final
1981 Wimbledon final
2021 USO final

 

[Deleted member 765728]

1980 USO final
1989 FO final
2006 Rome final

 

[PerilousPear]

AO 09 F
RG 10 F
AO 22 F

 

[toby55555]

Hewitt was a break up in the 3rd and since then Safin hardly lost games, played totally flawless.






Epic run to the final from Hewitt beating Nadal, Nalbandian and Roddick in close matches.

If he wasn't playing Safin I would have rooted for him to win.




This would have been crazy.

He was only one match away from holding the 4 slams in that era.




Would Henman beat Gaudio though, both are total headcases but on clay Gaudio is much better.





I remember that match, it was pretty crazy. Coria showed shades of the choking he would do in the final. He played a flawless tournament until the QF but in the SF he was a different player. Similar to what happened in 2003 where he was playing brilliantly and lost in the SF to a much inferior player.

Whether he won or not it would have been a first GS final for Henman.

 

[Djokovic2011]

1. Wimbledon 2012 women's final (Radwanska instead of Williams)
2. RG 1989 women's final (Graf instead of Sanchez-Vicario)
3. AO 2017 men's final (Nadal instead of Federer)

Your taste in tennis players is the complete opposite to mine lol.

 

[RaulRamirez]

You can break the entire Universe if you go back and change something....ever heard of Flashpoint?

Match Point?

 

[RaulRamirez]

Would have sent Djokovic back to Cecchinato land

Disagree. Yes, it would've been great for Rafa, but just the way Novak was competing again, you sensed he was back -- healthier physically and mentally than before

 

[BauerAlmeida]

2018 Wimbledon by a mile

would've changed the entire universe.

This is one of the matches that has potential to have huge ramifications if changed. Same as, say, Wimbledon 2008.


Djokovic loses this and maybe he doesn't win the USO and arrives at the AO without having won a slam in a long time and with a lot of pressure. Maybe he never joins the slam race with Federer having a huge advantage and Nadal making it bigger while being almost the same age. Winning that 3rd and 5th set changed his career.

 

[thrust]

I think you meant 1980 Wimbledon final and not 1970 one...there wasn't anything special about Newcombe vs. Rosewall Wimbeldon final, unless you are a fan of transitional era...Borg vs. McEnroe final on another hand yeah...now we are talking serious bussiness!

It was a 5 set match. Rosewall at 35, had lost 11 of his prime years playing the slams while he was on the pro tour. It was his last chance, primarily due to Connors, to win Wimbledon as he did reach the final 4 years later but lost to a much younger ATG in the final.