If you could change the outcome of one match

kishnabe said:
2007,11 FO. 08,14,15 SW19. 15 US.

Even US 10,11 SF for Federer. Would have loved just to see one Fedal US open final...even if it meant Nadal beating Federer. Most likely will be the only slam they won't play against each other.
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Unless they somehow manage to meet this year, but I feel like that window has closed.
 
Big_Dangerous said:
Unless they somehow manage to meet this year, but I feel like that window has closed.
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Djokovic is the only member of the big four to have played all the remaining members at all four slams.
Rafa v Roger missing from USO
Roger v Andy missing from RG
 
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@KINGROGER I have a feeling you haven't watched many Fed matches......

And if Rog is the GOAT (which I'm not saying he isn't) surely he must able to deal with simple moonballs the way you describe it.
 
Hitman said:
Djokovic is the only member of the big four to have played all the remaining members at all four slams.
Rafa v Roger missing from USO
Roger v Andy missing from RG
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And the only one to have Rafa Slam + Roger Slam. The only thing left to do is beat Murray at Wimbledon. 11/12 for him.
10/12 for Nadal.
8/12 for Federer.
5/12 for Murray.
 
If there was only one women's match I'd change the outcome of it'd definitely be the '94 Wimbledon final. Martina playing her last ever SW19 and riding off into the sunset with an incredible 10th title would've been such a fairytale ending to what was a remarkable career but unfortunately Martinez had other plans that day and decided to ruin the party by GOATing on the backhand pass. :mad:;)

The '95 USO final would be right up there as well given everything Monica had been through the previous two years and that she'd only returned to the tour a month earlier. Oh well, no one ever said life was fair. :(
 
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Rafa the King said:
@KINGROGER I have a feeling you haven't watched many Fed matches......

And if Rog is the GOAT (which I'm not saying he isn't) surely he must able to deal with simple moonballs the way you describe it.
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He did deal with moonballs at the elite wimby surface (except for 08 cus of mono) but on the high bouncing peasant clay surface he couldn't do it. His one Achilles heel.

Even GOATs have weaknesses my friend.
 
2016 FO final. Stops Novak holding/winning all 4 and gives Murray a slam on all surfaces.

The malicious part of me says Fed's FO win just because since he'll never win it again it would be an amusing hole in his case for goat and the fanboys would go mad
 
metsman said:
how bout we change 09 and also 12? Deal? ;)
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Wilhelm said:
RG 2011. Still can't believe Fed lost that first set after being 5-2 up.
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Lol, have you ever seen peak KOC?
 
Wilander did say Djokovic could be playing the best clay court tennis ever after being Nadal in 2015. So, who knows? :D:p
 
Under the OP´s rules: the final of Wimbledon 2008.Think about it 7 straight and 8 overall titles for Federer, both would be all time records.
 
As a Fed fan, going by the rules from OP, i'll pick :
RG06 Final or Wimb 08 Final.
Both have huge impact:
RG06 gives Federer a CYGS and probably the best season ever played.
Wimb 08 gives him 7 straight wins at Wimbledon, just as said by Cenarius.

It's not his worst defeats in both cases (i'd go for AO09 or USO09 on that matter) but, if won, they would have meant a lot more on a broader perspective.
 
uliks said:
USO 2007 for sure. Djokovic was so close in that match with the so called Peak invincible, amazing, mythical creature Federer and he wasn't even the half player that he is today. For the better part of that match he was the better player of the two, but his big match inexperience was kinda the decisive factor that day I feel.
Wonder what would have been the excuse in that case. No mono BS, no slow court argument, no age or decline excuses. But knowing the resident Federer nutjobs probably some virus or back problem would have occured 6 months later!
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You're wondering what the excuse would have been in case the match wasn't a straight set win for Federer? Are you listening to yourself?
 
AO 2012 or Wimby 2011.
The former for the Double Career Slam (though technically speaking, he hadn't won his second USO then).
The latter would've meant that he is a better player than Djokovic on grass (retrospectively speaking, that is assuming Djoker doesn't win any more Wimbledons - won't bet on it mind you) and also a better grass player peak for peak than Nole. So he would've been clearly better than Nole on 2 of the 3 surfaces instead of just 1 as it stands right now. Also if he had won that match, it would've perhaps changed the dynamics of their USO 2011 and AO 2012 encounters as well (not saying he'd have won definitely but he probably would've had more confidence wrapping up that 5th set at Melbourne had he not been 0-6 vs Djokovic going into that match). So on balance, I'd probably go with Wimby 2011.
 
shankster said:
AO 2012 or Wimby 2011.
The former for the Double Career Slam (though technically speaking, he hadn't won his second USO then).
The latter would've meant that he is a better player than Djokovic on grass (retrospectively speaking, that is assuming Djoker doesn't win any more Wimbledons - won't bet on it mind you) and also a better grass player peak for peak than Nole. So he would've been clearly better than Nole on 2 of the 3 surfaces instead of just 1 as it stands right now. Also if he had won that match, it would've perhaps changed the dynamics of their USO 2011 and AO 2012 encounters as well (not saying he'd have won definitely but he probably would've had more confidence wrapping up that 5th set at Melbourne had he not been 0-6 vs Djokovic going into that match). So on balance, I'd probably go with Wimby 2011.
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He went through peak Fed, 2-1 on grass and more finals. Deffo case to be made
 
Rafa the King said:
He went through peak Fed, 2-1 on grass and more finals. Deffo case to be made
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Let's see...

Djokovic = 3W + 1F + 3 SF + QF,
Nadal = 2W + 3F + went through "peak Fed".

Unless "went through peak Fed" means additional (imaginary) title, Djokovic is obviously better on 2/3 surfaces.
 
Rafa the King said:
Which match would you choose? This match won't alter the course of history so just one match.
I'd either go for the 2007/2011 Wimbledon finals or the 2012 AO one. I think I'd go for the AO as it would have given Rafa a double career grand slam. What would you choose?
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Close between AO 2014 (rafa deserved to lose to novak in 2012, great match but the result reflected both guys peak on plexi cushion) and w2011.

For me it would be w2011. As great as a double career slam would be im not sure that would have any historical context. U either have a career slam or u don't. However triple wimbledon champions are a select band and it is the holy grail tournament still I would love him to have pulled that match out. Damn djokovic!!!!!
 
punterlad said:
Close between AO 2014 (rafa deserved to lose to novak in 2012, great match but the result reflected both guys peak on plexi cushion) and w2011.

For me it would be w2011. As great as a double career slam would be im not sure that would have any historical context. U either have a career slam or u don't. However triple wimbledon champions are a select band and it is the holy grail tournament still I would love him to have pulled that match out. Damn djokovic!!!!!
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He played so poorly that day, easily his wost GS final :(
 
Rafa the King said:
Which match would you choose? This match won't alter the course of history so just one match.
I'd either go for the 2007/2011 Wimbledon finals or the 2012 AO one. I think I'd go for the AO as it would have given Rafa a double career grand slam. What would you choose?
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I'd want Rafa to have beaten Wawinka in that AO finals. Worst lost of Rafa, as far as I'm concerned
 
Rafa the King said:
Which match would you choose? This match won't alter the course of history so just one match.
I'd either go for the 2007/2011 Wimbledon finals or the 2012 AO one. I think I'd go for the AO as it would have given Rafa a double career grand slam. What would you choose?
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I would have wanted for Rafa to win that AO finals against Wawinka. That's Rafa's most devastating loss, as far as I'm concerned
 
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